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Title: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Atheling on 14 September 2020, 11:12:09 AM
Hi,

I'm seeking the heraldic arms for Godemar I du Fay (d. 1350). He was the gallant chap who was given charge of defending the ford at Blanchetaque where the English army of Edward III (lead by Hugh, Baron Despenser and  William, Earl of Northampton) crossed prior to Cracy 1346.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: aphillathehun on 14 September 2020, 11:27:59 AM

How old was he when he died?  If he's in the army in 1346 and died in 1450 he must have truly been long-lived.....
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Atheling on 14 September 2020, 12:07:40 PM
How old was he when he died?  If he's in the army in 1346 and died in 1450 he must have truly been long-lived.....

If I had to guess it would be the late 14th CE but I have no evidence other then a memory of reading this somewhere...... I could be miles out.
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Dr. Zombie on 14 September 2020, 01:38:50 PM
Well something is wrong with those dates. If he was of fighting age in 1346 there is no way he died in 1450. He would have been more than a hundred years old.
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Atheling on 14 September 2020, 01:45:12 PM
Well something is wrong with those dates. If he was of fighting age in 1346 there is no way he died in 1450. He would have been more than a hundred years old.

Typo- whoops  :D

So, 1350. He escaped the route at Blanchetaque but was seriously wounded.

does anyone have any ideas re: Godemar I du Fay coat of arms?
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Atheling on 14 September 2020, 05:07:59 PM
A friend on Facebook chased his arms down for me.

I checked it was OK to post them so here you go- might be useful should you ever need his arms that is :)

Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: HappyChappy439 on 14 September 2020, 06:02:58 PM
Oh interesting! So, similar to the old-style Valois arms?

Do you know what source your friend used to find the arms? I ended up on a bit of a wild goose chase for what ended up being de Fay arms! (Via a Marguerite de Fay and her husband from the Bouton family)

Her arms look a bit more "Hauteville but with more trimmings" so I was probably way off!

(https://i.imgur.com/swxyYhH.png)
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Atheling on 14 September 2020, 06:11:56 PM
Oh interesting! So, similar to the old-style Valois arms?

Do you know what source your friend used to find the arms?

Yep, it was from Heraldic Sketchbook by Peter Greenhill. I've got his Miniature Knights publication but not the former tome.   
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: bluewillow on 14 September 2020, 11:03:44 PM
I will look tomorrow for you mate

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Atheling on 14 September 2020, 11:26:37 PM
I will look tomorrow for you mate

Cheers
Matt

Cheers Matt, can you check it against the heraldry below please? It's from Heraldic Sketchbook, Peter Greenhill who did a lot of research into the HYW and heraldry, at a time when it was only really academics looking at the subject.
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: bluewillow on 15 September 2020, 08:12:03 AM
I have found three so far, one is the closest, a bit more research and I will report back

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Ingarsby73 on 15 September 2020, 09:31:59 AM
I looked at this thread purely because of the name! I think I might change mine to it. What a guy, what a discussion, and what a great coat of arms.
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: HappyChappy439 on 16 September 2020, 01:52:20 PM
I have found three so far, one is the closest, a bit more research and I will report back


Huh! Is that three Godemar du Fays specifically, or three different du Fay families? I'd definitely be curious to see the other two too, if there's any common geography or family between them!
Title: Re: Godemar I du Fay heraldry?
Post by: Atheling on 16 September 2020, 02:26:12 PM
Huh! Is that three Godemar du Fays specifically, or three different du Fay families? I'd definitely be curious to see the other two too, if there's any common geography or family between them!

Me too (obviously) :)