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Title: WOTR liveries and flags
Post by: Erik on 25 October 2020, 04:42:59 PM

Hello
I have started painting a 10 mm Yorkist army for Bloody Barons, and need some help with the liveries and flags.

First up, I bought a WOTR flag sheet from Pendraken along with my miniatures and I can't figure out who is who  >:(-  . Help, please!
 https://pendraken.co.uk/medieval/flags/

Second I need help with the liveries on the troops. As far as I can tell the Yorkist are all either red and blue or white and blue and the plain red for Warwick. Are there other color combinations for some variety?

Cheers
Erik

Title: Re: WOTR liveries and flags
Post by: HappyChappy439 on 25 October 2020, 06:19:38 PM

Hi! Welcome aboard the WotR train  :D



So with the WOTR flag sheet on the Pendraken site if looks like you've got these flags (listed left-to-right)

First Row:
1. Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland (Lancastrian)
2. John de Vere, Earl of Oxford (Lancastrian)
3. Henry Holland, Duke of Exeter (Lancastrian)

Second Row:
1. Royal Arms, could be used for any of the kings, Yorkist or Lancastrian
2. Henry Bourchier, Earl of Essex (Yorkist)
3. Humphrey Stafford, Duke of Buckingham (Lancastrian)

Third Row:
1. Henry Bourchier, Earl of Essex (Yorkist), again
2. Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury (Yorkist)
3. James Butler, Earl of Ormond/Wiltshire (I think), (Lancastrian) 

Fourth Row:
1. Thomas de Mowbray, Duke of Norfolk (I think), (Yorkist)
2. Not sure about this one, I think it might be a livery banner for Edward IV, but the colours on the fields are backwards if that's the case
3. Thomas Courtenay, Earl of Devon (Lancastrian)

Fifth Row:
1. Edmund Grey, Earl of Kent (Lancastrian, then Yorkist after Northampton)
2. Henry VII's standard
3. Henry VII's standard again
4. Richard III's standard
5. William Neville, Earl of Kent (Fauconberg), (Yorkist)


As a heads up, it looks like a lot of the banners on the Pendraken sheet would be for the earlier period of the WotR (the bottom row has Henry VII and Richard III for Bosworth though)

In terms of livery colours (and badges), just about every noble and knight had their own colour scheme for their retinues, so there's plenty of options if you wanted to have a bunch of different people!

The Vexillia livery colours database might help there, it lists the colours left-to-right for each of the nobles if that helps!
https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/09/war-of-roses-livery-colours-database.html

The Lance and Longbow Society also do a book of the livery colours, standards and badges if you were looking to buy something on the subject too:
https://lanceandlongbow.com/shop.php (It's under Pub-004 on the list here)

The Perry Miniatures plastic WotR infantry box has a few examples of livery coats and badges as well, if that helps!

Title: Re: WOTR liveries and flags
Post by: Hunlion on 25 October 2020, 09:36:02 PM

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Title: Re: WOTR liveries and flags
Post by: Captain Blood on 25 October 2020, 09:43:57 PM

Which is probably this?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113c5_US60TyAHXKXmg7YCR6ezNR4sUcRqkSK31mC_5I/edit?fbclid=IwAR05VDZGAWdHHWVzz6RAI_cd67DokmJArR4dvXZCAObl9PetRmiydCXG1qo#gid=862549219

Very useful :)

Title: Re: WOTR liveries and flags
Post by: Norm on 25 October 2020, 10:39:39 PM

Here is another for surcoats,
https://murreyandblue.wordpress.com/2015/03/16/a-useful-list-of-wars-of-the-roses-livery-colours/

Title: Re: WOTR liveries and flags
Post by: Erik on 26 October 2020, 07:37:46 AM

Thanks alot for all the help. This WOTR livery is something of a jungle to me.


Cheers
Erik

Title: Re: WOTR liveries and flags
Post by: levied troop on 26 October 2020, 07:43:13 AM

Don’t worry, it is to everybody :)