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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Terrible Tim on 31 August 2009, 03:16:40 AM
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Is anyone going to buy the new Spacehulk? I probably will, even though it is $165 (Australia). I believe it is the same rules with new minis, tiles etc.
I was hoping to buy it through Maelstrom games (cheaper than GW), but they have not listed it or I just can not find it on their site (they also have not responded to an email).
TT.
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I believe it's a Mail Order only thing so you can only order it directly from GW (please correct me if I'm wrong). I have the 2nd edition so I'm passing this one up. Though the rules can't be completely the same as there are lots of new weapons in this set compared to 2nd ed. (lightning claws, assault cannon, thunder hammer, and of course a librarian and a broodlord).
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They will be available this weekend at most hobby stores in the US, or at least those that ordered them. MY LGS is getting 30 copies, and 23 have been accounted for already. They also received a store copy a week ago. The terminator miniatures are simply amazing! I will be getting at least 3 copies (yes, I know, I have a sickness!) The rules look very similar to the earlier editions. The map tiles and counters are outstanding.
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Probably cheaper to buy a used version of Ebay...The price on that "limited run" is out and out robbery, considering there will be absoultly no offical support for the game.
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Have second edition , having seen a copy at GW shop , think it is worth the money , nice figs, beautiful embossed card scenery , good "game in a box" so will probably get the new addition. :)
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From what I read, this edition is more closely based on 1st Ed rather than 2nd Ed.
The figs are very nice, and the card pices look good too. But it is quite pricey. I guess the company that shall not be named is thinking that 40k players, especially BA and tyrannid players, will just pick it up anyway.
And many of us will. Me too, cashflow permitting, my Blood Angels need some funky Terminators...
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if this was priced somewhat reasonably, I'd get it, but now...
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What's the Euro price for it? Is there a way of using currency fluctuations to get a better price (either UK to Eurozone, or the other way round)?
It 'should' be about E75 (sorry, can't seem to get my Euro sign to work) if it's £60, I reckon.
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Maelstrom had it up for pre-order for a while, but they only had limited 'stock', (many retailers have only been able to order 10-15 copies) so it disappeared pretty quickly.
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It is something I havent played for many a year and if I were to get back into it I would personally wait for the old versions to pop back up on e-bay, I bet they will come thick and fast from the old diehards otr those trying to cash in :D
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I saw a copy in the Oxford St GW the other day and thought the Genestealers were a bit of a cop-out. The are moulded in two parts horizontally across the head, so not very easy to use for conversions etc. The termies looked quite nice though.
cheers
James
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What's the Euro price for it? Is there a way of using currency fluctuations to get a better price (either UK to Eurozone, or the other way round)?
It 'should' be about E75 (sorry, can't seem to get my Euro sign to work) if it's £60, I reckon.
I think the official euro price is €78, about 10 euros more than the equivalent of 60 quid (which is €68.14 at the moment). I think the game is pretty good value, the card pieces seem high quality (like Fantasy Flight Games) and the equivalent models for 40k would be more expensive than this boxed set. So basically I think it's a lot of money for a good quality miniatures board game. Even though I'm not getting it some friends are and of course I want give this edition a spin. 8)
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I think the price is pretty competitive with other board games when you consider what you get. Has anyone checked the price of high-end board games lately? All of those wonderful components cost money. Also, Space Hulk is not a game that needs a lot of support. You can get hundreds of hours of play out of one set, or by combining 2 sets. Anyway, I don't think the price is unreasonable, and this bears out when you look at the anecdotal evidence. My FLGS ordered 20 copies and pre-sold all 20.
Now getting a second batch is iffy. Is a $100 a significant sum? Yes. But having seen the components, you get what you pay for. And oh yes, the timer is back!
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AT £65 bucks for 30 minis thats roughly the same price as their normal figure sets.
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its 35 minis.
and despite the fact that the Genestealers are carting around bits of bulkhead on their bases (all integral scenic)
you are still getting a good deal from it.
Probably cheaper to buy a used version of Ebay...The price on that "limited run" is out and out robbery
Considering that there are 11 Terminators (priced at £25 for 5 plastics on their own)
1 Terminator librarian (£12 for the metal equivalent, but as an alternative plastic sculpt)
22 Genestealers (£15 for a box of 8 plastics)
+ 1 Broodlord (again £12 for the metal equivalent, but as an alternative plastic sculpt)
plus the rulebooks and the dice and the board
if GW were going by their normal pricing methods, they could charge double and still have these figures cheaper as part of this box.
the fact that they are selling this for less than half of what they normally would charge shows they are doing this one for the fans i think.
Plus they are undercutting what 2nd ed tends to go for on the bay.
and from what i have seen at my local GW, it is basically 1st ed with more weapons and a few rules tweaks
considering there will be absoultly no offical support for the game.
What support do you want? its a board game, and an errata version of 1st ed at that
also, if you want more missions, i'm sure that White Dwarf will be publishing more rules to add stuff into the game over the coming months. plus, the fan support will be impressive too.
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Told they are going like "hot cakes" ! ordered my set !! ( told the missus it was an early Christmas present to myself ! ( I married a long-suffering angel!) !) :D
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Sorely tempted, but I've got 1st edition and £60 will buy quite a bit towards my projects.
As for (lack of) support, check out the various links I've posted over on Frothers for missions etc, although I have to agree that supplements for 3rd edition would have been nice.
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I got mine in the post last night!
Very excited.
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And oh yes, the timer is back!
Speaking of the timer, I got mine yesterday and promptly lost the timer. Any idea how long it is so I can find a replacement or just use a stopwatch?
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I don't know how long the timer is. Hopefully some kind soul will come along and answer. Once you know, maybe you can scavenge one from an old board game?
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Reading in my copy of the publication named like a colourless short man, it says the timer is 3 minutes. As they claim to stick to the 1st edition rules, I checked with them as well and can confirm it.
Hope this helps...
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Yes it does. Thanks.
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Yes it does. Thanks.
http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/SANDTIMERS.html (http://www.em4miniatures.com/acatalog/SANDTIMERS.html)
Three minute timer £1.
Go and see Doug!
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Speaking of the timer, I got mine yesterday and promptly lost the timer. Any idea how long it is so I can find a replacement or just use a stopwatch?
This Flash timer (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/42038) designed by a fan for the game is great (if you are the kind of gamer who has their laptop nearby when playing).
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My brother has ordered a copy as an early Xmas present for himself.
This has always been one of his favourite games.
It has saved me a fortune. :D
I do have him well trained. lol
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I convinced my wife that "Space Hulk" would make the perfect present for my birthday; 7th October if anyone is asking :).
It arrived this morning. Didn't get a chance to open at it though, before my wife snatched it away, but boy, it sure is heavy... that's the boxed game NOT the wife, obviously!
The latest issue of "White Dwarf" carries some inspiring photographs of the game and the figures. The Genestealer tearing its way through the floor might not be easy to incorporate into normal gameplay, (even though it looks like an excellent figure). But I'm planning to create a double level game by adding in various other wall sections etc., that I've accumulated over the years, so the 'ripping through' genestealer will make an excellent marker to signify a break through point from another level.
I've also got loads of old printed circuit boards and pc bits and pieces which I think could be used to create some very interesting additional technological areas or objectives for the game. Hot wax the pieces to foamboard. Matt black undercoat, Gunmetal dry brush and pick out specific details in colour.
Now, can I afford to buy ANOTHER set........?
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this was taken from GW's website yesterday.
"This morning we emptied the UK warehouse of English language copies of Space Hulk. All the copies that haven't been advance ordered have just rolled past the window in lorries bound for Games Workshop Hobby Centres and Independent Stockists around the UK. That means the only way you can get a copy of Space Hulk is to be at your local Games Workshop this Saturday morning. I've checked the weather report and Saturday is supposed to be warm and sunny- so the good news is you won't need a raincoat for the inevitable queues."
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Yeah. By the time the money went through to my credit card (it was maxed so I had to put some life-blood init) there was no more available. Got mine really nice an early from the local shop. Being a good sport and general all-around help/friend does have its benefits. :)
That box was a tad heavy. But slightly less so after all the unnecessary compacted card and empty sprue was displaced. I don't remember the original too well, but I think they kept some of the stuff from later additions for this one. Someone who still owns theirs can tell me otherwise though if they want to.
Also, I noticed one of the genestealer poses is missing an arm despite having the shoulder visible where the other arm isn't obscuring it. Designer over-look? Who knows, but I will be fixing it when I get around to the assembly. And any of you gents missing a hand from your 'stealers? I'm not but it seems GW has given me a hand... Literally lol.
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Got mine on Saturday. Impressive collection of card and plastic. Quite a change from 1st Edition!
Bako - never noticed the missing arm! Didn't some of the Hybrids have only three arms? Shouldn't show up on a Purestrain, though, I would think.
Couple of observations...
What's with that horrible plastic coming out of Britain these days? Cuts nicely but it's a beggar to scrape or file due to its relative softness. Large sprue attachments will often spall into larger 'holes' when removed, too. I ended up with a gash almost 3/8'' long and 1/16'' deep when I tried to remove one on my GW Valkyrie. Had to fix it in place with glue before filling it with putty.
While most of the figures are superb examples of sculpting and ingenious assembly, too many of them are 'models' rather than gaming pieces. Other than the Librarian, the Marines are generally suitable, with flat bases, but nearly 2/3 of the Genestealers have dioramic elements on their bases. Look great when painted as miniatures but rather silly hopping around the board attached to a pillar or pile of skulls!
A minor point but since I'm not quite up on the timeline of changes in armour styles, I'm not sure whether the 600 year old armour of the dead Marine is concurrent with that of the rest of the figures but I would have liked it better if it was a slightly older Mark.
Finally, although I'm very impressed with the details on the Marine models, I'm slightly disappointed with the fact that, without major conversion, you're limited to painting them as Blood Angels. I've never been a fan of red armour and, besides, their geneseed is tainted, unlike that of my Ultramarines! ;)
Nice product, overall.
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I dont know what the dead mariine looks like, but there havent been that many changes to Terminator armor in the history of the Imperium. In fact I think there have only been 3 04 styles, compared to the 8 marks of regular power armor.
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You're right. Never considered the fact that it's Terminator armour rather than regular Marine armour.
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Bako - never noticed the missing arm! Didn't some of the Hybrids have only three arms? Shouldn't show up on a Purestrain, though, I would think.
No no this is a pure strain (obviously), you'll have to look at yours. There is a pose which you can clearly see the shoulder and a little bit more of the one arm, but the rest isn't there at all. It doesn't matter too much to me, I have spare arms kicking about my bits boxes that I could use. They are nice miniatures, but I would prefer some normal posed 'stealers for playing with, the more interesting ones will probably be given a base make-over for my normal 'nids to play with.
Not too fond of the Blood Angels myself, or space marines in general, but I'm sure these'll be nice for some painting practice or something. The dead termy is by far my favorite space marine model to date, well besides the metal space marine casualties.
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Got plenty of extra arms, myself. Any idea how these sculpts compare with the latest version of Genestealers, appearance-wise? I've only got Space Hulk versions with which to compare.
As an aside, I'm glad they went back to the original blue/purple colour scheme. I detest the new 'nid colours they're using nowadays, especially that pink/white abomination on the 'stealers.
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Never really played many games but could someone play this game without having any knowledge off the GW world, as a stand alone type game? Thanks
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Space Hulk is a stand alone game, though with some work you could make it part of the main 40k game it is designed to be a seperate game.
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Space Hulk is a stand alone game, though with some work you could make it part of the main 40k game it is designed to be a seperate game.
Yes. Indeed, there was an article on the GW page how to play games in Space Hulks, using the 40k rules (can't remember how this was called, but I think it was with the 4th edition, where they brought rules for battles involving only elite squads or characters). And you can also check upon the "Anphelion Project" for similar scenarios.
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Got plenty of extra arms, myself. Any idea how these sculpts compare with the latest version of Genestealers, appearance-wise? I've only got Space Hulk versions with which to compare.
As I see it, the design of the Genestealers only changed with the release of the "Battle for Macragge" set and the appropriate codex. Compared to the new design, the Space Hulk 1st and 2nd ed. Genestealer arms look rather crude. The size seems to fit, though, so you might give it a try. I can do some comparison shots, if you like...
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Yes. Indeed, there was an article on the GW page how to play games in Space Hulks, using the 40k rules (can't remember how this was called, but I think it was with the 4th edition, where they brought rules for battles involving only elite squads or characters). And you can also check upon the "Anphelion Project" for similar scenarios.
Combat patrol?
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Yes, this seems likely. In german, it was called Einsatzkommandos, so it fits
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I cant seem to find the artical about useing 4th ed rules in space hulk, would you happen to have a link?
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I'd happily provide a link, but I'm afraid it's no longer available. It seems that it has been removed when GW redesigned their website.
Edit: I found a link, but it's to the old german site. I've been unable to locate the English site so far
http://web.archive.org/web/20061027141546/www.games-workshop.de/warhammer40000/innomine/rules/spacehulk/index.shtm (http://web.archive.org/web/20061027141546/www.games-workshop.de/warhammer40000/innomine/rules/spacehulk/index.shtm)
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Got plenty of extra arms, myself. Any idea how these sculpts compare with the latest version of Genestealers, appearance-wise? I've only got Space Hulk versions with which to compare.
They sit nicely beside the current design for genestealers, though with some more dynamic poses. And different-ish tongues and some have some extra 'spiny' bits protruding from them.
Edit: I found a link, but it's to the old german site. I've been unable to locate the English site so far
http://web.archive.org/web/20061027141546/www.games-workshop.de/warhammer40000/innomine/rules/spacehulk/index.shtm (http://web.archive.org/web/20061027141546/www.games-workshop.de/warhammer40000/innomine/rules/spacehulk/index.shtm)
I really dislike how GW dropped a lot of their older articles when they revamped their website. Some of those were excellent. Thanks for the link, I didn't know they kept this stuff archived.
Interesting, that site won't let me navigate with the translator active, but will if it's not. Not that I really need it anyhoo, generally I can read it better than the translations.
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Glory to the Omnissiah!
Here's the link to the English version
http://web.archive.org/web/20060616152122/http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/space-hulk/1/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20060616152122/http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/space-hulk/1/)
Knowledge is power, guard it well! ;)
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If you'd like to have a go against 'stealers with other than Space Marines, search for the Space Hulk Bible. It contains extra stats for using Imperial Guard or Eldar forces to fight the beasts, with a brief look at bringing on some 'nids to back them up.
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Glory to the Omnissiah!
Here's the link to the English version
http://web.archive.org/web/20060616152122/http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/space-hulk/1/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20060616152122/http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/space-hulk/1/)
Knowledge is power, guard it well! ;)
Oh thank you! Funny how the website requests I download the latest version of FireFox when I do, but I can only imagine how old this 'latest version' they speak of is.
Yes the Space Hulk Bible is nice. I've not looked at it in a while though.
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You can also find rules for hulk-like scenery here:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/ia41.htm (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/ia41.htm)