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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: Otto on August 31, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
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Hello
Does anyone make 28mm ww1 german naval troops, Seebatallion and sailors with the backpacks?.
Thanks Otto
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The only suggestion I can make is the German Sailors in hat from Brigade Games. Sorry no backpack, but are quite useful troops for all fronts.
Helen
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The Seebataillon uniform in the Great War on the western front (and China) is not identical, but similar to the Jäger uniform. Both Great War Miniatures and Renegade do Jäger figures. A bit of work on the cuffs and turn the puttees into boots with putty and you have something resembling Seebataillon.
Sorry, that's the best I can do.
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The Seebataillon uniform in the Great War on the western front (and China) is not identical, but similar to the Jäger uniform. Both Great War Miniatures and Renegade do Jäger figures. A bit of work on the cuffs and turn the puttees into boots with putty and you have something resembling Seebataillon.
Sorry, that's the best I can do.
I thought the wore a type of helmet similar to the British Foreign service helmet in China?
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They may have done, but the only photos I have seen of them at Tsingtao show them in their Shakos or peakless caps, just like on the Western Front. The siege of Tsingtao was in October and November, and the German Naval troops all wore their winter gear.
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Foundry has some WW1 (and franco-prussian war) jaegers.
ironclad has some earlier jaeger, too.
A good reference site is:
http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/index.htm
&
http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/seebatallionepeacetime.htm
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The reason I ask is that the wore the foreign service type during the Boxer rebellion and Bob Murch has them in the same helmet for the Interwar period. Did they temporarily change headgear or was it dependent on the theatre they were in?
Edit:@Arg:Yes, that site has them in the helmet too.
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Dependant on theatre and time of year. The familar khaki outfit with sun helmet was the tropical/summer uniform. I don't think Tsingtao has a tropical climate, so they would have only worn that in the summer.
Check out this page for what they wore during the siege:
http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/seebatallionelitewkas.htm (http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/seebatallionelitewkas.htm)
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Cheers.
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I don't think Bob Murch's figures are inter-war. As far as I know there were no more Seebataillon after the end of the Great War.
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The reason I ask is that the wore the foreign service type during the Boxer rebellion and Bob Murch has them in the same helmet for the Interwar period. Did they temporarily change headgear or was it dependent on the theatre they were in?
Edit:@Arg:Yes, that site has them in the helmet too.
I doubt if seebatallion existed during interwar!
I don't think Bob Murch's figures are inter-war. As far as I know there were no more Seebataillon after the end of the Great War.
Quite so Plynkes!
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I don't think Bob Murch's figures are inter-war. As far as I know there were no more Seebataillon after the end of the Great War.
I had that feeling as they are an exact match for the ones in the Osprey Boxer rebellion book.
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Some pics of Seebataillon troops in China...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Bundesarchiv_Bild_116-214-092C_Chin.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Bundesarchiv_Bild_116-214-102C_Chin.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Bundesarchiv_Bild_116-214-122C_Chin.jpg)
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Although not an official state army, contrary to our knowledge, some seebatallion survived during 1919 at least, since they formed a Freikorps.
I found this very interesting thread in axis history forum:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=96819&sid=a95ad02ce4112bee4ac4ffb1bc24ef62
this opens a total new possibility, i.e. surviving seebatallions during interwar era or better use of them in Pulp era and settings!
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Great minds think alike!
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=12970.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=12970.0)
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I used the Renegade Jagers to make some Seebatallion for my VSF Prussians.
(http://www.rotanddrivel.com/seebatallion.jpg)
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A couple more pictures from greatwardifferent.com:
Flanders:
http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Der_Krieg/Der%20Krieg%20-%20003.jpg
Tsingtao:
http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Tsing_Tao/Tsing_Tao_20.jpg
I was thinking of painting up some jagers as Tsingtao Seebatallion soldiers but I've got a big enough lead pile as it is without adding a load of Jagers to it (don't know if you can get the right Japanese anyway).
edit: deleted what had already been posted earlier in thread.
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Eh? What are we, chopped liver?
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Just realised everything I posted had already been posted earlier on. Apologies Plynkes, you are not chopped liver and I must read threads properly in future (I was half asleep).
Must look like a bit of an idiot now. It wouldn't be the first time, though.
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soory about this resurection,
but Bob Murch's Pulp Seebattalion figures have been on my mind a bit, partly because a friend has some and I like them.
What do these figures represent in terms of period etc...
as while this thread is informative it has confused me a bit :D
cheers for the help ;)
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Well those rifles they are carrying look as if they're trying to be G98s (though they don't look quite right to me), which would mean 1897ish onwards. So Boxer Rebellion and African Colonial business (German Southwest 1904-1908: Herero and Nama revolts, German East 1905-1906: Maji-Maji Revolt).
They fought in the Great War, but I'm not aware of them wearing that particular tropical/summer uniform while doing so.
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Well those rifles they are carrying look as if they're trying to be G98s (though they don't look quite right to me), which would mean 1897ish onwards. So Boxer Rebellion and African Colonial business (German Southwest 1904-1908: Herero and Nama revolts, German East 1905-1906: Maji-Maji Revolt).
They fought in the Great War, but I'm not aware of them wearing that particular tropical/summer uniform while doing so.
Thanks Plynkes
That makes them quite niche then, I just liked the look of them for a short jump in a back of beyond campaign sort of thing
dodge
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I'm sure Bob Murch just had them in mind as Jerry antagonists for lantern-jawed heroes to fight in Pulp games, where nobody is too bothered as to what the date is or whether Germany currently has a Kaiser or a President.
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there were some colourplates somewhere in the net with the seebattaillon uniform
I'll have to find them again
http://www.marine-infanterie.de/
http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/tsingtao%20III%20seebatallion%20summer.htm
http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/militaria/seebat%20dark%20blue%20uniform.htm
http://www.historischer-bilderdienst.de/images/kontaktabzugu110.jpg
http://www.uniformfotos.de/marine.html
there was basically a blue service dress and the khaki service dress
the headgear depended on where they were used
1st and 2nd battallion were always stationed in germany, 3rd was specially formed for tsingtao, and detachments of the first two were occasionally used abroad, eg for the boxer rebellion
pith helmets or hats in africa, I posted somewehere a picture of 3rd battaillon cavalry squadron in tsingtao with covered pickelhaube
here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seebatallione
I don't know what the special formed navy infantry divisions wore in northern france
I hope I could help
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I'm sure Bob Murch just had them in mind as Jerry antagonists for lantern-jawed heroes to fight in Pulp games, where nobody is too bothered as to what the date is or whether Germany currently has a Kaiser or a President.
I expect you're right there thanks for your thoughts
dodge
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there were some colourplates somewhere in the net with the seebattaillon uniform
I'll have to find them again
http://www.marine-infanterie.de/
http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/tsingtao%20III%20seebatallion%20summer.htm
http://www.sacktrick.com/igu/germancolonialuniforms/militaria/seebat%20dark%20blue%20uniform.htm
http://www.historischer-bilderdienst.de/images/kontaktabzugu110.jpg
http://www.uniformfotos.de/marine.html
there was basically a blue service dress and the khaki service dress
the headgear depended on where they were used
1st and 2nd battallion were always stationed in germany, 3rd was specially formed for tsingtao, and detachments of the first two were occasionally used abroad, eg for the boxer rebellion
pith helmets or hats in africa, I posted somewehere a picture of 3rd battaillon cavalry squadron in tsingtao with covered pickelhaube
here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seebatallione
I don't know what the special formed navy infantry divisions wore in northern france
I hope I could help
Lots of good information there
tahnks
dodge
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I've found some more pictures of German Naval uniforms and this time the pictures haven't been posted before ;D(although other pictures of the same things have). They have a whole load of them on grosse-generalstab.de. They also have a lot of pictures of colonial troops as well.
http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/waldorf/wd201.html
A (very) small selection of the pictures:
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/AdamfromLancashire/wa2_042.jpg)
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/AdamfromLancashire/wa2_043.jpg)
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/AdamfromLancashire/wa2_055.jpg)
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/AdamfromLancashire/wa2_056.jpg)
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/AdamfromLancashire/wa2_081.jpg)
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/AdamfromLancashire/wa2_082.jpg) ;D
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Excellent. I have those askari pictures on my hard drive pinched from somewhere, but I haven't seen the others before. They look a bit like cigarette cards to me. I had millions of British ones like that dating from way back when I was a kid, but they were lost in a fire. :'(