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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Radar on 03 April 2021, 12:45:07 PM
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Very annoying, can't find the references, they're here somewhere. Must have put them somewhere 'safe' so I don't lose them.
Can anyone help me with the reference to the NMA ordering musketeer bandoliers where it specifies "blue chargers" on blue and white string? Also the NMA being issued "grey stockings or other good colour"?
Thanks in anticipation
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My post here might be of some assistance:
https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=130565.0 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=130565.0)
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Thanks Atheling but alas not. Both of the NMA Helion volumes are well researched, expansive, officer lists with only a little commentary. Nor does Frith's two volumes cover equipment.
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Thanks Atheling but alas not. Both of the NMA Helion volumes are well researched, expansive, officer lists with only a little commentary. Nor does Frith's two volumes cover equipment.
Ah, sorry about that.
I can't really comment as to the composition of the regiments of foot as I have only read two books on the ECW and they were both general military histories! :)
I do have the Philip J. Haythornthwait's The English Civil War, 1642-1651: An Illustrated Military History too but have yet to get around to reading it. TBH, it is quite low down on my reading list.
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Haythornthwaite - great book, lovely pictures. good inspiration, but take most of it with a pinch of salt. It's showing it's age. And not in a good way.
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I was just today introduced to Cromwell's War Machine by Keith Roberts which seems full of good information.
The blue bandoleers I've only heard in reference to Okey's Dragoons, which is how I've painted/am painting them.
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There's also some information on the NMA in the Osprey Naseby Campaign book.
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Thanks. the Ospreys are a little light on references though.
I have found the 'blue chargers on blue and white string' reference - it was NMA contract for supply in 1645, quoted (but not referenced in Keith Dowen's Royal Armouries book on the Civil war)
So just the stockings reference outstanding, if anyone can help?
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Brasseys English Civil War has the reference to the ' blew boxes...on blew and white string...
can be found on page 90. No source for this reference is given.
Also it has stockings of ' Welsh cotton' being ordered. IIRC, the 'grey or other good colour' refers to breeches for the NMA.
EDIT: I've managed to find the reference to ' gray stockings on p 60 of Stuart Peachey's excellent 'The Soldiers Life in the English Civil War'. It also states that early NMA stockings were 'Irish stockings' which it is speculated, were probably made from freize.
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Thanks westwaller, I really should get around to buying a copy of Brassey. I know of the original breeches reference ('grey or ...'), I was under the belief that there was also a 'grey or other good colour' reference to stockings. I could well be conflating a number of references and making up nonsense.
Edit: clearly the Alzheimer's hasn't got me yet. Many thanks Westwaller. Much appreciated.
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Just a question: isn't frieze (or frize) a specific treatment of linen (or other cloth) and not necessarily a colour?
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From the descriptions in Andrew Abram's "More Like Lions Than Men" I get the impression that it was a particular weight/weave of cloth explicitly used for winter clothing. Kerridge: "had a hard rough feel... best suited to winter gowns and rough overcoating, but were also used for doublets and jerkins". Fuller writing in 1660s "a coarse kind of cloth, than which none warmer to be worn in winter". AA mentions frieze being used to make winter riding coats for Brereton's horse.
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Just a question: isn't frieze (or frize) a specific treatment of linen (or other cloth) and not necessarily a colour?]
That is right it is a cheaper cloth associated with work clothes from what I have read. The NMA stockings are thought to have been made from undyed frieze ( which iirc is a type of rough woollen cloth) shown as a dark grey/brown colour. There do seem to have been different qualities of frieze possibly explaining why the gentry seem to have sometimes owned frieze winter coats.
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New Model army contract for bandoleer bottles. Very few contracts actually survive, so it is not a guarantee that all NMA bandoleers were blue.
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New Model Army contract for clothing.
Transcriptions of contracts for the supply of equipment to the New Model Army in 1645. Compiled by Gerald Mungeam
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Thank you Merlon.
Now where's the 'doffs cap' gif when you need it?