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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: giorgio on 21 May 2021, 08:10:27 AM
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Dear all, Newline Bengal Lancers (seems they are Sikh) are well mixable with Foundry?
by the way, are Sikh infantry vs Foundry ones too? Thanks
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Foundry all the way. For both. Easily. I usually wait until their X-mas sale and order in bulk to get the 25% off bonus.
Newline Designs are alright but compared to the Foundry Perry sculpts, well, there is a huge difference between the quality of workmanship IMHO.
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Probably Giorgio is most interested about comparison dimensions, I red an article here on LAF stating there is compatiblility...
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Thanks both of you. I read the article too but it was limited to infantry. I'm curious about cavalry too.
Can someone please pst some pictures of Sikh Newline because are missing in their sites.
Thanks for X mas discount suggestion ;)
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Atheling thanks but it seems Foundry makes only muslim, not Sikh lancers
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Atheling thanks but it seems Foundry makes only muslim, not Sikh lancers
Good point. What time period are you looking at?
If it's the Indian Mutiny/First War of Independence the Iron Duke Miniatures range might be worth a look?
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2AW up to end of century (Tirah etc.). My RAI are Foundry, afghan Foundry and plastic Perry
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If it's the Indian Mutiny/First War of Independence the Iron Duke Miniatures range might be worth a look?
But Hick's sculpts for Iron Duke are really big, and won't work well with the older Foundry range.
If your after Sikh Lancers, why not just do a head swap, as that is pretty much what is needed. You can get Sikh heads from the Perry's WW2 range and also find them in Warlords' WW2 British 8th Army (Colonial) box of plastics. I use these Sikh and Indian heads for all sorts of conversions, for both the Sikh Wars and Indian Mutiny periods. :)
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You can get Sikh heads from the Perry's WW2 range and also find them in Warlords' WW2 British 8th Army (Colonial) box of plastics. I use these Sikh and Indian heads for all sorts of conversions, for both the Sikh Wars and Indian Mutiny periods. :)
Now that’s a good idea!
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Giorgio, I don't know exactly what period you are looking for but maybe the Indian cavalry sold by Mutineer Miniatures in their Indian mutiny range would do the job? They produce a variety of cavalry types which are probably suitable for both later and earlier than the 1850s.
Regards
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Thank you for suggestions, SJWi I'm interested mainly in defeating Umra Khan 's rebels ;) let me be serious: as I wrote beforemainly 2nd Afghan War up to end of century
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Thank you for suggestions, SJWi I'm interested mainly in defeating Umra Khan 's rebels ;)
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Hi all can someone post a comparison picture between Foundry and Artizan Design? If possible both infantry and cavalry with horses...
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Giorgio, here's a group comparison pic with Foundry and Artizan foot figures included:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N26liPVNI7I/Wu4gN5hgbMI/AAAAAAAAR9s/fA-L1SQn16wn9iGxyWejRiW9Of74s4ZYgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_5785.JPG)
Here's a LINK to the blog post I got the above pic from, which includes several more similar photos:
https://maiwandday.blogspot.com/2018/05/figure-comparison-pics.html (https://maiwandday.blogspot.com/2018/05/figure-comparison-pics.html)
Unfortunately I don't own any Artizan cavalry, so unable to help on that front, but I'm sure the Artizan figures are larger.
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Giorgio: I still don't have any Artizan cavalry, but got inspired to put some painted Foundry & Artizan figures of the same sort together and take some pics, ostensibly to help you out but just as much because it's been way too long since I've had them out on the table, so thanks for the opportunity and here's a few more comparison pics...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nitYDac3k4Q/YLr3e15nQ5I/AAAAAAAAVUQ/BZYvGK9Cif0xgqXP1VWjkzwLv29mJ0IHwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/IMG_7288.HEIC)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a1cXmqHc0UI/YLr3nexYSkI/AAAAAAAAVVY/s5VvQYEWlswVdi4FbhpX5hk_VpV0zWHgQCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/IMG_7313.HEIC)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SauO5NRqf7k/YLr3n0SiyrI/AAAAAAAAVVc/t2xTVlFNMEkunZQ6O11oGlXPV9QwQ_pagCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/IMG_7314.HEIC)
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Thank you, funny before posting I check in your blog on Maiwand but...I did not find it :o, Very kind of you, I'm looking forward horses comparison. On Perry, according your picture, there is a big difference beteween Perry and Foundry horses... I do agree with you these are overpriced and grouped in blisters sometime not very helpful...but they are outstanding quality! Do you have also Artizan Afghans? Have you heard about plastic Afghan cavalry by Wargames Atlantic?
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Dear Giorgio
If you really like Foundry NWF like I do ..just stick to it…with just an head swap you could also have Sikh troopers ..spare Sikh heads from woodbine or Perry ww2 are on the slim side so absolutely compatible with the classic foundry (which indeed had big heads as concern figure proportion which are small for toda’s syandards )..as for your question about compability between newline designs and WF the answer is yes ..they are compatible..sorry for the moment I’m not able to post a picture cause my metal boxes full of unpainted colonials are in the cellar which is among a cloud of dust and a crazy mess as I’m having made some shelves ecc to store my too big wargame collections..in my imperial NWF army I have a mounted force made out of 1 quadron or basic unit in TSATF therms (12 castings) of Wargame Foundry Bengal /Indian Lancers in campaign dress , 1 of sword/carbine armed mounted Guides by Old Glory and 1 last squadron of Bengal Lancer in attention pose with upright lances by Conoisseur (a kind present from your foe Umrah Khan 😏😏🙂) that ll paint as the iconic toy soldier type “skinner horse”..all the 3 units from those above mentioned manufactures are perfectly compatible even if in different units..the Newlines are of similar design/proportions ..unfortunately Artizan are bigger, Perry different style and taller …as concern Wargame Atlantic Afghan cavalry if you ll use the options for regular Amir’s Afghan red or brown clad cavalrymen they could be useful but I guess that, contrary to our friend and expert Mad Guru, you re building an army and gaming NWF punitive exepeditions and not the Second Afghan War..and from what I read there is not a single evidence of a Pathan or Mashud or Afridi mounted unit fighting the Anglo-Indian columns …so even if interesting the NWF mounted tribesmen are useful only for a polo match or in support of Rambo 🙂
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Thanks! My real problem is that I follow the malicious counselling of the perfidous Umra... This morning we were discussing about the absolute need of mules for my future artillery for my Raj. I'm thinking to Askaris... An alternative could be Old Glory... For artillery I'm thinking to Foundry Sikh plus an officer in Poshteen that I already have, Problem with FOundry is that are blistered in a very strange way, not very effective...
I have read your comments about Umra, please take care before congratulating him for my future fortress,,, lol
DO you have mules / logistics...?
p.s. Mad Guru was totally right. I told him 2AW but you are right as it is more a matter of punitive expeditions and not regular battles. Not another Maiwand lol
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The perfidous Umra ...please dont forget is a Khan,
Has always a good thought for you ,poor Wazir.
And already dispenses a good advice to you , poor Wazir.
So don't look any longer for Pathan's cavalry, as stated by Italwars too, and don't paint Pathan's turbans green or pink or violet...and next time before pronouncing my name wash your mouth and clean your ...apple
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Dear Giorgio
If you really like Foundry NWF like I do ..just stick to it…with just an head swap you could also have Sikh troopers ..spare Sikh heads from woodbine or Perry ww2 are on the slim side so absolutely compatible with the classic foundry (which indeed had big heads as concern figure proportion which are small for toda’s syandards )..as for your question about compability between newline designs and WF the answer is yes ..they are compatible..sorry for the moment I’m not able to post a picture cause my metal boxes full of unpainted colonials are in the cellar which is among a cloud of dust and a crazy mess as I’m having made some shelves ecc to store my too big wargame collections..in my imperial NWF army I have a mounted force made out of 1 quadron or basic unit in TSATF therms (12 castings) of Wargame Foundry Bengal /Indian Lancers in campaign dress , 1 of sword/carbine armed mounted Guides by Old Glory and 1 last squadron of Bengal Lancer in attention pose with upright lances by Conoisseur (a kind present from your foe Umrah Khan 😏😏🙂) that ll paint as the iconic toy soldier type “skinner horse”..all the 3 units from those above mentioned manufactures are perfectly compatible even if in different units..the Newlines are of similar design/proportions ..unfortunately Artizan are bigger, Perry different style and taller …as concern Wargame Atlantic Afghan cavalry if you ll use the options for regular Amir’s Afghan red or brown clad cavalrymen they could be useful but I guess that, contrary to our friend and expert Mad Guru, you re building an army and gaming NWF punitive exepeditions and not the Second Afghan War..and from what I read there is not a single evidence of a Pathan or Mashud or Afridi mounted unit fighting the Anglo-Indian columns …so even if interesting the NWF mounted tribesmen are useful only for a polo match or in support of Rambo 🙂
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I don't like how Old Glory has organized his pack mules.
The screwgun where divided in 2 pieces, barrell and breech,
Another mule for the wheels, and a 4th mule for gun carriage.
Other mules for powder and projectiles.
The Askari miniatures set is well made.
I think a good wargame compromise is 1 mule for the gun. 1 for the wheels, 1 for gun carriage and 1 for ammunition, so 4 mules and 4 mulateers.
I have the Connoisseurs mulateers, Old Ral Partha artillerymen and Willie Suren gun crew, as gun servants I use the wargames Foundry Indian artillery crew,.
My 2 cents.
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It seems the winner is Askari!
https://askari-minis.com/images/A-1-M-3p.jpg
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Giorgio,
RE: mules for artillery transport, I highly recommend pack in Old Glory NWF range, which contains 6 mules carrying various screw-gun loads as well as multiple uniformed muleteers, samples of which can be seen in the 2 pics below, from the 1880 Battle of Kandahar game I ran last August. The size of figures in the Old Glory NWF range fits very well with those old Wargames Foundry colonials you -- and I, and so many others -- love so much:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OI1el8O_e6Q/X0SebizpccI/AAAAAAAAU_c/OKTQfwkgK6wtZpQHNk8e_iSPJF62alikwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_0527.HEIC)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9xDUnqp4xxo/X1Vbe4oTeaI/AAAAAAAAVK4/qh2L6SLmBZE4pTMHnRq1goYEnr0aIpntQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/a4e630ad-2bcc-47af-8c54-ea541dca90c7.jpg)
RE: Irregular tribal cavalry on the NWF... as far as I know, Italwars is absolutely right. I have also never read about mounted tribesmen engaging in battle with Anglo-Indian forces on the frontier. However, during the Second Afghan War, a significant portion of Afghan cavalry did consist of irregular tribesmen, in addition to the remainder made up of uniformed regulars. This was the case at both Maiwand and Kandahar. RE: Wargames Atlantic's plastic Afghans, I tried hard to track down their "Afghan Warriors" infantry when they were first released here in the USA, but failed. I know they announced a future set of cavalry also, but I didn't know those figures had actually been released. I will have to Google around for a look at them. These are indeed boon times for we 19th Century Afghan Wars and NWF colonial gamers!
EDIT: It seems Umra Khan commented while I was in the midst of writing my own comment, and he disagrees with my vote for the Old Glory screw-gun Mule Team. No worries, different strokes for different folks! I have a few Tiger Miniatures figures in my collection as well, and no doubt they will do splendidly.
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Mad Guru nothing against your Old Glory artillery pack mules, I have seen in your post that you have properly mounted gun and carriage on mules.
I have seen a photo on the Old Glory site that I don't find correct, gun and wheels mounted on the same mule.
I though the kit is like this for this reason my worries.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L5HxjRS2/Screenshot-20210606-135100.jpg)
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thank you Mad Guru, your pictured ones are really outstanding. very very nice.
Of course your comments are different from Umra's. He is just jealous of my growing powerness.
By the way are you following the topic of our campaign? I will homage your kindness with his head at the end of it lol
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thank you Mad Guru, your pictured ones are really outstanding. very very nice.
Of course your comments are different from Umra's. He is just jealous of my growing powerness.
By the way are you following the topic of our campaign? I will homage your kindness with his head at the end of it lol
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Mulehead Khan there are many stories in India,
one that suite for you is this:
" there are three things you must fear in life , the cobra bite ,the tiger claw and the Afridi's revenge"
you are choosing the worst !
Signed Umra Khan of Jandol
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This wargame will be the most terrible ever seen, the Mother and father of all wargames. The anticipation of the battle report (with lots of photos I hope) already has me trembling in fear. Keep it up guys! lol
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This wargame will be the most terrible ever seen, the Mother and father of all wargames. The anticipation of the battle report (with lots of photos I hope) already has me trembling in fear. Keep it up guys! lol
Thanks Vodkafan I hope you enjoy the remainder of our campaign, due to Covid and other amenities battle will be played in a couple of weeks.
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HAHAHAH!!!!
You guys put a smile on my face every time. Like our colleague, vodkafan, I am most certainly following the preparations for your campaign, and pledge to leave more comments on those threads in the future! Your mutual trash talking is awesome, and reminds me of what goes on between a group of colonial gamers I've been playing with for the past 10+ years. We met at the first all Colonial wargaming convention in the USA (though of course, in keeping with the style of our hobby, it wasn't really all colonial!). Sadly we are scattered across the USA, but we've gotten together a couple of time in the intervening years and more recently we managed to play some remote games during the Pandemic. But I haven't seen that sort of thing on a public forum thread before, which somehow makes it more wonderful, at least to me! I sincerely hope you continue to insult one another -- albeit within the bounds of decorum -- as your frontier campaign continues! You are of course right that the photo you posted from that Old Glory site has one mule's pack-load incorrectly assembled, which is very unfortunate! The photo on display at the other Old Glory 25mm sales site is better, though unfortunately it doesn't show the entire contents of the pack in question either:
(https://www.oldglory25s.com/images/cnb008.jpg)
Meanwhile, though no one is asking, I tracked down a few more pics of my Old Glory Mountain Gun Mule Train, which I am sharing below. I promise this will be the last thing I post about Old Glory Mountain Gun Pack Mules on this thread!
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oTnyJulpl00/YL1d_a16pTI/AAAAAAAAVWQ/4PVsUJ9P7hMMJpTMGAm34VIJGNGfTxDUwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/IMG_3402.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dw0zqdE_TaI/YL1d_WwL_EI/AAAAAAAAVWM/2rzR7DMdr9AuktAAyXuk281uY-Ybsm68ACLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/IMG_3377.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vu-P57XIZHM/YL1d_WZ8QUI/AAAAAAAAVWI/9a15RiSrZdE5jfLxdwwJdNdZwjIIOyxegCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/IMG_3374.JPG)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9Fh88_rV9Y0/YL1d-RSXUBI/AAAAAAAAVWE/MYzGs_rahYUzRYn7sALSW87F6XKtuzbVgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_2609.JPG)
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Mad Guru please break your promise and add such beautifull pictures whenever you feel appropriate ;)
My topic is...your topic lol
Is the construction of such impressive rocks described anywhere?
Unfortunately the desert voices are reporting that Umra has collected other figures and scenery and it will be thougher than planned but, with the Mightful help, the pet of Kafiri will be in chains and all his masters defeated.
Most honourable Mad, please be so generous to consider the possibility to attend my incoronation cerimony which will be held in the fort, Umra's past owner, just after his jump in the horrid ravine he is collecting... Unfortunately before I have to handle with some stupid Feringhi who believe they can overcome the Almighty will.
I prostrate myself at your feet and I rely on your wise suggestions to eradicate Umra's contagious pestilence...
In my new flag is written in Urdu "Death to Feringhi"...
But to increase my youths morale I should complete the bases ...
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Mad Guru, thanks for your photos, they completely change my mind about Old Glory artillery set.
they are good and your paint is beautiful.
Mad Guru try, for your personal well-being, to avoid the friendship with such Wazir, he isn't so bad but
he has strange beliefs about the course of life, is convinced to defeat fFringhi and the powerful Umra.
I tried to teach him something but it turned out to be just a waste of time.
the malicious poor wazir is not sailed like us who have fought for so many years.
he has no mule, neither warriors , he's just a poor man,
he'il end up hiding inside his tower as soon as he hears the first shot of rifle , and I kindly, after kicking him in the back ,
will bring the Wazir ,Oh Great Mad Guru , to you as my personal gift.
your always friendly Umra Khan
bhang ka puda lakdi naheen ho sakta kyunke wazir adami naheen ho sakta
a cannabis plant cannot be wood as a Wazir cannot be a man .
Afridi's sentence
PS hoping there is not a real Wazir here, is just a joke lol lol
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What an absolute pleasure to read this thread and the other about your campaign. As my brother from another mother, Mad Guru mentioned, we talk trash to each other as well, before, during, and after games, but on a more private coms channel, lol.
It is true, the Guru has one of the BEST NWF collections currently in N America comprising practically every 28mm mfgr for this period. His battles are epic, a thing of beauty, historically accurate, and require endurance in its own right just to complete the table top missions. Yes, we had all met at various times and places before, but had bonded as a group at the The Sword And The Flame inspired Larry Brom convention in New Orleans, Colonial Barracks!
Let the trash talking continue. I for one shall follow the narrative eagerly, with bated breath.
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What an absolute pleasure to read this thread and the other about your campaign. As my brother from another mother, Mad Guru mentioned, we talk trash to each other as well, before, during, and after games, but on a more private coms channel, lol.
It is true, the Guru has one of the BEST NWF collections currently in N America comprising practically every 28mm mfgr for this period. His battles are epic, a thing of beauty, historically accurate, and require endurance in its own right just to complete the table top missions. Yes, we had all met at various times and places before, but had bonded as a group at the The Sword And The Flame inspired Larry Brom convention in New Orleans, Colonial Barracks!
Let the trash talking continue. I for one shall follow the narrative eagerly, with bated breath.
thanks JBaumal, we are pleased that you, Mad Guru and others liked our campaign and our way of running it lol lol
I 'm an old TSATF player, but my friend Giorgio, the Malicious Wazir ,prefer the TMWWBK, so despite my age I have to learn a new regulation ( this will cost him many rupees).
I'm pleased to know that you and your friends already used a trash talking during a wargame, it happens here too; but with Giorgio the custom of joking with each other citing our respective wargame characters ( Umra and Muleghead )was suddenly born.
and this way of trash conducting the campaign we keep even during our normal comments, often citing what the wazir will do to the afrid and vice versa with great fun.
We just hope that the continuation of the campaign will be as fun as the first part.
...and as they say from the parts of Jandol, "every moment is good to insult a Wazir"
PS: during my NWF books reading I found several steps where Characters/leaders of different tribes or clans addressed each other with trash terms and expressions, wishing the worst deaths and misfortune.
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I 'm an old TSATF player, but my friend Giorgio, the Malicious Wazir ,prefer the TMWWBK, so despite my age I have to learn a new regulation ( this will cost him many rupees).
My god another rule set??!!! :'( :'( :'( just now that i feel almost comfortable after years of trying to understand (and at end succeeding ) TSATF :D...i would have prefered, instead of a new rulebook, to study and took again my "Political Economics" and "Private Law" exams of my university time o_o
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My god another rule set??!!! :'( :'( :'( just now that i feel almost comfortable after years of trying to understand (and at end succeeding ) TSATF :D...i would have prefered, instead of a new rulebook, to study and took again my "Political Economics" and "Private Law" exams of my university time o_o
lol lol lol lol lol
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Umra Khan, your newly revealed intel changes everything… if what you say is true, and Giorgio, AKA: the Malicious Wazir, has led you astray, to renounce TSATF, embrace the ways of the Infidel and turn to a newer but lesser False God, AKA: rules set… I must renounce him, scatter his chapters & verses to the four winds — especially the bitter cold North wind & blazing hot & humid South wind — and declare myself TEAM UMRA… all the way to Memphis. May the bones of this false Fakir’s misled followers litter every rock from Kohat to Peshawar, and Tirah to Chitral. So let it be written, so let it be done, bang the gong, get it on.
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The Malicious Waziro is completely illiterate, rumors are circulating that he is also blind in one eye, burned for punishment by his grandfather for stealing a samosa cake,
he barely understands the figures ... we will play TSATF making him believe it is TMWWBK.
Probably ,having the Waziro little sense of orientation , he will not arrive in time for the battle and will get lost , as usually, in the mountains, ravines and gullys.
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more news and the story of the sad end of the malicious Wazir continue on .....
Never trust anyone on the Frontier ...an epic NWF Campaign
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Interesting 👍🏻