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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: warrenss2 on September 13, 2009, 04:05:37 PM
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Hi, all you colonial gamers.
I'm looking for a good map of Rorke's Drift. Locations of buildings, sand bag barricades, etc...
I'm not a colonial gamer but plan on running a post apocalyptic version... replacing the Zulus with mutants.
Sounds corny, I know, but Zulu is one of my all time favorite movies.
(http://www.tradeport.com.ph/uploads/Image/magnavision/Zulu.jpg)
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/map-1.gif)
Clearest one I could find with a five-minute internet search.
This one has more detail but is smaller and a bit harder to make out:
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/vo044gcg.jpg)
Between them that should do you. :)
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Hi, all you colonial gamers.
I'm looking for a good map of Rorke's Drift. Locations of buildings, sand bag barricades, etc...
I'm not a colonial gamer but plan on running a post apocalyptic version... replacing the Zulus with mutants.
Sounds corny, I know, but Zulu is one of my all time favorite movies.
(http://www.tradeport.com.ph/uploads/Image/magnavision/Zulu.jpg)
No problem with that. I remember I read a 40k battlereport way back in the 80s in a White Dwarf magazine where they used that scenario with Imperial Guard and orcs. As far as I remember the orcs had to roll on a random table to see what their attack waves consisted of. I think it was the time before fixed units and unit coherency.
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I remember Custom Hobby saying once he'd made one for a customer in 1/72 scale.
http://www.customhobby.com/forum/index.php?topic=169.0
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these maps are good
the only thing missing is the river and the sniper mountain, if they were needed for the scenery
but these should be placed nearer to the farm because of wargaming ranges anyway
but then, in wargaming terms the fortification would be smaller anyway
or do you want to stage it 1:1?
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Nice maps! Also, good Lord its been forever since i have seen that movie. Great flick and Michael Caine at his best i think.
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Zulu is one of my favorite war movies too (along with "Waterloo" and "Burn!") only my version is called "Orc's Drift" and I can never field enough Orcs for it.
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Zulu is one of my favorite war movies too (along with "Waterloo" and "Burn!") only my version is called "Orc's Drift" and I can never field enough Orcs for it.
Most colonial gamers don't do Rorke's Drift completely 1:1, at least not all on the same table at the same time. Typically, what you'll see is 1:1 for the British, and 1:5 for the Zulus. The Zulus, if represented in 1:1 terms for numbers, actually don't all appear at once in most scenarios (and they didn't, historically). Typically, they come on in waves, with different break points for the waves, allowing the Zulus to prepare for another assault, the British to lick their wounds and reposition, etc.
If you represent this with Orks, or anything else, you can probably represent a larger number of figures using "wave" attacks.
As for the river and the "sniper mountain", the sniper fire by Zulus is generally handled abstractly in most scenarios I've read or played (it wasn't very effective), and the river played no actual role in the fighting of the battle.
-Doc
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what you'll see is 1:1 for the British
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As for the river and the "sniper mountain", the sniper fire by Zulus is generally handled abstractly in most scenarios I've read or played (it wasn't very effective), and the river played no actual role in the fighting of the battle.
very true
but it depends on how You expand the original setting
it has never ocurred to me why the british actually survived
why the initially overzealous "loins" of Isandlwhana became reluctant and uncoordinated
the question is if wargamers want to copy the tactical behaviour of the Zulu or allow the Zulu player other options, including operational moves represented in off-table deployment options
in this case the mountain and the river could very well become interesting, as well as random fugitive parties from the lost battle
I did play some 2 variations of this incident, with parties being represented proportionally
the only reason the scenarios were balanced was that the Zulu were not allowed to enter from all sides
and the british were allowed to recover casualties between waves and had british firing drill
we even tried to represent possible disagreement on the Zulu side by splitting them between several players
seriously over 100 british??
and some - 400? Zulu?
that would be a massive scenario
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/The_defense_of_Rorke%27s_Drift.jpg)
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Well, granted, that's an extreme example. I've run it at about 1:2 for the British (or about 50 figs), and about 50 figs per wave for the Zulus, in four waves (if memory serves, I may have altered this a bit - I know I did one Zulu War battle at about 1:4 for the British). I used similar scaling down when doing Lula, which requires about 1-200 Askaris and countless Wahehe.
I have, however, often seen the British done 1 for 1. The thing that amazes me about this is that such games are usually run using "The Sword and the Flame", which was never intended for that many figures on a table - maybe 100 figs, tops, and that's really stretching the system (in my opinion). I usually use a variant of "Brother Against Brother" for my colonial games. Works out pretty well, most of the time, unless you've got one of those sick people who can only roll 1s... which means it can be a very quick game (rolling low is good in BaB).
At one Historicon I saw Rorke's Drift in 6mm, 15mm, and 28mm. I also saw a 10mm Rorke's Drift setup for sale (but I don't think it was being used to run any games at the con.) To say that it's a bit overdone as a convention scenario is probably an understatement, but I can understand why. It's one of those "last stand" type scenarios where either side could have a legitimate chance of winning.
-Doc
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we used both T&T and WHAB, adapted and it worked well
anyone, fancy some pics?
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it has never ocurred to me why the british actually survived
why the initially overzealous "loins" of Isandlwhana became reluctant and uncoordinated
Hi!
1st post on this web site!
The tactically abble King Cetsawayo had forbade his officers & troops to attack british troops who where laagered, or entrenched, but his brother , commanding the party who attacked Rourke's drift ignored that wise order , that 's why the overzealous but tired & hungry loins ( just in search of looting & trying to wash their spears in blood ) didn't succeeded , and also because of the " short chamber Boxer - Henry 4.5 caliber , it 's bayonnet & some guts behind it ! "
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Still one of my all-time favorite movies, and quite a popular subject to game. :)
HAVE FUN!
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Don't know if this is any use but it's a model my Dad put together for our 15mm Rorkes drift stuff...built for a 1:1 game
(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/14517-2/SL380436.JPG)
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wow, nice
now that's something new, Rorke's Drift in 15 mm
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wow, nice
now that's something new, Rorke's Drift in 15 mm
My dad built the model a couple of years ago, the idea was to play a 1:1 game in 15mm, but we still havn't had the time or finished painting the few thousand zulus ::)
(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/14512-2/DSC_0012.JPG)(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/14524-2/DSC_0012_001.JPG)(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/14515-2/DSC_0013.JPG)(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/14533-2/rd17.JPG)(http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/gallery2/d/14536-2/rd22.JPG)
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we used both T&T and WHAB, adapted and it worked well
anyone, fancy some pics?
Hi,
I'm not sure if you've posted them since this post but photos would be great :D
My dad built the model a couple of years ago, the idea was to play a 1:1 game in 15mm, but we still havn't had the time or finished painting the few thousand zulus ::)
Thats really nice work :-* Much nicer than the commercially made models I've looked at buying. Thanks fort he photos :)
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Welcome to LAF, Grekwood :) We've met online before somewhere, haven't we?
Lovely Rorkes Drift piece :)
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Welcome to LAF, Grekwood :) We've met online before somewhere, haven't we?
Lovely Rorkes Drift piece :)
erm, i'm not sure, i don't think so ;)
hello Dave :D i followed a link somewhere and found my way here :)
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here's one, cople more in the link
http://s886.photobucket.com/albums/ac61/former user_the_anarchist/colonial%20wargaming/ (http://s886.photobucket.com/albums/ac61/former user_the_anarchist/colonial%20wargaming/)
(http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac61/former user_the_anarchist/colonial%20wargaming/campdef1.jpg)
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here's one, cople more in the link
http://s886.photobucket.com/albums/ac61/former user_the_anarchist/colonial%20wargaming/ (http://s886.photobucket.com/albums/ac61/former user_the_anarchist/colonial%20wargaming/)
Lovely stuff Sir!
Thanks for the link :)
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Thats brilliant I'm half way through making mine! 28mm (i must upload some photos)
what rules did/do you use?
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as I said (if the question was to me)
WH historical - pimped home rules
T&T - upcoming colonial supplement ;)
work both very well
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My answer to why the British at Rourke's Drift survived is that they were lucky enough to be a company strength unit sitting on top of the ammunition reserve for the entire brigade. With only the regular assignment of ammunition, they would have been crushed. I've always believed the Zulu commander must have been mystified at how the Brits could just keep firing and firing without letup.
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Chick makes a very good point. The Zulu verdict as to why (from a survivor of the battle):
"The soldiers were behind a schaans, and they were in a corner."
(i.e. they were behind barricades, and had nowhere to run.)
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I agree
and they knew what would happen if they would have not keep shooting
the rate of fire with british regulars must have been amazing
I remember the anecdote from early WWI, when the germans thought that the firing drill was MG fire
OK, later on, different weapons, but nevertheless
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i think another contributing factor as to why the brits won/survived rorkes drift may have been down to the zulus just being too tired and hungry to continue fighting. So being tired and running towards a continuous wall of fire must have just, made them think oh i give up ::)
3 of the 4 impi/regiments at Rorkes drift were married consisting of older over 40 year olds and not young fit men, they had also been marching all day, first to isandlwana then onto rorkes drift.
Uthulwana - married
Indlondlo - married
Udloko - married
Indluyengwe - Unmarried
don't know if this is any use to anyone but it's some of my army list and notes for my miniatures
http://www.sutherwood.co.uk/zuluwargameslist.pdf
it has the average numbers of men in real life and then the amount of figures i have/needed at 1:10 for isandlwana, i can then double up the zulus for a 1:1 rorkes drift.
i still need to write up the lists properly so they are easier to understand. Also need to write up my historical based sudan, boer war and napoleonic wars lists and notes. :)