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Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: zbyshko on March 30, 2007, 09:32:31 AM
well, didn't mean to sound suggestive  :oops:

but i have some Vikings with spears in 28mm from several makers - none of which have spears.  i've since been reading to find a suitable dimension for the them but all references i find are for Greek hoplites and their pikes.

what diameter rod do you (all) use and at what length do they look right to you?

thanks

ralph
Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: Westfalia Chris on March 30, 2007, 11:41:33 AM
I´d say it depends on the style of figure, but for historicals, I would not recommend anything thicker than 1mm, 1.5 at the most. The thicker shafts can also be painted with wood grain, which usually looks strange on thinner spears.

On length, I´d say height of figure x 1.5, max. 2 times, and the latter starts looking like a pike... just my opinion, though, and for actual "pike blocks", such as Macedonian phalanx or Renaissance/17th century pike, I´d go for 3-3.5 times the figure´s height.
Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: zbyshko on May 08, 2007, 08:22:10 AM
well, i plunged in and bought some floral wire from AC Moore, snipped and crimped what i thought was a good length, by eye, more than an actual length and here is what i got:

(http://zbyshko.leadadventure.com/images/Viking%20with%20Spear.jpg)

not bad really.  though in doing so i discovered i had FAR less vikings with spears than originally assumed  :oops:  => 4!!  well at leas i know what's on the shopping list for Historicon   :?
Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: Poliorketes on May 08, 2007, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: "zbyshko"

not bad really.  though in doing so i discovered i had FAR less vikings with spears than originally assumed  :oops:  => 4!!  well at leas i know what's on the shopping list for Historicon   :?


*g*
I use brass rod, I think it's 1.2 mm. I'm not that glad about the Speartips, made them with a dremel, but cast spears are definitively better looking. As for length - I think mine are about 3.5-4 cm, that's enough for throwing spears.

But I have a viking age related question, too. Can you tell me something about dress & hairstyle of 10th/11th century western slaws/poles? I'm tempted to get some as enemies/allies for my Vikings and Ottonians, and as there are no suitable figs available I'll have to convert some.
Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: Hammers on May 08, 2007, 10:25:36 AM
I have set up a little "miniforge", making spears and other weapons, for the use of.

It consists of:
* a mini-torch (the kind you use to caramelize sugar on creme brulee)
* a small anvil-vice combination
* a watchmakers ball hammer (I know, it sounds weird)
* several pairs of pliers
* a pot of water
* a dremmel (minicraft) tool
* needle files
* a solder iron


The idea is to heat and hammer the end of a steel or brass rod flat and wide, a drop of solder on the tip and then grind it to the suitable shape. It is easy, fast and you can produce all kinds of short, long, broad, narrow ..spears.

I should reallt take some photos and make a tutorial.
Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: zbyshko on May 08, 2007, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: "hammershield"
I have set up a little "miniforge", making spears and other weapons, ...
I should reallt take some photos and make a tutorial.


Yes, yes you should!  :mrgreen:

i'd pay all the money left in my pocket to see it.  oh! wait!  we're trying to save to buy a house and still pay the current bills - i have no money in my pockets! :cry:  sorry.   would you still do a visual tutorial?

ralph   8)
Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: zbyshko on May 08, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: "Poliorketes"
But I have a viking age related question, too. Can you tell me something about dress & hairstyle of 10th/11th century western slaws/poles? I'm tempted to get some as enemies/allies for my Vikings and Ottonians, and as there are no suitable figs available I'll have to convert some.


i'll drop you a PM in a few minutes as the question doesn't have a nice quaint answer.  i've been looking for the same answers regarding the Rus, Viking Age Slavs and clothing of all in that period and slightly before - 8th & 9th century.
Title: of the length and breadth of a spearshaft
Post by: fastolfrus on May 08, 2007, 10:42:21 PM
Re Rus, Slavs, Balts etc.
I can't remember where my notes are at present, but quite a few depictions of shaved heads (no help if they are wearing a hat), "baggy" clothing for wealthier types(especially breeches), and rectangular shields for some.