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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: Belgian on July 26, 2021, 04:46:44 PM
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Have been playing around with the plastic lizardmen from Wargames Atlantic and creating some more options.
In the picture you can find simple conversions of the primitive muskets turned into pistols and jezzails.
Also converted one of the standard rifle poses into a primitive musket so you can also build them as shouldered.
The more I play around with the kit, the more I love the options and conversion possibilities.
Also been playing around with the odd gasmask and by turning it around (see middle) you can create an interesting alien look.
Especially love the new primitive weapons adding some more interesting option for officers and heavy weapons.
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Genius idea on the weapon conversions. I am definitely going to want to convert some to pistols.
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I was wondering about that exact same head rotation idea, it certainly does look quite suitably alien in practice. The weapon conversions look pretty straightforward, which is helpful.
Had expected to be experimenting with this kit already, but the FLGS took a while to get it in and managed to sell out of their one copy before I could grab it.
Perhaps worth noting that both these lizzies and GW's Tau have three fingers per hand, which might make parts swaps between the two a possibility. Think their Kroot are the same, and might be an even easier swap.
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The pistol conversions are brilliant .
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Forgive me asking what is probably obvious, but what you are doing is taking the 'middle length" primitive muskets chopping out the middles to make pistols, and then adding those same middle parts to other muskets to make the jezzails, right?
If I got that right, add me to the 'brilliant' train! ;)
Doug
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I was wondering about that exact same head rotation idea, it certainly does look quite suitably alien in practice. The weapon conversions look pretty straightforward, which is helpful.
Had expected to be experimenting with this kit already, but the FLGS took a while to get it in and managed to sell out of their one copy before I could grab it.
Perhaps worth noting that both these lizzies and GW's Tau have three fingers per hand, which might make parts swaps between the two a possibility. Think their Kroot are the same, and might be an even easier swap.
Sounds like a plan, might have some Kroots certainly worth trying although I think they are significantly larger.
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The pistol conversions are brilliant .
Thanks also my favorites!
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Forgive me asking what is probably obvious, but what you are doing is taking the 'middle length" primitive muskets chopping out the middles to make pistols, and then adding those same middle parts to other muskets to make the jezzails, right?
If I got that right, add me to the 'brilliant' train! ;)
Doug
Think you just boarded the brilliant train Doug, that's indeed the way it works and quite easy too :)
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Sounds like a plan, might have some Kroots certainly worth trying although I think they are significantly larger.
Yeah, they're huge, but gangly. Fortunately there's no established "right size" for nonhuman stuff like this, and grafting some kroot arms on a lizardman would likely just make it look more alien.
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Just posted the review, might be of interest - Today we will take a closer look at the Wargames Atlantic Lizardmen! These 28mm hard-plastic multi-part creatures are the fourth set of their Classic Fantasy miniature range and cover more than the fantasy genre alone. In this boxed set you can also find sufficient parts to create space lizardmen armed with auto-rifles, lizardmen armed with primitive and human muskets making them most suitable for victorian science fiction gaming and also of course swords and spears allowing them to be used for classic fantasy games. Check https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2021/08/wargames-atlantic-plastic-classic.html
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Sounds like a plan, might have some Kroots certainly worth trying although I think they are significantly larger.
Well, I always thought the Kroot were saved for proper Parrot Men adversaries for the Lizards in the swamps of Venus. ;)
Still, will watch with interest.
Just posted the review, might be of interest - .... Check https://wargameterrain.blogspot.com/2021/08/wargames-atlantic-plastic-classic.html[/i]
Thanks so much!
After checking out the Lizard folk, had a look at the entries; bit disappointed that the Halflings don't have alternate weaponry. Imagined stunties being able to call THEM shorty... ;D
Then had a look at the spiders... :o With sci-fi guns!
I REALLY must remember to see if we have an distributors carrying Wargames Atlantic!
Doug
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Looks like a quick, cheap way to get Venusian askari troops for Space 1889.
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Looks like a quick, cheap way to get Venusian askari troops for Space 1889.
That's the plan, have assembled plenty of them in marching pose or skirmishing with human muskets. Also have some Kroots laying around which will be blue parrotmen ;) along with Skinks and Saurus Warriors to represent even more tribal adversaries.
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Nice little project you have going there.
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Well done, and inspiring. :)
I've long been thinking about doing a small campaign starting with some humanoids (could be Lizardmen) with medieval weapons living on some island, then (historical) 18th or 19th C. human sailors and soldiers arriving and trying to conquer the place; then after some games the Lizardmen would begin to copy the muskets themselves... lol
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Well done, and inspiring. :)
I've long been thinking about doing a small campaign starting with some humanoids (could be Lizardmen) with medieval weapons living on some island, then (historical) 18th or 19th C. human sailors and soldiers arriving and trying to conquer the place; then after some games the Lizardmen would begin to copy the muskets themselves... lol
Thanks all and Patrice, that's actually a great idea! Might steal that :-*
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a great idea! Might steal that :-*
No problem. :)
There is historical and fictional inspiration for such scenarios: Portuguese sailors introducing arquebuses in Japan in the 16th century, traders selling weapons to Natives in North-East America in the 18th C., adventurers trying to use local tribes elsewhere (The Man Who Would Be King) etc.
If there are more than two players there could be different views and objectives in each side: disagreement amongst the invaders (one just willing to invade and another trying to negociate with locals) and also between the defenders (one just willing to resist and another willing to negociate) etc.
Um, just saying. ::) lol Too many scenario and projects, not enough time! lol
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And the various tribal musketeers and Ruga-Ruga in sub-Saharan Africa.
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Finally made some progress and finished these ...
Artillery in the works too ;)
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They work well 8)
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Great stuff!
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Very cool!
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Ow hell...another thing to collect now :(
They are exellent....more for the VSF.
Pete
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Thanks, they are great models and excellent for VSF!
Triceratops with howdahs also coming :)
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Triceratops with howdahs also coming :)
Awesome! I'm in the process of doing this, too!
(and your figures look great btw!)
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Awesome! I'm in the process of doing this, too!
(and your figures look great btw!)
Thanks, here are the Triceratops very much in progress.
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A most excellent thread, sir! I’m happy to wait for future updates.
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Better and better!
Alas, the lizard folk boxes are out of stock in the US and UK/Eu. I ALMOST told my FLGS to put in an order. However, restock possible this month, so I'm not yet safe. ;)
Doug
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Thanks, yes they shifted production to the USA from China so their restocks are a bit slow at the moment as they're catching up.
But think they are inbound this month, have some boxes of the lizardmen coming too.
Might paint up some more units for this project :D
Waiting for some inspiration on how to further build the howdah at the moment and looking at 3d printing some temple scenery.
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Very nice so far. Those Triceratops will look great with a few of those atop them!
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5 boxes have just walked through the door ;D ;D ;D Problem is I am away for a few weeks so can't get a start on them :(
Who makes the Triceratops??? The look brilliant. I have a couple of GW that I picked up at a bring n buy but would love some more.
Pete
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Thanks everybody, the Triceratops are 1/35 and made by Tamiya. An older set but really liked the look of these and for only €8,00 a piece also affordable as I wanted at least four of them.
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great idea with the Triceratops. I will have to remember them for a future sci-fi project.
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Some heavy hitters for the army from Shieldwolf Miniatures.
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This whole project is just brilliant. If I hadn’t still a good sized 15mm VSF project, I‘d have long fallen into the trap of starting my own.
Love what you’re doing with those old dinosaur models!
:o :-*
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Very nice project and really inspiring! Thx!
Any plans to add some germans in there for the 1889 flair?
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Thanks everybody, yes might add some of the Perry Miniatures Franco-Prussian Prussians and French as a faction.
Although for the moment limited to some British infantry and cavalry.
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What a great project.
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Thanks, hope to finish some Lizardmen Archers soon
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Some new pictures of the archers and drummers made with parts of the Wargames Atlantic Lizardmen and Aztec Warriors.
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I like those conversions a lot! It looks like the kitbashed parts fit together quite smoothly - I probably wouldn’t have noticed that they are kitbashed if you hadn’t mentioned it.
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This is coming together beautifully . Should give the German colonial forces a good hiding.
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What rules will you use?
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What rules will you use?
Thanks everybody, not sure yet but most likely simple ones. Finishing the artillery crew, bowmen and pavises but in the meanwhile some more pictures of the artillery.
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Playing around with creating an artillery train but looking for some dinosaur like creatures to pull the limbers. Not very large ones maybe slightly larger than some oxen. In the pictures below some tests with oxen, horses and 3d printed fantasy oxen. Any pointers on suitable dinosaurs or similar creatures to pull these?
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How about an oxen sized protoceratops? It might have to be 3D printed.
I'm not sure if any are available in that size from miniatures manufactures.
The real life dinosaur was smaller but maybe the lizardmen bred them larger.
I think it would fit the look of your army nicely. Just a suggestion.
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Thanks interesting option certainly in the direction I'm looking for.
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Sculpting part of the howdah for one of the Triceratops.
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Perhaps they could mount a few jingals (rampart guns) in the howdah.
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Perhaps they could mount a few jingals (rampart guns) in the howdah.
Great idea, thanks will check out if I have something suitable.
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That’s cool 8)
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Oh yes! Totally awesome!👍
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Thanks for the nice words, lost the greenstuff mojo a bit so on hold for the moment but have finished some command figures.
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It has been a while but I have been planning my artillery battery of 3 guns and limbers along with a munition wagon. But will probably drop the artillery mounts as the creatures aren´t ideal for this purpose.
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I think the mounts work fine :)
What is it that puts you off using them?
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Yeah, those mounts look great!
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Thanks, to be honest not sure think I imagine using more bulkier creatures and think the only one available pose isn't quite the right look but may change my mind though as there's no hurry. The creature itself is great, very cool pose and excellent detail, should have to check but think it's an old Asgard Miniatures figure now available through Alternative Armies.
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Maybe add an extra one to the limbers and a few extra to the carriage to negate the lack of bulky draft animals?
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I LOVE this thread! One of my favorite genres! This is not intended to be critical in any way, merely my own opinions.
I love the crew and the guns, but the limbers remind me too much of 19th, early 20th century Earth. I think a simpler Napoleonic French style limber would look more appropriate.
As for the draught animals, I agree these look a little to slight, especially for heavy guns. For example, Etsy has all kinds of critters:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1391850856/jackal-hounds-3-models-3d-printed?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=cannibal+chickens&ref=sr_gallery-3-1&pro=1&edd=1&sts=1&organic_search_click=1 (https://www.etsy.com/listing/1391850856/jackal-hounds-3-models-3d-printed?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=cannibal+chickens&ref=sr_gallery-3-1&pro=1&edd=1&sts=1&organic_search_click=1)
Once again, no criticism, just my 2 cents.
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Thanks, good ideas might be worth adding some more draft animals like 4 per limber but dislike the look of three. Looks more neatly when there are 2 pairs pulling the limber.
Thanks, the limbers are already bought so will probably continue to use these but good ideas on the draft animals although looking for some more gentle herbivores.
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Not much progress as I´m currently organising the army and printing a bunch of movement trays. While playing around with some spare models, I had the idea to put the lizardmen heads on some Napoleonic infantry, creating some kind of sepoy infantry. As you can see these are without tails but sure some background idea can be invented for that. Not sure if I will create full units but interesting idea.
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That works :)
Maybe cutting off their tails acts like a sort of gelding and makes them more amenable?
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I would think it wouldn't be hard to add stretched sprue to the buttocks to form a tail ?
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Neato! o_o :-*
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Ah, the tread that keeps on giving...
Instead of sculpting a tail, maybe find something cushion-like?
You could then claim it's a bustle.
*grabbing his hat*
Doug
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Have they suffered Autotomy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotomy)
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That´s quite a bunch of reasons so quite feasible without tails. I was going by the background that these professional soldiers are recruited among outcasts, conquered enemies, convicts that were punished and marked by the removal of their tails.
Their only options, survive in the deadly jungles as renegades or outcasts, long life service in penal camps or sign up in highly sought after mercenary bands for hire by captain or princes with the possibility of higher social status and riches upon completion of full service. Although maybe not desired by their respective nations, european powers might be very interested to bolster their own small armies.
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So have been printing movement trays and organising the units. Now just to finish up some artillery pieces and the trays.
- 6x Trained Companies (Rifles/Muskets)
- 6x Trained Artillery Companies (Heavy Guns & Crew)
- 2x Tribal Companies (Tribal Muskets)
- 3x Tribal Companies (Tribal Weapons)
- 1x Tribal Companies (Tribal Jezzails)
- 1x Tribal Companies (Tribal Bows)
- 6x Tribal Mercenary Companies (Skinks Tribal Weapons)
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Now with pictures
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Splendid :)
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Loving it mate! A brilliant project coming along nicely. 👍
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Thanks chaps much appreciated, here are their mercenaries.
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Skinks, Mr, Rico, dozens of them!
Look great
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Nice and original idea! :o
Have they suffered Autotomy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autotomy)
I also thought of this when lack of tails was mentioned. They could have voluntarily removed their own tails to avoid being hampered in the fight (in human-style uniforms the tails would not help their movement) and/or to show that they are seasoned warriors.
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Couldn´t resist and assembled eight of these new native soldiers. Some minor conversion work to fit the heads and changing the arm and hand with a native sword. Looking pretty good so might assembled some more.
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And finished the first artillery battery while running out of flock.
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Love it :)
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Love it :)
Thanks :)
Here are some of their earthly opponents
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Looking good!
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Great stuff :)
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Super thread! :-*
Great progress. Keep it up.
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Thanks chaps!
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Asoulutely fantastic. I want to do something similar with Parrotmen, (Kroot).
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Belgian
I love your Army .. You Sir are a Genius ..Bravo ... :o :-* :o :-*
In addition I didnt even Think of the Tails till you and James Mentioned it ..How Hilarious ... on the nerd scale of 1 to 10 .. thats a 12 .. lol lol lol lol
James I however dont fancy being the recruiter for the "Gelded Martian Askari Regt" ...tough gig that ... lol lol
Keep up the good work, it is quite inspirational Belgian .
Cheers
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A pair of garden shears and a burly sergeant to back you up. No problem lol
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James I however dont fancy being the recruiter for the "Gelded Martian Askari Regt" ...tough gig that ... lol lol
Keep up the good work, it is quite inspirational Belgian .
Cheers
And you thought EARTH press gangs were unpopular....
Belgian, sorry if out of line, wouldn't native troops have some hummie officers and NCO's?
As I am oft missing something previously covered, I will offer apologies here.
Doug
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Asoulutely fantastic. I want to do something similar with Parrotmen, (Kroot).
Thanks looking forward in seeing your Kroot, sounds like a splendid idea!
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Belgian
I love your Army .. You Sir are a Genius ..Bravo ... :o :-* :o :-*
In addition I didnt even Think of the Tails till you and James Mentioned it ..How Hilarious ... on the nerd scale of 1 to 10 .. thats a 12 .. lol lol lol lol
James I however dont fancy being the recruiter for the "Gelded Martian Askari Regt" ...tough gig that ... lol lol
Keep up the good work, it is quite inspirational Belgian .
Cheers
Thanks much appreciated!
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And you thought EARTH press gangs were unpopular....
Belgian, sorry if out of line, wouldn't native troops have some hummie officers and NCO's?
As I am oft missing something previously covered, I will offer apologies here.
Doug
Doug, no problem at all have been thinking about that but went with native officers at the moment.
Bit more useful in battle against human armies as human officers would probably refuse to fight against fellow humans.
Think reminiscent of Europeans leading sepoys but then refusing to lead them in battle against fellow Europeans.
Also want to represent my natives as fully independent nations in most cases but that said might add some human officers later on.
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Think reminiscent of Europeans leading sepoys but then refusing to lead them in battle against fellow Europeans.
That's a glaring hole in my knowledge! More than a bit embarrassed by not coming across in my less than exhaustive readings.
Also want to represent my natives as fully independent nations in most cases but that said might add some human officers later on.
Ah, my prejudices to the fore, though I HAVE seen counter examples, I would expect local forces to have local, or old, worn out, imported, kit.
Now I can't get the image of lizard folk with bamboo artillery out of my head...
Apologies stand, the work continues to delight!
Doug
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Hello all.
I was wondering... all these lizards people are assembling... Everyone must have loads of spare parts left over...
I've built 3 boxes of the lizards and 1 to go yet. Which means I have LOADS of heads... I've used the plain unadorned heads. So I have all the gas masks, the chameleons and all the spiked ones left over.
But I want some more of the plain heads to also do some conversions on other bodies... Would anyone be interested in swapping some of the heads? We could meet up at a Partizan/Hammerhead next year or something? Or put 'em in the post?
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Hello all.
I was wondering... all these lizards people are assembling... Everyone must have loads of spare parts left over...
I've built 3 boxes of the lizards and 1 to go yet. Which means I have LOADS of heads... I've used the plain unadorned heads. So I have all the gas masks, the chameleons and all the spiked ones left over.
But I want some more of the plain heads to also do some conversions on other bodies... Would anyone be interested in swapping some of the heads? We could meet up at a Partizan/Hammerhead next year or something? Or put 'em in the post?
Don´t have spares as they will be used eventually. The plain heads are used for the sepoys and my space lizards. But maybe somebody else might be able to help out.
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Katie, I’d suggest putting a trade post in the bazar as you might get more of a response there :)
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Oh -- good idea!
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Thanks looking forward in seeing your Kroot, sounds like a splendid idea!
It's an idea 'borrowed' from another LAF member.
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Finished the second artillery battery, just missing the movement trays as the weather doesn´t allow spray varnishing.
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Looking good mate! 👍
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It's an idea 'borrowed' from another LAF member.
Fair's fair, I have seen the idea multiple places, unless you mean my comment early in the thread, then I'll take full credit... lol
Looking good mate! 👍
Too right! Admittedly, I don't say it NEARLY oft enough!
Doug
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Looking good mate! 👍
Thanks much appreciated :)
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Fair's fair, I have seen the idea multiple places, unless you mean my comment early in the thread, then I'll take full credit... lol
Too right! Admittedly, I don't say it NEARLY oft enough!
Doug
Thanks Doug!
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Great stuff! This project is really inspiring :-)
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Finally got a box saurologic. I think I may have an OMG around here...
Now, reminding all, great at starting, inappropriate-language at midpoint, forget finishing, I may imagine the spiked headed lizard folk as actually being the same as their smooth headed, but ornamenting skulls 'to gain the hated parrot folks' power.'
Time-honored tribal trope. I was taught the Cossack scalplock was copied from Mongol overlords.
Doug
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Finally got a box saurologic. I think I may have an OMG around here...
Now, reminding all, great at starting, inappropriate-language at midpoint, forget finishing, I may imagine the spiked headed lizard folk as actually being the same as their smooth headed, but ornamenting skulls 'to gain the hated parrot folks' power.'
Time-honored tribal trope. I was taught the Cossack scalplock was copied from Mongol overlords.
Doug
That´s a rabbit hole lol to be honest I just improvise when needed so all sorts of explanations could suffice.
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Made another two Sepoy Infantry Companies and some skirmishers using Wargames Atlantic miniatures.
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That´s a rabbit hole lol to be honest I just improvise when needed so all sorts of explanations could suffice.
Kind of the point.
You do CYA explanations so often, you end up applying same to every bit of kit you look at... lol
And, yes yes, well done on the further forces, he said through gritted teeth, accusatory looks from his own lizards , er accusing...
Best wishes to all on whatever holiday you are or will be celebrating, or get dragged to by family. At least I was able to re-institute my mother's Christmas Eve pizza dinner.
My daughter loved it, and the grandkids are close enough to having their own, and maybe carry on the tradition.
Doug
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So managed to varnish the movement trays in the greenhouse today and finished the last three guns for my artillery battery. Also a quick test with the limbers.
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Impressive!
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Looking good mate!
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Those look great! The combination of disparate parts (crew, gun, and shields) makes a unit that looks suitably alien, but also plausible.
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They look grand 8)
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Thanks chaps, pretty pleased with the end result too!
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Train is still marked 'brilliant', and I am still on board. ;)
Doug
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Better weather so finished all movement trays for the painted miniatures and started work on a unit of Temple Guardians from Shieldwolf Miniatures. Quick update pictures of the army.
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That's a hoard and a half! 8)
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Epic indeed! 👍
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Whoa, that’s awesome! With anyone else, I would be shocked at the size of your force, but I’ve seen pics of your LotR orcs… this is just the vanguard. ;)
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Incredible! I can't wait for your AARs!
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Thanks everybody for the nice comments, I really like them. Went for an easy paintjob and looks really nice in bulk.
Will probably try and finish the Temple Guardians and the uniformed lizardmen and then finish this army project.
Always getting out of hand it seems. lol
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Nice looking lizards. I am thinking of going a different direction though. Does that make me not Space 1889?
(https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/044/778/478/71c84cd7fd0047df057b3a4ffc73e134_original.jpg?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=92&width=1515&sig=TLOFKcnjUX%2BancOrPnuSWmR%2Fn%2FydVRo2aM0nqDfljlI%3D)
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Actually, I don't think Venus got that well developed. Haven't seen the reboot stuff.
My own lizards won't be in ranks or firing batteries in a coordinated manner. They will have guns, but only recently given to them. Europeans re-re-inventing the great game...
Venus is damn close to the size of Earth; plenty of room for civilizations as well as the lowest tech tribes 'living naturally', methinks.
Though, nothing stopping you from fighting them in island jungles, b[ay]ou, or Florida swamps, if you wish not to enjoy a ride in an aether flyer.
Doug
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That army is really marvelous, old chap! :o
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That army is really marvelous, old chap! :o
Thanks much appreciated but not that old!
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Thanks much appreciated but not that old!
Sir, I didn’t want to imply THAT! lol
Seriously, I love your thread.
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Sir, I didn’t want to imply THAT! lol
Seriously, I love your thread.
Thanks :D
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Back at this project, testing some cavalry and horse artillery. Cavalry mounts and limbers by Alternative Armies while the riders and limber crew were found in the assorted miniatures box looking for a suited purpose. Will headswap with Wargames Atlantic Lizardmen heads. Quite happy with the look so these will probably be next. 12 cavalry and two horse artillery limbers.
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I can see why you are happy. Cracking!
Can't wait to see after the head swaps and paint.
Given the uniforms, I have a slight itch for the head gear to be added back, or even just adding face/muzzle.
Sorry, does seem like a lot of work for a simple fancy...
Doug
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Thanks, have also thought about adding head gear. But decided to keep it simple to speed up progress. Too many projects, but lacking enough time.
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Progress, finished a whole bunch of monopose Skinks and also modular Skinks which I armed with muskets and machine guns (for my scifi setting). When assembling another batch I had an idea to add spears to the monopose Skinks making them more dynamic. Would have probably converted all of them but the first batch was already fully painted. So plenty of cheap Skinks to bolster the ranks.
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I‘m seriously impressed! Nice idea. :-*
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Massive army you are putting together! o_o
Brilliant execution! :-*
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Continued well done!
I know I thought of adding swords where you put spears, but that was one of the lost projects.
Plenty of skinks floating around...
Doug
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Thanks everybody, plenty of cheap skinks around! So here are the finished conversions. Next up might be some mighty Saurus warriors.
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Cracking!
Oh, I said that before...
Same comment, new skinks!
I will say that I am looking forward to the Saurus, as more, simpler variation possible.
Doug
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Cracking!
Oh, I said that before...
Same comment, new skinks!
I will say that I am looking forward to the Saurus, as more, simpler variation possible.
Doug
Thanks will also be the old Saurus warriors, plenty of them too 😀
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I should dig out my sci-fi lizardman conversions to share here......
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Easy E, Do it, just to keep the inspiration up!