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Title: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 01 February 2022, 05:33:39 PM: (https://www.matakishi.net/uploads/4/0/8/7/40876893/plains-war-new-site-header-1200_orig.jpg)

This is another new project for 2022 and a period of history which I have fancied wargaming for ages. I will mainly be using the fantastic 28mm ranges from Artizan Design (Northstar) and Wargames Foundry.

Let the buglers sound and the braves put on their warpaint, for this is War on the Plains.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 01 February 2022, 05:35:05 PM: Colonel George Armstrong Custer, Major Macus Reno, Captain Frederick Benteen, Scout Charlie Reynolds and Captain Myles Keogh (standard bearer).

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 01 February 2022, 05:38:02 PM: Capt Tom Custer, younger brother of George Armstrong Custer, served as his aide at the Battle of Little Bighorn, against the Lakota and Cheyenne Indians. Seen here, leading a troop of the 7th Cavalry.

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: joekano on 01 February 2022, 05:58:02 PM: They look great!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: has.been on 01 February 2022, 09:38:33 PM: Quote
I will mainly be using the fantastic 28mm ranges from Artizan Design (Northstar) and Wargames Foundry.

They do look great, but have you not had a look
at the very nice US Cav. figs. by Galloping Major ?

Quote
https://www.gallopingmajorwargames.co.uk/index.asp
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Oldgamer on 01 February 2022, 09:39:55 PM: Fantastic, l am looking forward to seeing this project expand!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 01 February 2022, 11:51:30 PM: Quote from: has.been on 01 February 2022, 09:38:33 PM
They do look great, but have you not had a look
at the very nice US Cav. figs. by Galloping Major ?

Only dismounted troopers though mate
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 01 February 2022, 11:57:22 PM: Colonel William Winer Cooke leading US 7th Cavalry troop. He delivered Custer's orders to Major Reno that commenced the Battle of the Little Bighorn, on June 25, 1876.

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 02 February 2022, 12:00:20 AM: On June 25, 1876, Lt Charles DeRudio was with A Company and crossed the Little Bighorn River as part of Major Marcus Reno's battalion. Seen here with his 7th US Cavalry Troop and Indian Scout "Joe" Walks with Elk.

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Harry Faversham on 02 February 2022, 11:58:59 AM: I'm doing the same thing, but in 15mm as my first 2022 project too!
Your 7th look magnificent so far, great job there mate...
but wot's DeRudio doing, going agin a Custer decree!!!??

:o ??? :o
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: CapnJim on 02 February 2022, 05:40:26 PM: Those cav boys sure look good! Well done, m'Lord!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 03 February 2022, 12:17:01 AM: Cheers boys!!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 03 February 2022, 12:19:00 AM: Some frontier settlers - the Ingle family are searching for their very own little house on the prairie. Nelly Ingle had a roll in the hay with a cowpoke 10 months ago and now has a plus one.

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 03 February 2022, 12:21:12 AM: Captain Benteen's with a dismounted troop of US 7th Cavalry.

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: has.been on 03 February 2022, 03:14:09 PM: Quote
Some frontier settlers - the Ingle family are searching for their very own little house on the prairie.

When they find it will it be an Ingle-Nook ? lol
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: juergen c. olk on 04 February 2022, 12:32:47 AM: Very nice.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: CapnJim on 05 February 2022, 12:16:12 AM: Love the dismounts. They go nicely with their mounted counterparts. Well done!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 05 February 2022, 03:07:01 PM: I agree, truly lovely work.

I have a question for Lord Raglan, though: what is your thinking for painting the horse colors you are choosing? Or are you, in the main following what is below and I am just not seeing it?

I have someone painting up the 7th for me and I've asked him to use the following guide for painting horses:

From Boots & Saddles at the Little Bighorn by James S. Hutchins:
"A" Company--coal black horses
"E" Company--gray horses
"B," "D," "F," "I," and "L" Companies--bays
"H" Company--blood bays
"G" and "K" Companies--sorrels
"C" Company--light sorrels
"M" Company got the left overs, so they were a mix
Trumpeters rode grays; officers usually rode the same color horses as their company
Custer rode a horse called "Vic," a sorrel with four white feet and a blaze on the face.
Captain Miles Keogh rode "Commanche," described as a light bay or buckskin. Keogh commanded Company "I" a bay company.

For all those companies that are bay horses I hope my painter uses some other guides I provided for the various options for bay horses, not just blood bays.

Regardless, your work is still top notch.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: MaleGriffin on 06 February 2022, 12:01:50 AM: Looking great! Takes me back to my youth!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Golgotha on 06 February 2022, 12:20:11 AM: Horse colours very helpful thank you FifteensaWAY
Looking forward to seeing more Raglan what rules are you using?
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Szary on 07 February 2022, 07:59:53 AM: Great miniatures.

As for the horse colours, thanks FifteensAway - I did not know that.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Harry Faversham on 07 February 2022, 09:25:18 AM: Might look pretty, but more than one Troop/Company commander despised the order. You might get one CO who diligently looked after the welfare of both horse and Trooper, and another who was an indifferent and drunken wastrel. The diligent Occifer then got lumbered with half the drunk's broken down nags... just so the Boy General's Regiment could look handsome on the parade ground.

:-[
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 07 February 2022, 03:19:47 PM: Quote from: Golgotha on 06 February 2022, 12:20:11 AM
Horse colours very helpful thank you FifteensaWAY
Looking forward to seeing more Raglan what rules are you using?

Yes the horse colours are really helpful, but I don't fancy repainting mine 😏

My initial intention is to use TMWWBK 👍
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 08 February 2022, 01:37:57 AM: Lord Raglan,

I wouldn't repaint either! But, if you are going to be adding more cavalry, you might be able to regroup into closer horse colors for individual troops if that fits your inclinations, might not be precise but maybe a bit closer.

I am crazy enough to have two 'full' regiments and the one that is not the 7th will not have company coordinated horse colors - but the horse color palette will be limited since the cavalry did have a preference for certain colors, or so I understand - solid colors over more varied patterns preferred, a lot more brown/roan/chestnut/darker bays than other colors generally (exceptions, of course), grays for musicians when possible. Actually, my second 'regiment' will be three different battalions from three different regiments one of which will be either the 9th or 10th so colored troops.

Now those native folk? I'll go riot painting up those horses, pintos, piebalds, skewbalds, and appaloosa galore!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: has.been on 08 February 2022, 09:27:38 AM: Quote
Now those native folk? I'll go riot painting up those horses, pintos, piebalds, skewbalds, and appaloosa galore!

When (ever) I get around to my Plains war project...
I'll have to do that in 6mm ! :o
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 08 February 2022, 10:27:54 PM: I think the horse colour description is super interesting, just wish I had this info sooner.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 09 February 2022, 02:14:16 AM: Hope my digression into horse flesh hasn't derailed seeing your wonderful work. Of course, there is an easy cure: Post more! ;)
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Harry Faversham on 09 February 2022, 07:39:17 AM: Quote from: Lord Raglan on 08 February 2022, 10:27:54 PM
I think the horse colour description is super interesting, just wish I had this info sooner.

A Hero to General Custer was one, Jochim Murat, hence the dandified uniforms!?
Reputedly, in a book Custer read about Murat, he learned that all his Napoleonic Light Cavalry would parade in colour coded Squadrons. A practice he tried to replicate in the 7th Cavalry.

:)
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 16 February 2022, 09:33:15 PM: US 7th Cavalry Dismounted

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 17 February 2022, 01:43:43 AM: Very nice! Need mounted and dismounted to game it right, at least for the cavalry. I intend to "get away with" mounted and dismounted Indians not matching too closely, more mounted than dismounted (unless Apache then reverse that). Cavalry needs to match pretty close - for me at least.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: CapnJim on 17 February 2022, 09:39:25 PM: Those dismounts look good too! Well done!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 15 March 2022, 07:23:01 PM: American Settlers

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 15 March 2022, 07:25:10 PM: The 7th US Cavalry patrolling the plains:
She wore a yellow ribbon,
She wore a yellow ribbon in the merry month of May!

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 15 March 2022, 07:31:19 PM: A little Twitter video: https://twitter.com/gareth_lane/status/1503298312971112448?s=20&t=9lQu037c-cKXkAZiJ4CrPg
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on 15 March 2022, 07:36:43 PM: Must resist another genre…. Great work yet again mate!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 15 March 2022, 07:43:38 PM: Cheers buddy
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 16 March 2022, 01:26:54 AM: Love the bit with the wagons with the rolled up canvas - great detail, especially the leather straps! Count that idea for the sincerest form of flattery.

Nice grouping of civilians. All nicely painted.

Now, from earlier posts in this thread, your companies are nine figures, you had five command figures, all good, 32 figures mounted with three companies, similar dismounted.

But!

I count at least 34 mounted figures in your column photo with what looks like four more in the background but mostly cut off "at the knees" so to speak. What gives there, buddy!? Inquiring eyes want to know (even if our 'minds' are only alleged lol)
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Marine0846 on 21 March 2022, 09:08:54 PM: Lovely set of figures.
Love them. :-*
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 03 April 2022, 10:03:00 AM: Quote from: FifteensAway on 16 March 2022, 01:26:54 AM
Now, from earlier posts in this thread, your companies are nine figures, you had five command figures, all good, 32 figures mounted with three companies, similar dismounted.

But!

I count at least 34 mounted figures in your column photo with what looks like four more in the background but mostly cut off "at the knees" so to speak. What gives there, buddy!? Inquiring eyes want to know (even if our 'minds' are only alleged lol)

There is definitely a dismounted miniature for every mounted, someone must have gone AWOL while I was taking the photos.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 03 April 2022, 10:05:20 AM: Indian Village completed.

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Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: MaleGriffin on 03 April 2022, 02:31:52 PM: Fantastic looking village!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: CapnJim on 03 April 2022, 09:30:37 PM: Loving this thread. Well-painted figures and terrain. But now I have She Wore a Yellow Ribbon running though my head... :D
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Golgotha on 03 April 2022, 09:35:27 PM: Love the new additions as well as the village terrain my concern would be storage.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 03 April 2022, 11:39:23 PM: Nice village and like that you added the canoes, especially the paddles - though not so common on the plains maybe. Yes, I am sure they were used but I can't think of a single inclusion of canoes during anything I've read of the Plains Wars - perhaps an odd omission in what I've read. Definitely got me thinking about the topic.

I would have kept the canoes on a separate element. Hopefully not too odd that the canoes are in such a small body of water! :D. (You can tell folks they are kept there to keep them moist and useable. ::))
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Harry Faversham on 04 April 2022, 07:08:54 AM: "Move 'em out, Mr. Pennell!"

:-*
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: AKULA on 09 April 2022, 10:34:40 AM: Another fantastic looking project Gareth - love the Indian village and the settlers, but the cavalry are simply :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: Lord Raglan on 09 April 2022, 06:16:45 PM: Quote from: Harry Faversham on 04 April 2022, 07:08:54 AM
"Move 'em out, Mr. Pennell!"

:-*

Wagons ho mate!!!
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: sjwalker51 on 11 April 2022, 07:55:14 PM: Lovely looking collection!

We’re planning to put on another big 28mm Plains War game (inspired by the Rosebud) at Partizan in May using Foundry figures and MWWBK adapted rules.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: has.been on 11 April 2022, 08:09:53 PM: Quote
We’re planning to put on another big 28mm Plains War game (inspired by the Rosebud) at Partizan in May using Foundry figures and MWWBK adapted rules.

I hope to be there to see it.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 12 April 2022, 01:32:22 AM: Did someone say "Rosebud"? My influence is great (well, maybe, I've been slogging Rosebud as the better gaming option over Little Big Horn for a while now so don't really know if I deserve any credit - but in the spirit of the times (sad comment perhaps :?) I figure I can go ahead and take lots of credit, deserved or not lol).

Alas, too far afield for me what with a continent and a whole ocean betwixt me and the game location.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: sjwalker51 on 12 April 2022, 09:06:04 PM: Rosebud is, in many ways, a more interesting action than LBH but much less easy to translate onto the tabletop, both in terms of terrain and the sheer size of the battlefield - which is why our version will be ‘inspired by’ rather than a strictly accurate recreation.

BUT, I’d love to see suggestions on how best to represent the key terrain features on a 12’ x 6’ table, bearing in mind I’m using 28mm figures (8-10 figures per company, roughly 1:4) - I’ve started with the Hotz BFE2 scenario and studied a few maps but still not satisfied with 5 weeks to go.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 13 April 2022, 01:13:57 AM: sjwalker: "Inspired by" makes sense.

Various options but you might want to focus on Royall's day and include Andrew's Charge - all this focused on after he passes Crow's Hill and ends up at the upper end of Kollmar Creek and then slowly falls back. But that leaves out Mill's actions on the eastern side of the battle but you might be able to include Foster's charge over on the western flank. And you lose Mill's and Noye's return to the battlefield to close it out. Van Viet's actions, while critical on the south side of the Rosebud in preventing the force getting surrounded, can certainly be left out.

I was able to visit the battle field though really only the southern elements, not the areas of the more significant actions. Van Viet's position was much taller than most of the rest of the battle field from my perspective. There is a buffalo jump on the eastern side of the battle field - and surprisingly short (not at all like the silliness of the cliff in the movie Alpha - though I like the movie otherwise). Visited the morning before spending the balance of the day at LBH site.

By the way, the drive along Rosebud going north from the battle site is a pretty cool drive and makes very clear why the Indians spent a lot of time there - though mostly all now turned into farming/ranching land. It is a pretty drive and would have been the best camping sites in the area for many miles with the fresh water of the Rosebud - probably plenty of game to hunt. Many miles in a wide 'trench' of sort with the waterway meandering about. Not like that at all by the battle site, though. Definitely a rising landscape going north from the Rosebud, some marshy areas near where the cavalry stopped to rest, with Kollmar Creek cutting north in the center, another creek heading north to the west, and another dry cut into the hills (with the buffalo jump on the east side) on the eastern flank. So, basically, three dividing lines cutting the battle field into far west, west - the creek, the center with Kollmar creek, the east side, and the Far East where Mill's and Noye's headed north before cutting west and back to the battlefield.

Hope all of that makes sense - sounds like you have some knowledge of the battle so I limited my explanations.
Title: Re: Raglan's War on the Plains
Post by: FifteensAway on 18 April 2022, 01:50:09 PM: Been rereading one of my sources and a reminder that Kollmar Creek was dry at the time of the battle. You could use the length of the table as the valley with hills to either side, the right side - from Rosebud heading uphill - would be a long ridge and the left side would still be a long ridge but with some breaks in it and at the top left a bit of a knoll. That would give you the essence of the field. Both ridges would rise in height going north.

Hope we get photos of your table and your game once it has been prepared and then after it has been played.