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Other Stuff => General Wargames and Hobby Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. White on 08 February 2022, 10:22:28 PM
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I can imagine most of the posters here have played around with various scales, but has anyone played one ruleset with multiple scales?
For example, I currently have a 1:72 Dragon Rampant project going. 1:72 is cost effective and the smaller scale allows me to paint up models quickly as this'll be played in situations where I'm providing all the warbands. However, I'm also going to be doing a 28mm Dragon Rampant warband to play with some buddies out of state who are working on their own 28mm warbands.
I'll kinda be doing the same with Lion Rampant. I plan to do both sides of the Hundred Years War conflict in 1:72 at home, but a single 29mm Dark Ages Saxon warband for playing against others.
Anyone else do this foolishness? how often? any thoughts about the efforts afterward?
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Personally, no. I do collect different scale figures for several game genres, but I play different rulesets with each scale of minis. :)
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I have tried this almost by accident with PSC's Battlefront WW2 set. We play it in 20mm and 15mm, more because of what people have. Although seemingly aimed at 20mm we find it "looks better" in 15, due to weapon ranges being more realistic. I could say the same for PSC's NORTHAG. Gamed it in 20mm which looked odd, much better in 1/300. That said I agree with Major Gilbear. For instance we plan to use NORTHAG for 1980's bigger battles in 1/300, and Seven Days to the River Rhine for smaller battles in 15mm.
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I do 1940 blitzkrieg games in 20mm and 28mm using CoC partly because I like the ‘wider area’ games I get with 20mm but also the more focussed games I get with 28mm.
But mainly because “oh, shiny!” 8)
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With WWII rules we can use 6mm, 10mm or 15mm troops in different games, with the same rules. Mainly depends on who is hosting and which set of figures we want to use. This is due to within the playing group different players having different figures in their collections - not down to any deliberate attempt to play in multiple scales.
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I've played Song of Blades and Heroes and other skirmish games in 15mm, 1/72 and 28mm. I have HOTT armies in all three of those scales too (though I may rebase the 28mm ones).
I've also run RPGs in all three scales, and have miniatures for our PCs in all three. I'm very keen on having miniatures work in several scales. So, for example, these chaps can be hobgoblins in 28mm, ogres in 1/72 and giants in 15mm:
(https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=77384.0;attach=165348;image)
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DBA, I have played it in 28mm, 15mm, 10mm, 6mm and 3mm.
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Pulp Alley's rules work for a broad range of scales. IIRC 15mm (10mm if you push it) to 54mm?
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DBA, I have played it in 28mm, 15mm, 10mm, 6mm and 3mm.
DBA is the one I thought of, but you beat me in the range of scales. I have figs in both 15mm and 6mm and used them for games. :)
I have played Hail Caesar and ALDG in 6mm, 15mm and 28mm if that counts as well.
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WW2 - I have figs in 6mm, 10mm, 15mm, 20mm, and 28mm. I am trying to rationalise to 10 & 28.
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I have a few periods with multiple scales. Used different rules for each scale (and multiple rules within each scale, too).
I've done the same scenario and scale, using different rules, at cons to see if/how the rules affect the outcomes. A very interesting exercise....
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Much the same as a couple of others playing PSCs Battlegroup rules: 15mm individually based for a platoon or two with some armour support then down to 6mm based in sections for multi-platoon games with armour platoons etc (I started doing the infantry in 1,2,3 and change but it was just to much) so for German squads the mg section and the rifle section are two bases and I note casualties using markers/dice or on paper.
BALM
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In short...hell no.
I invest so much time and money into stuff, I want everything to be useful for a variety of games, etc. I have a buddy who games Battlegroup in at least three scales...and as expected, has a tiny force for each scale, and even less terrain for each scale...rather than having larger comprehensive forces with more suitable terrain for it all, etc. I don't enjoy playing quite as much, because the three scales means he has very small collections and each scale is basically the same encounter each time we play. I'd rather it all be the same scale, with a much wider variety of unit options, etc.
Having amassed, for example, a very large Soviet force in 15mm...I would never, ever, start playing an alternate WW2 game in another scale, lest it be commando operations played out in 28mm or something completely unrelated, or some kind of naval game, etc.
I very much prefer my miniatures and terrain to pull a lot of duty...my fantasy miniatures have been used for dungeon crawls, Mordheim, other fantasy skirmishes, some convention gaming, and even seen duty for D&D, etc. I love when miniatures become a good investment and I feel like my painting/building time wasn't wasted. If I pull models out once a year...why did I paint them in the first place?
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I can imagine most of the posters here have played around with various scales, but has anyone played one ruleset with multiple scales?
Nope this way lies madness! ;) ;) :D
I certainly have played rulesets with different scales but I only collect and paint one scale for myself. For example my American Civil War collection is 1/72 scale. I have large armies covering both North and south if we are playing at my place that is the scale we play. If my friends collect 15mm stuff I am not going to start an army in that scale so I can play against them I expect them to provide the figures. It is helpful however if we use the same rule set.
That being said I have several large 28mm War Hammer fantasy and 40k armies. I also have massive Epic Space marines armies (6mm) and War master fantasy armies (10mm). However I do not think this counts because I use different rule sets.
Over all I tend to agree with Elbows Time is to short and money is to hard to come by to be duplicating things in multiple scales to play the same rule set. It is much wiser to build a collection in one preferred scale that can be used with multiple rule sets and genres.
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In short...hell no.
I invest so much time and money into stuff, I want everything to be useful for a variety of games, etc. I have a buddy who games Battlegroup in at least three scales...and as expected, has a tiny force for each scale, and even less terrain for each scale...rather than having larger comprehensive forces with more suitable terrain for it all, etc. I don't enjoy playing quite as much, because the three scales means he has very small collections and each scale is basically the same encounter each time we play. I'd rather it all be the same scale, with a much wider variety of unit options, etc.
Having amassed, for example, a very large Soviet force in 15mm...I would never, ever, start playing an alternate WW2 game in another scale, lest it be commando operations played out in 28mm or something completely unrelated, or some kind of naval game, etc.
I very much prefer my miniatures and terrain to pull a lot of duty...my fantasy miniatures have been used for dungeon crawls, Mordheim, other fantasy skirmishes, some convention gaming, and even seen duty for D&D, etc. I love when miniatures become a good investment and I feel like my painting/building time wasn't wasted. If I pull models out once a year...why did I paint them in the first place?
I fully agree. I keep everything in a single scale (28mm, give or take) so I don't have to make double terrain or things like that. And almost everything can pull double duty for other games. Except maybe for the most niche of niche models.
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Umm, guilty on multiple counts.
Blitzkrieg Commander in 1/87; and the club was playing in 1/285, so I added a small force to bring along for that.
Homebrew rules for Girls und Panzer in 1/100; and since we're working on a home Japanese model railroad, also picked up 1/144 tanks to play on the layout.
[Also Bolt action in 28mm, so WW2 in general in 5 scales].
Battletech Alpha Strike in 1/285 and 1/144.
DBA mostly in 15mm, but also 6mm and 25mm (with overlapping armies between scales).
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Not exactly what the OP means, but gaming with Dropzone Commander (1:150) and Dropfleet Commander (1:15K), we have always had the intention of combining both games into a campaign, where there'll be fleet actions first, dropping troops on planet with DFC. After which we'd switch to DZC to play out the ground conflict.
I'd always expected Hawk Wargames to eventually come out with a 28/30mm Dropsquad Commander game as well to zoom in even more, into skirmish territory, but that never happened, but if it had, we would probably have added this to the campaign plans too.
But as to playing the same rules with differently scaled miniatures though; I'm going to have to say no. the closest I've come is to simply replace the 15mm miniatures of Team Yankee with 1:300 ones, so that the ranges are a bit more realistic. But that never actually happened...
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I've managed to keep nearly everything in 28mm'ish.
However, I play Mech Attack in 10mm and 28mm. The club started playing it about 10 years ago when Mech Warrior Dark Age minis were cheap as chips and being sold by the bucket so we were able to simply rebase them (though some repainted) and do some affordable mech gaming without redirecting much time or cash from our regular focus on 28mm. We ended up using those minis in a few other small scale games, but not the same games as we were playing in 28mm.
However, we eventually started running a yearly Mech Attack game in 28mm using a variety of Mech miniatures, models and toys. Same exact ruleset, just doubled ranges. I only put the game on once or twice a year, but it's an incredible setup and folks really enjoy it so it's worth it to me. https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2022/04/aar-mech-attack-battle-at-adepticon-2022/
Right now I'm kicking around the idea of making a convention game that would use 1/18 (3.75) action figures as the miniatures. Perhaps using something like Planet 28, a ruleset my son and I want to try in 28mm.
In regards to Dragon Rampant, second-hand (often off-brand) 25/28mm figures are so cheap that -unless you have a group of 20mm fans- I think worth it to build in 25/28 if only to increase the number of opponents you can find and the number of other miniatures-agnostic rulesets you can use them with. Club members discussed a few times doing large fantasy battles in 15mm and 10mm, but in the end we just kept growing our mostly-bargain-sourced 28mm armies and played games of Dragon Rampant until we were able to field armies for KoW.