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Title: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: MiniPigs on 27 March 2022, 01:37:15 PM
Does anyone know of 28mm lances that are hard like steel and have a more knightly or jousting shape/design than a plain wire shaft? 
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: Atheling on 27 March 2022, 03:21:13 PM
Yes and no. "Yes" you would have to buy the early HYW miniatures from Claymore Castings to get them and "no" I doubt they would be available separately.

https://claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/product/ot25-mounted-knights-with-lance-1/# (https://claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/product/ot25-mounted-knights-with-lance-1/#)
(https://i0.wp.com/claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/166485562_4412629698766748_8426533370633582794_n.jpg?fit=960%2C666&ssl=1)

Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: Ogrob on 27 March 2022, 04:24:25 PM
Those claymore minis above have your regular steel wire spears that then get inserted into the jousting guard that is molded on the figure's right arm.
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: has.been on 27 March 2022, 05:08:27 PM
If you like the Claymore approach, then your own
'hilts' can be made from small sequins or a small
ball of Miliput/Green Stuff etc.
I have even seen solder used while soldering the
wire lance in place.
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: Atheling on 27 March 2022, 05:24:59 PM
Those claymore minis above have your regular steel wire spears that then get inserted into the jousting guard that is molded on the figure's right arm.

As in the image above.  :)
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: Ogrob on 27 March 2022, 06:23:00 PM
As in the image above.  :)

Yes, was just trying to confirm that there is, as you say, nothing available separately from the minis.
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: MiniPigs on 27 March 2022, 06:40:09 PM
It's an interesting concept, shoving wire spears through that jousting guard. Maybe it's worthwhile getting something like that cast separately.

I like those Claymore castings; are the English archers too late for 1250s-1300 England?
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: Atheling on 27 March 2022, 07:14:16 PM
It's an interesting concept, shoving wire spears through that jousting guard. Maybe it's worthwhile getting something like that cast separately.

I like those Claymore castings; are the English archers too late for 1250s-1300 England?

If you mean these (Matthew Bickley sculpts):
(https://i0.wp.com/claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IMG_20210902_215724.jpg?fit=1568%2C584&ssl=1)
(https://i0.wp.com/claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IMG_20210902_215751.jpg?fit=1414%2C607&ssl=1)
(https://i0.wp.com/claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ot11.jpg?fit=800%2C800&ssl=1)
(https://i0.wp.com/claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_20210902_215820.jpg?fit=1292%2C607&ssl=1)

Then yes, they're a bit late but it depends on how picky you are really. They're designed for 1346-1356 but you could stretch them forward quite easily. some of the archer packs were originally designed with Otterburn in mind so would fit and stretch to Agincourt.

Otterburn Packs below (Paul,Hicks sculpts):
(https://i0.wp.com/claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/OT9A-1.jpg?fit=800%2C356&ssl=1)
(https://i0.wp.com/claymorecastings.co.uk/new.claymorecastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/OT10A-1.jpg?fit=800%2C328&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: MiniPigs on 27 March 2022, 10:12:12 PM
I take it that these are quite bendable?

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/weapon-and-shield-packs/products/wp010-medieval-lances
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: jeffreythancock on 28 March 2022, 12:26:57 AM
Custom turned brass, like quality scale model gun barrels?
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: MiniPigs on 28 March 2022, 02:10:18 AM
Custom turned brass, like quality scale model gun barrels?


It's not a bad idea. There's got to be a couple of barrel makers that will make this. Could be brass or steel.

There remain a few questions. There seem to be two basic shapes, a lance with a conical, almost spherical guard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jousting#/media/File:Paulus_Hector_Mair_Tjost_fig2.jpg

https://historicenterprises.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=560

 And another lance where the lance itself is conical at its bottom quarter with a cut-out grip for the bearer's hand like the Foundry one or this Osprey image of a renaissance gendarme:

https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/weapon-and-shield-packs/products/wp010-medieval-lances

Another question is construction, are one piece items better or would it be better to have the wide, conical guard separate?

I suppose the gendarme version would be better as a cast item because it's really about the shape of the lance itself.

Is brass better than steel?

What's the length for 28mm knights? 75mm, 80mm?
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: MiniPigs on 28 March 2022, 02:34:47 AM
Looks like the good people at ABER already make something close; a conical guard, you can slide a  steel spear through and cut down  to taste https://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=62&page=1
Title: Re: Makers of Strong 28mm jousting lances?
Post by: Blackwolf on 28 March 2022, 02:51:49 AM
I would punch out some thin plasticard and heat it with boiling water to shape. And if you have a Dremel it would be easy to turn a bit of sprue if you were using the lance with a cut out.