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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Hammers on 10 October 2009, 08:33:42 AM
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Hrm, hum... Well since no one else seems inclined to begin:
What to build..., What to build...
Unfortunately the rules don't allow for continuing on a already existing project. I have about five laying around in various degrees of completion of which one I would have liked to take this opportunity to do just that. Oh, well, the idea of the competition is very appealing so I'll have to add just another project to the pile. Again.
I think I have to settle on something for my ongoing NWF project. Is it still a project when it spans over a couple of years without a clear goal other than "It'd be cool to have a NWF board"? Maybe one should talk of 'periods' instead, they way art critics do, "Picasso's Blue Period" and so on, since it its governed by what you are inspired and interested in... "Hammers NWF period is recognized by it's multitude of miniatures and array of incomplete scenere. The word "sprawlingness" come to mind...'
What was I talking about before? Lost it... Ah!: A project fro NWF. The theme is sort of one-size-fits-all: transportation. It is so broad it almost makes it harder to pick something. The rope bridge I started last winter is almost complete so it's out of question. So is the mudbrick Pathan fort where almost all pieces are cut and fitted. The gun trench is hardly started except for the wicker baskets and the base so that *might* be considered OK. But it is hardly transportation is it? This means the planned mud brick houses and ruins also don't qualify.
The only thing I can come to think of right which qualify and which I have had in mind for NWF is my rather whimsical idea for the 13th Gurkha Rifles (Duke of Nutherland's Own) Ambulating Officers Mess based on a Ford chassis. It would at least be different.
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The rope bridge I started last winter is almost complete so it's out of question. So is the mudbrick Pathan fort where almost all pieces are cut and fitted.
Oooooh.
Might be out of the question for you, but sound like jolly good ideas to me ;)
A rope bridge.... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I could use one of those.
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Oooooh.
Might be out of the question for you, but sound like jolly good ideas to me ;)
A rope bridge.... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I could use one of those.
Bastard! That is *MY* idea! >:( ;)
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The only thing I can come to think of right which qualify and which I have had in mind for NWF is my rather whimsical idea for the 13th Gurkha Rifles (Duke of Nutherland's Own) Ambulating Officers Mess based on a Ford chassis. It would at least be different.
sounds like a good idea to me ;)
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Just got remembered another idea I've had for my NWF board: a serpentine road on a mountain side through terraced rice fields. That should pass for 'transportation' to, right? I mean if a bridge does...
Some thing like this (Mansehra Distric, NWFP):
(http://www.travel-images.com/pakistan50.jpg)
By the way and apropos nothing: I am cooking stuffed bear steak tonight. Our Canadian friend may be able to answer this: do I need to kill the bear before I stuff it and shove it in the oven?
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By the way and apropos nothing: I am cooking stuffed bear steak tonight. Our Canadian friend may be able to answer this: do I need to kill the bear before I stuff it and shove it in the oven?
I think the old adage about dead bears and their pelts may come in handy here as a rule of thumb. If you wish to keep your thumbs, that is. And the hands. And arms.
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That's a rather stunning photo you've got there :o I should think it would qualify, maybe the addition of a supply truck or some such will do the trick.
cheers
James
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Just got remembered another idea I've had for my NWF board: a serpentine road on a mountain side through terraced rice fields. That should pass for 'transportation' to, right? I mean if a bridge does...
No problem. I included roads in the original announcement:
It is a deliberately open category covering just about any type of vehicle from train to submarine to airship. Additionally any buildings connected to transportation, such as a train station, dockside, hangar, Stargate etc are acceptable. In theory you could even submit a road, river or bridge. This should allow almost everyone to come up with an entry regardless of their own specific interests.
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No problem. I included roads in the original announcement:
Sorry, should have checked. Thanks.
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By the way and apropos nothing: I am cooking stuffed bear steak tonight. Our Canadian friend may be able to answer this: do I need to kill the bear before I stuff it and shove it in the oven?
I don't think the bear would mind the stuffing too much but it may have objections to being shoved in the oven! If you've found a way of doing that without killing it, please let everyone else into your secret!
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Hammers
Can't see any photos ???
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Hammers
Can't see any photos ???
Don't know why, I can see it fine.
Here's another one, but without a road:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/LongjiTerraces.jpg)
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I just dug up another idea among the potato sacks and rusty garden tools in the murky depths of my mind. When I did my silly DNKCM (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=4158.15)I at some point thought it'd be nice to do some gaming with them. It took me a while to come up with proper antagonists but figured the rather conservative club must clash with some rather uncouth characters. I came up with the idea of a loose gang of Irish pikies, Welsh gypsies and other modern nomads setting up camp in the Monimasket commons where the honourable club walk their dogs.
Having seen he second season of 'Carnivale' I am thinking a mobile camp with Girly Show, paris wheel platform, gypsy fortune teller caravan, a bare-knuckled-fisticuffmanship-ring-onna-truck, a truck with stolen church copper plate roofing...
It's not NWF, but I feel the stakes has been raisen by JB so I am considering it. Whadda you say, Overlord? Is a Carnival caravan transportation? :)
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I hope Overlord gives yo the nod, that would be great to see!
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Whadda you say, Overlord? Is a Carnival caravan transportation? :)
Fine by me. :)
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Thats sounds like a great idea :o :o
I can think of loads of uses for that.
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I just dug up another idea among the potato sacks and rusty garden tools in the murky depths of my mind. When I did my silly DNKCM (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=4158.15)I at some point thought it'd be nice to do some gaming with them. It took me a while to come up with proper antagonists but figured the rather conservative club must clash with some rather uncouth characters. I came up with the idea of a loose gang of Irish pikies, Welsh gypsies and other modern nomads setting up camp in the Monimasket commons where the honourable club walk their dogs.
Having seen he second season of 'Carnivale' I am thinking a mobile camp with Girly Show, paris wheel platform, gypsy fortune teller caravan, a bare-knuckled-fisticuffmanship-ring-onna-truck, a truck with stolen church copper plate roofing...
It's not NWF, but I feel the stakes has been raisen by JB so I am considering it. Whadda you say, Overlord? Is a Carnival caravan transportation? :)
That's an absolute gorgeous idea, Hammers! :-*
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Agains't my better judgement I've just gone'n donnit. I ordered two flatbed trucks from Blue Moon, a Ford AA from Sloppy Jalopy and a Tamiya Light Utility Vehicle from Moduni ( and, hrm-hm, a Trumpeter 1/48 FW 200 Condor just to, you know make the order worthwhile... ::) ). They will be used as platforms for the carnival. I already have all the miniatures, all the horses, all plastic sheet, brass wire I think I need.
I need some advice.
The Welsh gypsies should have a dancing bear. Which one should I get?
Where does one buy cart wheels? I need them for a couple of horse drawn gypsy caravans.
Irish travellers, so they traditionally trade horses and race dogs? EDIT aparently they do (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers).
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Where does one buy cart wheels? I need them for a couple of horse drawn gypsy caravans.
Check out lego cart wheels on E-bay. Once you get past the stigma some of them aren't bad at all and paint up well.
Good to see you're going ahead with this project. :)
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... paris wheel platform...
It's Ferris Wheel in English, innit? 'Pariserhjul' is what we call it in here in the pagan north.
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Dancing bear - if no better suggestions arise how about the one (Cyril?) in the original Dwarf Kings Court box set from Citadel? I think I know someone with a spare one in the attic too ::)
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Hell, Svennn. You've become my main Lead Pimp! :)
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Hammers,
Glad to see you running with this idea. It gives you a better chance to exercise your particular *style* of humor lol ;D lol
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Oh God Silent Invader, now you have me thinking of that horribly great clown on a toilet mini that was up on TMP last week! My eyes, my eyes o_o o_o o_o
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Will there be a freak show?
Probably a LAF member inspired one. ;D
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No clowns. That's circus.
Freakshow is a good idea, if I can the miniatures I like. (WW is just to out there and I don't like plastic).
I will start with a gypsy varod drawn by a Shire horse. I just a Ebob one, hooves like soup plates, just the thing. It will obviously be inhabited by a fortune telling crone.
I think I'll use the Thornycroft as a platform for a Ferris wheel. Problem is that I will most likely get bogged down in details like "how do you *really* transport a Ferris wheel".
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"how do you *really* transport a Ferris wheel".
Give it a push and hope everyone gets out the way?
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I think I'll use the Thornycroft as a platform for a Ferris wheel. Problem is that I will most likely get bogged down in details like "how do you *really* transport a Ferris wheel".
Ogres?
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So heere's my first WIP, Mother Zoogla's Vardo. Mother Zoogla is a Welsh gypsy of an obscure clan rumoured to have mix blood with elfkin back in the 18th century. She vehemently scornes at these old wives tales, which only makes to fortify them in peoples minds. She is the carneval palmist, fortune teller and purveyor of general curses and love potions.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/MotherZooglasVardoWIP1.JPG)
The vardo so far. Mostly made from styrene sheet, strips and architecural pieces plus some items from the bit box. Springs, axles and and that forky bit, I don't know the English name for it, which is attachhed to the horse are soldered brass wire of various shapes and dimensions.
I wish I had made the vardo more narrow. That would make the Ebob Rebellion charger look bigger and more like a gypsy horse or Shire horse. As it is it looks very roomy and comfy. Had it it had more narrow proportions it could have appeared more gaunt and awkward, which would have fitted its witch-like proprietress. I tried to amend this a little by putting the wheel axles quite close together. There's still a bit of detailing that will go into this.
Next up, I think, will be Toby "Green" Knight's Hootchie Kootchie Burlesque.
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Very cool looking,
Like the gypsy cursing all who look upon her :)
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A Christian deed. Thank you!
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what? already started?
damn, missed the opening titles....
someone pass me the nachos ;)
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Anything with burlesque in it gets my vote! ;D
Gotto be honest with ya... Getting the miniatures for it is what's the real attraction for this project. :P :D
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wasn't there some "monster-show" range in Eureka gothic horror or so?
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Gotto be honest with ya... Getting the miniatures for it is what's the real attraction for this project. :P :D
How I understand you! :)
during my "samurai" project I also felt that... trying to find particular minis is a hobby by itself! :) and a very interesting one, if I may add!
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wasn't there some "monster-show" range in Eureka gothic horror or so?
Eureka has some clowns with cleavers. Are you thinking of West Wind? Bit too cartoonish for my tastes. I've found some other stuff...
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yep, You're right
http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=2_39 (http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=2_39)
can't a circus look cartoonish?
well I don't know, it's Your project and it looks good so far :)
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Lovely project Peder that you are working on.
Helen
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Did anyone mention Brigaed Games "circus world" range yet? ;)
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Did anyone mention Brigaed Games "circus world" range yet? ;)
Thanks, but they are not stunning are they? Also, I am looking for a bit grottier looking characters. I think I have managed to scrap together the main part small unusual collection from the freak show
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A burlesque needs music and I thought a gramophone (phonograph) would be a nice centerpiece for the lorry stage. I slapped this together with a soldering iron, some brass sheet and some plasticard.
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/gramophonewip1.jpg)
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/BuildSomething/phonographwip2.jpg)
Now I only need to find a way to graft some sinful Negro music onto the little 78 so the girls have something to wriggle to. Perhaps some Fats Waller or Cab Calloway or some Ragtime by Blind Willie McTell. Or some Argentinian brothel tango for a bit of exoticism
Chappie in his cricket whites is just there for size comparison, he's just a new recruit for the AVBCW Totleigh in the Wold Volunteer Grenadiers (Many thanks, Svennn!). The gramophone is a bit large, as you can see, but you'll just have too think of it as an early gettoblaster.
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love the gramaphone :-*Great idea for any one doing adventures in the early 20th century I'll have to tryto do one myself some time!Cab Calloway is a favorite of mine liked to get a figure of him (or any jazz musicians for that matter)
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That 'phone is superb! Lovely work.
So is the cricket gentleman, by the way. 8) 8) 8)
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OK, that's it!
"slapped together" my behind!
You can be lucky grammophone doesn't run under "transportation" or You'd have won already
basterd ;)
the world is unfair :'(
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Slapped together my a$$.
Hammers, the only way I am going to forgive you for that amazing gramaphone is if you do a second, and mail it to me directly here in the States. Otherwise, I will remain irritable...
And of course my wife reads over my shoulder and asks "So how will they know the difference? You're always irritable."
If I didn't love her so much....
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If you are serious I could consider doing another one once the competition is over. It didn't take very long.
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only one?
expand, make several types, record collections, retro microphones....
no seriously - I'd fancy one too, just for it being so cute
an acient film projector would be nice too
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only one?
expand, make several types, record collections, retro microphones....
no seriously - I'd fancy one too, just for it being so cute
an acient film projector would be nice too
You want fries with that...?
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;)large :D
You surprised people like such a nice model?
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Couple of very nice bits so far :-* :-*
The Gramophone is lovely.
This looks like it is going to be a brilliant entry
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Not bad for "slapping it together", Hammers. For a moment I had the impression that cricket chap is just about smashing it to pieces again ... :D
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Holy crap that gramaphone is cool. I hate it when people make impossibly intricate things and then dismissively describe the process. :)
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Holy crap that gramaphone is cool. I hate it when people make impossibly intricate things and then dismissively describe the process. :)
Thank you. Sorry. I can do one of these elaborate, overworked how-to posts which I am known for, if you like. ;)
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Lets face it Hammers you are obviously going to have to start mass production and join Nick in the Lead Baron League you so covert :D
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Lets face it Hammers you are obviously going to have to start mass production and join Nick in the Lead Baron League you so covert :D
Well, there is that secret and very cool handshake I would very much like to learn. Seriously, the day I go into that business you can have my eye balls.
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"Hammers - The Blind Lead Baron of Stockholm" has a ring to it lol lol
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Thank you. Sorry. I can do one of these elaborate, overworked how-to posts which I am known for, if you like. ;)
If the process didn't include soldering, I'd insist you do.
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Now I only need to find a way to graft some sinful Negro music onto the little 78 so the girls have something to wriggle to. Perhaps some Fats Waller or Cab Calloway or some Ragtime by Blind Willie McTell. Or some Argentinian brothel tango for a bit of exoticism
Did someone say Cab Calloway?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHqjMhD04uA
Can't wait to see (and hear) this build when it's finished - lovely stuff so far!
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Thank you. Sorry. I can do one of these elaborate, overworked how-to posts which I am known for, if you like. ;)
I'd be okay with that, too.
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I need some help if it is available. I am going to build a catwalk for the burlesque caravan so I need some pictures of British beer crates, c:a 1920 to 1935.
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I would have thought that they were plain boxes with a name on
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/Hancock.jpg) 1907
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/CupFinal.jpg) 1920's
Keith
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I would have thought that they were plain boxes with a name on
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/Hancock.jpg) 1907
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/CupFinal.jpg) 1920's
Keith
Great images. It's a Ford, innit? Thanks. The devil is in the details, as I am sure you know. The paintjob aside, little things like where the grips are and metal reinforcements etc. makes all the difference if you get it approximately right.
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by beer crates You mean the boxes in which the bottles were carried?
I have an old one at home
height of the bottles, reinforced corners inside, horizontal boards outside, with spaces inbetween, standard sizes for stapleing, open top
sometimes spacers inside, sometimes not, depending on company
don't know about grips oir metal reinforcements, what I've seen so far is none
rough finish, very dirty
the bottle sizes were not standard for all companies, but somethin between 1l and 1pt should be OK
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Thanks. An image would be great, if possible.
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Some would also be dovetailed & wired as below
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/ist2_6737061-old-wooden-beer-crate.jpg)
Keith
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Some would also be dovetailed & wired as below
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/ist2_6737061-old-wooden-beer-crate.jpg)
Keith
Great! Thanks! Unpainted with perhaps a, what do you called it?, branded logo on it (burnt into the wood with a branding iron)?
Not to send anyone out on a mission, but there are images you know of where you get a sense of proportions. Next to a bottle or a person, for ex.
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this is of course a very elaborate version
never seen it in this context before
bottles varies a lot, were in general somehow squatter than today
look at 1 l wine bottles for size
glass was very thick, like for champagne bottles, with this typical ceramic wire fastened cork, at least in germany
but You are not bound to anything, since there were no standards
better decide on a brand still produced today and check out their HP
the breweries all have some retro display for tradition
I checked this out for different reasons some time ago, but the change from home brew to industrial production turned gradually around the start of 19th C, but most of the production was still delivered in barrels, this might be another idea to go with
I don't know if Your beer is to be consumed by the circus staff or sold to spectators, but keep in mind that public alcohol consumption was very different in the past, being exclusively confined to special locations or at home.
I don't think beer would have been sold with a circus show, and the circus staff would almost certainly have brewed their own, all for very quick consumption. Beer turns bad very quick.
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Samual Smiths Brewery in Tadcaster is one that i Know of, They started in the 1750' i think.
Keith
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Just thought there's John smiths in Tad as well & they are about as old & I'm sure they took over WM Youngers & a load of others that are old.
Keith
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Great! Thanks! Unpainted with perhaps a, what do you called it?, branded logo on it (burnt into the wood with a branding iron)?
Exactly right. A branding iron was easier and quicker than painting for a quick logo on a wooden crate. Almost all of industry (at least in the US) used brands for their boxes and crates from the 1890's to the 1950's, when machine assisted painting became commonplace. My grandfather had a brand from a munitions plant from 1917 or so. Big twohanded beast, said "US Army" and I don't recall what else - he said it was to use on boxes of ammo for artillery. Imagine my disgust when about ten years ago at a family function, I was told that one of the cousins had sold it for scrap metal - and got about $5 because it was good quality iron. Idiot.
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Until his retirement in the 1980's my grandfather used to run a pub. In his cellar he had a couple of beer crates with a 1924 stamp on them. I remember they fascinated me as a kid, I was sad like that ;). Anyway, they looked very much like the pic below and held the pint beer bottles, similar to the Newcastle Brown Ale bottles. The bottles were a snug fit so hopefully that will give you an idea of the scale.
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6052/beerb.jpg)
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Until his retirement in the 1980's my grandfather used to run a pub. In his cellar he had a couple of beer crates with a 1924 stamp on them. I remember they fascinated me as a kid, I was sad like that ;). Anyway, they looked very much like the pic below and held the pint beer bottles, similar to the Newcastle Brown Ale bottles. The bottles were a snug fit so hopefully that will give you an idea of the scale.
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6052/beerb.jpg)
That is brilliant, TC. Thank you very much!
Interesting to see there's a grating in it to. Not that I will need to model them but are they iron bars?
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Thick wire. Shame I only just came across this discussion, my father was a director of a drinks company when I was a kid.
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Although the truck carrying "Toby 'Green' Knight's Hootchie-Kootchie Burlesque" is almost completed with a beer crate cat walk and all. Got a few girls with no encumbering morals who will strut their stuff on the stage. I am however starting to feel it was a mistake to get myself distracted from my NWF project to this. I am having a serious build up of supplier distrust and I have added three companies to my personal shit list. Out of the four trucks I ordered to use as platforms almost a month ago none has arrived (Tamiya 1/48 British Light Utility Car from Moduni, two Blue Moon stake trucks from Old Glory UK and a Sloppy Jalopy Ford AA stake truck). I am no good at dealing with frustrations like this, takes the fun out of it. I have plans for another scratchbuilt vardo and will use a Company B A-Ford chassis for a 'Prof. Witchheimer, Mesmerist - the Toast of Tashkent!' which I at least hope I'll be able to complete with the scares time a have at my hands.
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Hammers, would these be of any use to you?
(http://www.donettas.com/AtlantisTroopTransportFigure.jpg)
They're toys so not quite in scale but they're usable for 28mm. I have a bunch of slightly different ones without the beds so they could be given whatever back was necessary. If you think they might be useful I'll grab one out of storage and take some pics. Then you can make me an offer and tell me how many you want :D
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Very kind of you. And your offer is tempting. But since I have paid for the others I should not invest in more trucks for now.
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Fair point.
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Although the mesmerist's van is almost complete I've decided to wit draw carnival from this competition. With so many parts still missing I cannot complete the idea to the way I want it to look before deadline. Rather than showing it piecemeal I'll wait and show the result outside of the competition.
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Although the mesmerist's van is almost complete I've decided to wit draw carnival from this competition. With so many parts still missing I cannot complete the idea to the way I want it to look before deadline. Rather than showing it piecemeal I'll wait and show the result outside of the competition.
sorry to hear that Hammers, but I look forward to the burlesque showing making an appearance idc. :)