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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: DivisMal on June 16, 2022, 10:26:55 PM
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It’s all Captain Blood‘s fault (I vaguely remember there was a thread with a similar name, but yes, gentlemen, it’s true!) and to a lesser degree that of LAF member Hobgoblin! :o
Let me explain. I was happy painting my Star Wars Legion stuff when again a Bloody Miniatures update popped up here at LAF. I was so tempted that I did what everyone who watched Gremlins knows you shouldn’t do, I bought miniatures after 12 o‘clock.
So there I was with a huge amaount of very cool minis from the ECW. I thought, nice put them away and paint them when you’re retired… The force is strong with this one!
Then Hobgoblin continued his never ending thread of amazing speed painted minis. The latest techniques included contrast paints over preshaded minis. This combination plus my frustration with a squad of clone troopers did it for me: I started!
I’ll recollect my thoughts and musings in this thread here and hopefully you people are interested!
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First of all: What do I want to do?
I don’t want to do ECW but 30YW. I’ve been living most of my life in Germany and am currently based in a small town with rich 30YW folklore, so I thought doing this might be a good starting point.
Nienburg has a local legend of Dat Wählig Rott (Lower German roughly translatable as The Jolly Pack), who stole a flag from Tilley‘s army when that army besieged Nienburg. The town was only defended by 3000 Danes.
That will be the thing I would like to do: paint the Wählig Rott, some Danes and last but not least some Catholics.
I envision either Pikeman’s Lament or Donnybrook for larger skirmishes and SoBH for smaller fights. But at this stage I’m very open to suggestions.
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And a last post because from my mobile it’s difficult to see all the text after a certain number of lines.
Anyway, here are my grayscale shaded Bloody Miniatures. They will be colored tomorrow.
Can anybody help me, which ranges for my desired models (s. above) fit best with Bloody Miniatures?
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Overview picture.
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Bloody Miniatures are designed to fit seamlessly with Bicorne Miniatures ECW range - same size, same sculptor. If then you look at the size comparison at the top of the page you will see what works, treating Bloody Miniatures figures as if they were Bicorne. Nick Collier, who sculpts the Bloody Miniatures figures and some of the Bicorne ECW figures, also sculpts the Assault Group Renaissance range which contains TYW figures - look at Renaissance Germans. The size and proportions may be a bit different between Bloody and Assault Group, but that should be fixable by increasing the base height of the Assault Group figures if needed. The Bohemian Troops range is now owned and sold by Empress Miniatures and it's a superb range but, I suspect, a bit smaller than the Bloody Miniatures range.
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Appart from Bicorne already mentioned the old range from Renegade also fits very well with Bloody miniatures.
Redoubt enterprises also offers some very nice figures wich i think will work to in size.
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Looks like a good start Florian :)
As Paul and Rui say, Bloody miniatures are very much designed to fit with the Bicorne and Renegade ECW/TYW ranges (is TYW DJK in Deutsch? :))
Stylistically, Nick's figures for The Assault Group (TAG) are a good match. But they are definitely a little smaller in stature and height.
I have some specific TYW mercenary characters pencilled in for Bloody Release 5. But they will be several months yet, as Nick is now working on Release 4 (which I hope to have out by the end of this summer).
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@ Paul & Rui: Thank you very much! I’ll see that I get some of those. I had a look at the size comparison thread, but for someone who just started the information is very dense.
I can work much better with your help!
@ Richard: Thanks! Those Mercenaries will make fine additions, once you have them. For now I’ll work with what I habe.
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@ Richard: Yesterday my daughter and I had some icecream and I realized that there is even a depiction for the Jolly Band. I have no idea if this has a real source, probably it’s more fiction, but this is what I’m aiming at (and hopefully one day Bloody Miniatures will produce them!).
And btw, it should be 30JK in German, but I’m not sure if anybody uses that abbreviation.
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Some very (!) fast wips, done between the end of my work and getting my daughter from the kindergarten. I need to finish metals and details.
The models are a joy to paint. Hobgoblin’s grayscale painting works very well, but gives rather dark models - I like that. As you might have guessed from the title of the thread, I consider the 30JK as a very dark and bloody period.
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They look nice. :-*
Pm and email sent. :)
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Thanks, Rui. PM answered :)
I did some more basic colors. It’s really quick, but I dont want to rush the details and now it’s family time.
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Yesterday night, I did work on my models. Using contrast paints over a preshaded mini allowed ultra quick painting. Ideal to squeeze a few metal soldiers in between my time consuming job and fatherly duties (and joys)! I managed to do nine minis by now.
The minis are a bit darker than my normal painting style, but they take only a fraction of the time to finish. Maybe with the next batch I do lighter preshading. Not sure.
I will go over the bases and add little touches here and there. Also the faces deserve some more attention (eyes etc), but overall I’m quite happy with what I managed in such a short time.
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Some more of the nearly finished models. I went for a very colorful appearance, but they so look like they’ve seen a lot of action and atrocities. Battle-worn, desillusioned, tough as nails.
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The Jolly Band sounds a great idea for a collection of figures. I really like the zenithal highlight style and contrast paint you have used - it looks really effective. (Perhasps a dark brown prime, rather than black, would alter the look as you want? Just a thought. :D )
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The Jolly Band sounds a great idea for a collection of figures. I really like the zenithal highlight style and contrast paint you have used - it looks really effective. (Perhasps a dark brown prime, rather than black, would alter the look as you want? Just a thought. :D )
Thank you! Indeed, brown (or gray) would be the experiment for the next batch of minis. Just before going to bed, I based another ten. So let‘s see.
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They look like veterans. :-*
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They look like veterans. :-*
Thanks Rui!
I couldn’t resist and did a really, really quick Oldhammer 40k model in between. That „Not-Rogue Trader“ was just based in an ivory-white tone, drybrushed white for zenital shading and contrast painted, then shaded with a thinned GW black wash. I know Bloody Miniatures aren’t that heroic in scale, but I’m surprised how good the model looks. Imho it’s okay for tabletop gaming.
So, sorry for the OT, bit next minis will be experiments with :
1 ivory undercoat,
2 brown undercoat with 1-3 layers of drybrush until white is reached
3 undercoat of a light beown contrast paint; possibly with one layer of highlights
Let’s see how that will work.
PS
It’s my daughter in the background. She going through „daddy’s toys“ … she already has a couple of space marines, a Mothra and a cerberus „borrowed“ for indefinite time.
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I like the greyscale shaded figures just as they are…I immediately thought they looked quite appropriate as “ghosts” for a silver bayonet game!
I haven’t quite sussex out what the hoopla about speed painting and contrast paints is about. I accidentally bought one bottle of contrast paint when it first came out….it’s seems just a wash, no?
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I like the greyscale shaded figures just as they are…I immediately thought they looked quite appropriate as “ghosts” for a silver bayonet game!
I haven’t quite sussex out what the hoopla about speed painting and contrast paints is about. I accidentally bought one bottle of contrast paint when it first came out….it’s seems just a wash, no?
Thanks, the greyscale figures can be done quite easily: black basecoat and drybrushes of a dark, medium and light gray and finally white. Using a medium sized brush and every drybrush lighter than the previous.
Contrast paints are much better than notmal washes. They may not be as good as the advertisement promises, but the pigments are enough to have a shade and highlight in one coat. Saves a lot of time.
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So, I tried the greyscale preshading a bit different. I wanted to go for a subtle sepia tone. Going for the Errol Flynn movies of my youth.
This model, another one of the excellent Bloody Miniatures, was glued to its base, that was sanded, then everything was basecoated with Contrast Snakebite Leather - I realized the Contrast paints are quite good for that.
I tried basecoating soft plastic directly after that, but it didn’t work at all. Good old metal, however, is your friend and saves you a lot of time.
Then a dirty drybrush of an ivory white color (don’t remember exact name, something from GW with witch or wytch in it - and pallid!), after that a controlled drybrush with Vallejo white.
Then come the contrast paints. Base just in Militarum green, the rest how I like it. Metals with a GW iron base color, black and brown wash where necessary. Very, very quick.
Here’s the result.
Edit: I’m considering doing some more highlights and details, but overall I’m happy with the results. Base will need some more extras, but I’ll do that once I have some more models finished.
Question: I lile this one betrer than thr grayscale ones, but what do sou think?
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Yes, I think he looks a bit brighter :)
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Yes, I think he looks a bit brighter :)
Thanks Richard. I’ll do another couple of models in the evening. I may have to learn how to photograph these beauties better, but painting the (up to my humble abilities) is a real joy!
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He looks great. :-*
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Very nice DivisMal👍. The contrast on this one looks less extreme, and overall it has a warmer tone, if that makes sense :) . I prefer it.
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Thank you Rui and General Haig,
I’m currently running a couple of miniatures through the procedure!
Am really excited about the first battles. For a start, I’m gonna go for SoBH.
It lacks single player rules, though!
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How about using FLASHING STEEL also from Ganesha?
I think it is better than SoBH for this period and it uses the same mechanism.
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How about using FLASHING STEEL also from Ganesha?
I think it is better than SoBH for this period and it uses the same mechanism.
Of course! That might be a very good option. Afaik, they did some interesting things with the engine and added period-specific weapons and the like!
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Great progress. The later figure is definitely brighter, and comes out better. But the first batch do say 30YW far more to me in their very dark gritty look.
The last figure looks much more of a noble or similar, whereas the first lot look like hard bitten soldiers. Which means you can use both styles of undercoating to get different looks. I’ve certainly found contrast paints give quite different looks with fairly subtle differences in undercoat, so very interested in the results you are getting.
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Great progress. The later figure is definitely brighter, and comes out better. But the first batch do say 30YW far more to me in their very dark gritty look.
The last figure looks much more of a noble or similar, whereas the first lot look like hard bitten soldiers. Which means you can use both styles of undercoating to get different looks. I’ve certainly found contrast paints give quite different looks with fairly subtle differences in undercoat, so very interested in the results you are getting.
Thank you Fred!
I’ve speed painted another couple of miniatures this evening. This time with brown undercoats. I’m still struggling with taking good photos with my mobile, but it’s already quite impressive how different both groups look.
I think, I’ll follow your advice and start doing different undercoats and shading for different types of warbands.
Already there’s enough for Flashing Steel (and En Garde), but ultimately I’d love to play Pikeman’s Lament and Donnybrook with them. In that case, different undercoats might alos nicely help to visualize unit coherency.
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A group shot of the members of the Jolly Band so far.
These are the models on which I used the black/greyscale basecoat - the guy in the middle, who is significantly brighter was basecoated with a leather tone and drybrushed in white, but otherwise uses the same colors.
Bases not finished, possibly some details desirable.
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Some local nobles fallen from grace. Three times it’s been ten years; the country and people have been ravaged.
Plus: a river boat (Freebooter miniatures) and some plants (Dunkeldorf miniatures) I did en passant. Not sure for what.
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WiPs on the second group, that was basecoated with a leather tone and then drybrushed twice. Hope to get these guys finished tonight.
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You’re getting through these fast! :)
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You’re getting through these fast! :)
Thanks, Richard. Itthe obly way that’s currently possible for me. Kindergarten in the rural areas are still a shame, here. Just yesterday at noon we we’re told that today and tomorrow they’ll only be able to work half-shifts. Meaning for the umpteens time in the last 2 years we need to reschedule jobs…
Well the preshade quickpaint method certainly doesn’t give as nice results as the normal shade and highlight method, but it’s a neat way for me to get some models ready for the tabletop.
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I had a little time and worked on some more Bloody Miniatures. I should have enough soon for a couple of skirmishes around the Wählig Rott.
For larger battles, I’ll need some Danish troops and then of course the Catholics.
Here are some more minis painted with a leather brown basecoat. They’re remarkably brighter than the grayscale miniatures. The next batch will be grayscale again, but I’ll try with gray instead of black for the deepest shadows.
The guy with the cane is a very characterful Bloody Miniature; I really like him. Probably a wealthy citizen of Nienburg who doesn’t want the Imperial Army to plunder his lands. The other guy will be his partner or can also serve as a character in skirmishes.
At some point I might add some more highlights and do the eyes, but at the moment there is not enough time for that.
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Another couple of quick paintjobs done after bringing my daughter to bed.
Obediah Marsh, owner of a small shipping company based at the North Sea coast. Said to have become rich from his travels to the southern seas. His face is so great, he can easily be an Innsmouth hybrid.
A rather cautious duellist. Nice sculpt.
A swordsman using a longsword as well as a dagger. Also very nice to paint.
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Nice ones. :-* :-*
Keep em coming. :)
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Nice ones. :-* :-*
Keep em coming. :)
Thanks, Rui.
The next batch will be a lighter grayscale attempt. I hope to do a bit on Sunday.
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You are cracking through them Florian :)
It’s interesting to see the different effects achieved with the different base coat methods.
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You are cracking through them Florian :)
It’s interesting to see the different effects achieved with the different base coat methods.
The models are quite enjoyable to paint. Everyone has some really cool twist or tells astory, I like that. And I do like experimenting with contrast paints; it’s good to realize that also with very constrained time budgets it’s possible to finish some minis. Finally I need to be ready for those Scots you’re producing!!! lol lol lol
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In kilt and broadswords/daggers/targes too. :D
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I didn’t manage to do a lot during the weekend. There was actually the annual shooting company competition accompanied by drinks and a little fare.
I did some field research there (really!) and apart from finding a whole company masked as the Jolly Band (and wearing musketeeresque clothes instead of the traditional shooting company uniforms), they even had Tilly‘s tent (well obviously a cheap 21st century remake) included.
Anyway, I basecoated my next batch of minis. This time I‘ll try just ivory+brown wash for some miniatures from the Anno 1666 boardgame (nice sculpts, but made in awful plastic) and Blood miniatures basecoated in dark gray and highlighted with medium gray, light gray, blueish light gray and white. Let’s see how this will go!