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Miniatures Adventure => Interwar => Topic started by: commissarmoody on 16 October 2009, 03:11:36 AM
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hello ever one, once agine I am thinking of geting into Freikorps action.
I am thinking of useing some of the GreatWar mins light kits germans with a few stormtroopers to flush out the rank in file and add a bunch of supporting kit. like light arty MGs and stuff.
I want to do the stuff in germany it self at the moment as opposed to the actions in the poland. Lithuania, and lativa. mostly becase I dont want to buy a whole range of RCW figes at the moment.
That being said, I need some help bulding up the militia forces that opposed the Freikorp.
I was thinking a bunch of the musketeer IRA and VBCW figes will work for Spartacists and other groups. Just snip the heads of the ones with brodie helments.
Also I was thinking of snaging some German salors for repasent the the peoples naval divison.
I was wondering any ones thoughts or ideas on this. were there any other uniformed forces that opposed the Freikorps? any and all imfo will be a great help.
From what I understand, most of the anit freikorp forces in germany would not were helments becase they reprasented the old goverment. is this true? If not I would also like some examples of them also.
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Hi, I'm looking at a reproductio0n of a photo purporting to show Spartakists defending the Berlin newspaper quarter in 1919; one of the 12 men in the photo is obviously wearing a stahlhelm-type helmet, and another probably is; 4 others seem to be wearing a variety of military caps. One or two others may be wearing what I can only discribe as 'railwayman's caps' - peaked, soft, somewhat large, dark (blue, maybe?). Two others seem to be wearing trilby or homburg type civilian hats. At least one guy seems to be in a suit, and (at least) two of the others could be too. One chap, seemingly wearing a railwayman's hat, seems to be in an overcoat.
Four of the men - both those wearing helmets and two of those wearing military caps - seem to be wearing greatcoats, three apparently of leather. The two others wearing military caps may have uniform jackets on. It looks like the guy in the officer's cap with the leather greatcoat may have decoration his cap. Otherwise I can't see nay badges or insignia at all - not even the traditional red handkercheif tied round the arm.
There's no photocredit for this picture that I can find, so whether it really is Spartakists, or in Berlin, or 1919, is impossible to say with certainty. It's in a book called "Germany from Revolution to Counter-revolution" by Rob Sewell, published by Fortress Books.
I'll try to dig out more, but I don't have a working scanner I'm afriad, so I'll just have to describe them to you.
I'd have thought that some Spanish War figs might serve for Spartakists, the Ruhr miners, etc; my guess would be that though there would be some in uniform, many would just be ordinary workers.
UPDATE:
A quick search on google images ("Berlin 1919") turned up this:
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/redorc01/3585263417_4b6b65a8f5.jpg~original)
This was taken at almost the same time as the shot I was descibing, and shows 7 of my 12 (the pic I was describing was taken from a position behind the guy at the extreme left of this shot, half out of shot in fact); so from the left we have Homburg and possibly suit; military cap, maybe uniform jacket; leather overcoat and ?officer's cap (you can see the braid and sdecoration on my shot); military cap and ?uniform; leather overcoat and Stahlhelm; ?suit and Homburg; ?suit and what looks like a railwayman's cap on the extremem right of this photo (he's pretty much obscured by the leather overcoat and Stahlhelm guy in my shot).
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Some quick photos of my first batch of Spartakists:
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww323/Travellera/Berlin%201919/Spartakist1.png)
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww323/Travellera/Berlin%201919/Spartakist2.png)
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww323/Travellera/Berlin%201919/Spartakist3.png)
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww323/Travellera/Berlin%201919/Spartakist4.png)
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Nice stuff always love to see freikorpers and other militia like units! Please complete your freikorps and show us some pictures :D
Greets, the Belgian
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With a force of just Freikorps you could do the Kapp Putsch. The Freikorps player puts his figures on the table. The other player (representing the German workers) goes on strike and refuses to play, sitting on the floor next to the gaming table and occasionally chanting left-wing slogans. He does this until the Freikorps player gets bored and goes home, and thus the Weimar Republic is safe for another day and the workers win. Hurrah!
Sorry. :)
(I always think Wolfgang Kapp looks like a Tintin villain. He'd be perfect running around the grounds of Marlinspike at night in a raincoat and with a pistol.)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/200.jpg)
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I would use a wild mix of Musketeer ,Angilan ,GreatWar mins and Artizan figures for the left-wing troopers .
For the Freikorp I would use GreatWar mins.
But what would you use for Police Units and Reichswehr ?
I also think about a Freikorp game but my bigest problem is Terrain .
I mean you need a citty !!
any Ideas ?what terrain you are using ?
@: Plynkes good joke !! lol lol
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Talking about villains....here is a WIP photo of a villain that will make Kapp look like a schoolgirl, on his way to make a beerhall putsch...
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww323/Travellera/Berlin%201919/WIPVillain.png)
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I have been grappling with the terrain question for a year now and solved it with Battleworks Berlin ruins combined with Skrapwelders Victorian buildings filled out with a few from Hovels. Now its only the painting left...
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Very nice, Traveller.
Perry Miniatures has a small range of Boer Wars figs that look very useful.
Here's are my spartakists. All Brigade Games figs. The biggest problem is finding good soldiers in winterclothes or citizens in the right headdress.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/armee.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/citizens.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/volksmarinedivision.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/spartakusbund.jpg)
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Battleworks Berlin ruins , Skrapwelders Victorian buildings do yo have a link ?
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With a force of just Freikorps you could do the Kapp Putsch. The Freikorps player puts his figures on the table. The other player (representing the German workers) goes on strike and refuses to play, sitting on the floor next to the gaming table and occasionally chanting left-wing slogans. He does this until the Freikorps player gets bored and goes home, and thus the Weimar Republic is safe for another day and the workers win. Hurrah!...
lol
I think I love you!
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Don't forget Cannon Fodder Miniatures, now available from Blaze Away in Australia:
http://www.blazeaway.com.au/Kameraden!.htm
Those may not be the best looking figures, but the sets of reds and freikorps would add a lot of scruffy individual character figures to your street scenes of revolutionary Germany.
http://www.blazeaway.com.au/Kameraden!.htm
(Hmm, that link didn't load right... )
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http://www.battleworksstudios.com/catalog/index.php
take a look at his site: http://www.rotanddrivel.com/whitechapel-project.htm
and PM Skrapwelder
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With a force of just Freikorps you could do the Kapp Putsch. The Freikorps player puts his figures on the table. The other player (representing the German workers) goes on strike and refuses to play, sitting on the floor next to the gaming table and occasionally chanting left-wing slogans. He does this until the Freikorps player gets bored and goes home, and thus the Weimar Republic is safe for another day and the workers win. Hurrah!
lol
Sadly enough, this reminds me of a couple of Warhampster40k games I´ve seen.
(I always think Wolfgang Kapp looks like a Tintin villain. He'd be perfect running around the grounds of Marlinspike at night in a raincoat and with a pistol.)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/200.jpg) (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/Herge_Colonel_Boris_1.jpg)
Q.E.D., old chap, Q.E.D.
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Of course, Colonel Boris Jorgen. I knew he reminded me of someone. In the back of my mind I was thinking of that Bordurian fellow Colonel Sponsz, but you are right. He really is Boris. :)
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I uploaded a bunch of pics on photobucket:
German Revolution and Riga (including some WW1 beutepanzer images)
http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/Spartakusbund/
And a couple of armoured cars from the RCW. No idea were I found them years ago, nor which area their from:
http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/Spartakusbund/RCW/
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Thanks for the inspiring photographs. :o Need to build some citybuildings!
greets the Belgian,
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But what would you use for Police Units and Reichswehr ?
I think that a good substitude for polizei units would be the west winds eastern europe politzi pack GH00034
http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=2_19&products_id=60
as for reichswehr: I think that WW1 germans might fill the gap
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I have been grappling with the terrain question for a year now and solved it with Battleworks Berlin ruins combined with Skrapwelders Victorian buildings filled out with a few from Hovels. Now its only the painting left...
Don't forget Pardulon's new (and apparently growing) range of street facades (http://www.pardulon-models.com/index.php/cat/c10_Street-facades.html). Looks promising so far...
Once the Black Army E/V4 Ehrhardt goes into production, the German Revolution will be my next project! Given the evident interest in this period I still can't believe that somebody somewhere hasn't thought to start on a dedicated miniature range. I appreciate that suitable models can be sourced from here and there (that is, or course, what I shall be doing), but specific minis would certainly be nice!
After all the attire could be most interesting, as these fellows from Freikorps Werdenfels amply demonstrate:
(http://www.galleria.thule-italia.com/Arte/eber/GlonnyEber.jpg)
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Nice tip on the Pardulon! Thanks! I was only aware of the following:
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/aifrontst.htm
http://www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/
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WOW! alot has happend on this sencse I started it lol lol
Here is at least some bulding that I know of that might also work, http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=586
1920s Chicago Gangster Buildings. They should at least provide for one street.