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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: rumacara on 12 October 2022, 09:15:46 AM
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Hello all
I was trying to find some reference to coastal raids during the HYW and the nobles that took part in it but without much success so i ask for some help.
I´m after both english and french raids and small actions as well as the names involved. So far i have found information about some of the chevauchés but that involves thousands of men so i´m after the smaller ones.
Any info and ideas are welcome. :)
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Jonathan Sumption's pentalogy on the HYWE is the place to start reading:
Trial by Battle: The Hundred Years War, Vol. 1:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trial-Battle-Hundred-Years-Vol/dp/0571200958 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trial-Battle-Hundred-Years-Vol/dp/0571200958)
Hundred Years War Vol 2: Trial By Fire:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hundred-Years-War-Vol-Trial/dp/0571207375/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=0571207375&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hundred-Years-War-Vol-Trial/dp/0571207375/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=0571207375&psc=1)
Hundred Years War Vol 3: Divided Houses:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hundred-Years-War-Vol-Divided/dp/0571240127/ref=pd_bxgy_sccl_1/262-5819926-0506245?pd_rd_w=SrCYp&content-id=amzn1.sym.79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_p=79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_r=HT7F280V87NM9RG1P51W&pd_rd_wg=KWncS&pd_rd_r=fa331df9-a753-4387-b89d-ad41ac5cace9&pd_rd_i=0571240127&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hundred-Years-War-Vol-Divided/dp/0571240127/ref=pd_bxgy_sccl_1/262-5819926-0506245?pd_rd_w=SrCYp&content-id=amzn1.sym.79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_p=79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_r=HT7F280V87NM9RG1P51W&pd_rd_wg=KWncS&pd_rd_r=fa331df9-a753-4387-b89d-ad41ac5cace9&pd_rd_i=0571240127&psc=1)
Hundred Years War Vol 4: Cursed Kings:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hundred-Years-War-Vol-Cursed/dp/0571274560/ref=pd_bxgy_sccl_2/262-5819926-0506245?pd_rd_w=bpjzd&content-id=amzn1.sym.79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_p=79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_r=N0YCKY1AV7FTQ4VF7R2Y&pd_rd_wg=a9bSi&pd_rd_r=d7ae0730-524d-4ea9-8c84-ceada747fb2b&pd_rd_i=0571274560&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hundred-Years-War-Vol-Cursed/dp/0571274560/ref=pd_bxgy_sccl_2/262-5819926-0506245?pd_rd_w=bpjzd&content-id=amzn1.sym.79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_p=79b812bf-5c8b-4c0c-851c-784423adaff5&pf_rd_r=N0YCKY1AV7FTQ4VF7R2Y&pd_rd_wg=a9bSi&pd_rd_r=d7ae0730-524d-4ea9-8c84-ceada747fb2b&pd_rd_i=0571274560&psc=1)
Hundred Years War Vol 5: Let's hope he lives long enough to complete the writing!
The first four volumes of the Sumption pentalogy are easily the most thorough academic study of the social, political and military history HYW- certainly that I have ever read and I've read quite a lot.
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Darrell, thank you for the tips on the books. :)
Books are always welcome but references of those raids (webpages stating that) would be good.
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Darrell, thank you for the tips on the books. :)
Books are always welcome but references of those raids (webpages stating that) would be good.
OK.... well, the raid on Southampton by the "French" is what arguably kicked off the HYW so:
https://schoolshistory.org.uk/topics/the-french-raid-on-southampton-5th-october-1338/ (https://schoolshistory.org.uk/topics/the-french-raid-on-southampton-5th-october-1338/)
Also:
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/English_Channel_naval_campaign,_1338%E2%80%931339 (https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/English_Channel_naval_campaign,_1338%E2%80%931339)
A good old dredge through Google should offer some gems.
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Keep em coming Darrell. ;)
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Look up my namesake John Hawley of Dartmouth, he might lead you to something interesting.
Quote from Wikipedia "Hawley was both a merchant and licensed privateer though he was often accused of piracy".
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Look up my namesake John Hawley of Dartmouth, he might lead you to something interesting.
Indeed it did. The Battle of Blackpool Sands.
Thank you. I´m enjoying very much. Its exactly what i was after. :)
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Although not part of the HYW between France and England, I've wanted to do a one man Crusade of Marshal Boucicaut on the coast of the Black Sea. I think it would be interesting and is in the same era lol
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I’d recommend ‘Invasion’ by Duncan Cameron:
https://www.waterstones.com/book/invasion/duncan-cameron/9781398112445
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Wiegraf, i´m sure its interesting but not what i´m after. Thanks though. :)
Levied Troop, that book seems very interesting. On my list to buy. Thank you. :)
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I also found a few more references.
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Hundred_Years_War
https://danspencer.info/2018/06/02/royal-castles-and-coastal-defence-in-the-hundred-years-war/
https://winchelsea-icklesham-churches.org.uk/winchelsea/st-thomas-history/the-french-raids/
http://sotonopedia.wikidot.com/page-browse:french-raid
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Fascinating thread! Thank you very much for starting it or contributing to it!
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Don't know if it'll fit, might be a bit late, but didn't Warwick the kingmaker act like a bit of of a pirate when he was captain at Calais. I think one of the magazines had an article on it a few years ago.
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Don't know if it'll fit, might be a bit late, but didn't Warwick the kingmaker act like a bit of of a pirate when he was captain at Calais. I think one of the magazines had an article on it a few years ago.
On a similar note, Jeanne de Clisson has a pretty interesting career of piracy and coastal raids on villages in Brittany and Normandy in the Crécy period of the war if that helps at all!
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Voltan, if you find something please place a link to the webpage or a suitable book/magazine.
HappyChappy439, i found this on wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_de_Clisson
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Not a direct link but after a quick search it was in issue 56 of wargames soldiers and stratergy, titled 'Ships, Sea and Sandwich - Warwick at Sea'. Don't have the issue anymore but you should be able to find a copy.
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I’d recommend ‘Invasion’ by Duncan Cameron:
https://www.waterstones.com/book/invasion/duncan-cameron/9781398112445
Just a note regarding this book recomended by fellow LAF member Levied Troop.
Buy it. The book is exactly a wealthy font of info regarding the several raids during the HYW plus some attempts of invading England, the economic state of both countries, their people, the damage inflicted, the allies and the plannings. A great reading highly recomended. :)
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I seem to recall such mentioned in Froissart's Chronicles. However, it is a good many years since I read it. It is the seminal work on the period and anyone really interested in the Hundred Years war should read this primary text. It is also very funny in many parts especially his descriptions of peasants and the Scots.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Froissart%27s_Chronicles
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There was a French raid on the coast of Sussex during this period ,they landed at Rottingdean burnt the church there ( you can still see the scorch marks allegedly ) before being stopped by a scratch force led by the Abbott of Lewes . I read that in an old issue of Practical Wargames now defunct . It would be a good scenario for Lion Rampant rules.
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There were a lot of raids by both sides, although the French ones die down once the entire adult male coastal population of Normandy is essentially dead or unwilling/unable to fight, on account of being continuously conscripted and dying en-masse (e.g.Sluys). Most of the French coastal raids are between 1338-1339, although the channel islands will be attacked again later on by a certain welsh pretender called Owain, who will go on to try to take over Wales, with the support of a number of French and Breton mercenaries.
Nicholas Bechuet lead the raid on Portsmouth, Guernsey, Sark, and Jersey.
Robert VIII de Bricquebec and Hugh Quieret lead a raid on Guernsey and Sark. Followed by Walcheren and Southampton.
After this point England effectively organises coastal defence militias to react promptly, walls are repaired, and the coastal cities take it seriously. Jersey, Southampton and Portsmouth are attacked again, except not successfully and now with heavy losses, as well as an attack on Harwich. Although they do successfully sack and burn the tiny village of Hastings. The French do group together and attempt an attack on the cinque ports but dont accomplish anythign except burning a few villages before being chased off, after which most of the Genoese desert. The English then return the favour and start raiding as well as providing letters of marque for local townsmen to do so, which quickly became a popular source of income. After attacking the french fleets at Bolougne and Dieppe, the battle of Sluys sets back French naval capability for the rest of the 1st phase of the war, after a failed attempt to relieve Calais, the French dont manage much else, and so resort to hiring the Castilians.
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There was a French raid on the coast of Sussex during this period ,they landed at Rottingdean burnt the church there ( you can still see the scorch marks allegedly ) before being stopped by a scratch force led by the Abbott of Lewes . I read that in an old issue of Practical Wargames now defunct . It would be a good scenario for Lion Rampant rules.
Wasn't there an article about this raid in a WSS some years ago?
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Interesting question, I never much thought about it.
In the first part of the HYW, after Sluys, France was not a powerful naval power. Brittany was in civil war 1341-1364 and not much pro-French for long after. Parts of northern Normandy were hostile too in the early HYW, belonging to Charles of Navarre, etc.
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Indeed it did. The Battle of Blackpool Sands.
Thank you. I´m enjoying very much. Its exactly what i was after. :)
Fought with sticks of rock?
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There was a French raid on the coast of Sussex during this period ,they landed at Rottingdean burnt the church there ( you can still see the scorch marks allegedly ) before being stopped by a scratch force led by the Abbott of Lewes . I read that in an old issue of Practical Wargames now defunct . It would be a good scenario for Lion Rampant rules.
If anyone is interested, I can send them a scan of the Rottingdean Lion Rampant scenario that I wrote for WSS 89 some years ago. DM me your email address.
Wasn't there an article about this raid in a WSS some years ago?
Yes :D
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If anyone is interested, I can send them a scan of the Rottingdean Lion Rampant scenario that I wrote for WSS 89 some years ago. DM me your email address.
Yes :D
Copyright?
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Copyright?
Mine, as far as I can tell. A text document can be provided instead if required.
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Mine, as far as I can tell. A text document can be provided instead if required.
Ah, apologies, I didn't realise you were the author.
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No prob :D