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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: olicana on 02 November 2022, 03:27:10 PM
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I want to do a bit of general research into this conflict. Originally I thought about doing the Sudan as my 'Colonial Escapade' but, before I take the plunge I thought I'd better take a look at the Anglo Sikh Wars.
So, I'd like pointers to a page-turning, easy to read general history / overview (to get my bearings), a similar book but more meaty to read after it, and a few books which detail the basic OOB and uniforms (the latter being important because if it happens it will be a miniatures collection, after all).
Also, if it's not too much trouble, suggestions on 28mm manufacturers. The collection will probably end up as substantial as the rest (2000+) so I don't mind a collection being eclectic to get [almost] everything to make the conflict 'campaignable'.
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I recommend At Them With The Bayonet by Donald Featherstone. Its out of print but you should be able to pick up a second hand copy.
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Check out Helion and Co Publishing:
The Rise of the Sikh Soldier, The Sikh Warrior through the ages, c1700-1900, Gurinder Singh Mann:
https://www.helion.co.uk/military-history-books/the-rise-of-the-sikh-soldier-the-sikh-warrior-through-the-ages-c1700-1900.php?sid=da1ff14de556cfec79289735085f8933 (https://www.helion.co.uk/military-history-books/the-rise-of-the-sikh-soldier-the-sikh-warrior-through-the-ages-c1700-1900.php?sid=da1ff14de556cfec79289735085f8933)
(https://www.helion.co.uk/images/books/i2/helion1001199.jpg)
The British and the Sikhs : Discovery, Warfare and Friendship c1700-1900
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The British and the Sikhs, Discovery, Warfare and Friendship c1700-1900, Gurinder Singh Mann:
https://www.helion.co.uk/series/from-musket-to-maxim-1815-1914.php?sid=da1ff14de556cfec79289735085f8933 (https://www.helion.co.uk/series/from-musket-to-maxim-1815-1914.php?sid=da1ff14de556cfec79289735085f8933)
https://www.helion.co.uk/images/books/i2/helion1000802.jpg (https://www.helion.co.uk/images/books/i2/helion1000802.jpg)
Osprey do an outline in their Essential Histories series.
The First Anglo-Sikh War 1845–46: The betrayal of the Khalsa:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Anglo-Sikh-War-1845-46-betrayal/dp/147283447X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=261VNKR9KYKRS&keywords=anglo+sikh+war&qid=1667405366&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjAwIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=books&sprefix=anglo+sikh+war%2Cstripbooks%2C69&sr=1-3 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/First-Anglo-Sikh-War-1845-46-betrayal/dp/147283447X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=261VNKR9KYKRS&keywords=anglo+sikh+war&qid=1667405366&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIwLjAwIiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&s=books&sprefix=anglo+sikh+war%2Cstripbooks%2C69&sr=1-3)
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91+Pwz67nAL.jpg)
All good starting points
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I learned everything I know about the war from Flashy. Not sure he's exactly unbiased, but he's very entertaining. :)
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I learned everything I know about the war from Flashy. Not sure he's exactly unbiased, but he's very entertaining. :)
There is some truth in that lol
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Ok I have to ask, what is happening here?
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Ok I have to ask, what is happening here?
Tiffin
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I recommend At Them With The Bayonet by Donald Featherstone. Its out of print but you should be able to pick up a second hand copy.
+1
I have a signed copy ( turns out my Grandad played bowls with Don once and end up with a signed copy of his book which I inherited) and it's a very good and enjoyable read.
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The Osprey is a good introduction. Amarpal Singh’s 2 books on the Wars are essential in depth accounts. HCB Cook’s “The Sikh Wars” is older but a good overview. Flashman is a must-read.
For figures, the new Iron Duke range (sold by Empress) promises to be the definitive collection, if he covers the Wars to the same level as his earlier Mutiny collection - which also has some useful packs.
Can’t remember who now carries the Studio Miniatures range - started well but the sculpting of some of the later packs (especially the cavalry) wasn’t so good. The Wargames Foundry Sikh Wars range are mainly ‘true 25’s’, though their later Tribal Warriors are closer to 28mm and offer additional Irregular/Afghan types
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For figures, the new Iron Duke range (sold by Empress) promises to be the definitive collection, if he covers the Wars to the same level as his earlier Mutiny collection - which also has some useful packs.
Agreed. The Iron Duke range for the Sikh Wars are absolutely superb (and their superb The Orange River, the GAPS, the Indian Mutiny ranges!)
Can’t remember who now carries the Studio Miniatures range - started well but the sculpting of some of the later packs (especially the cavalry) wasn’t so good. The Wargames Foundry Sikh Wars range are mainly ‘true 25’s’, though their later Tribal Warriors are closer to 28mm and offer additional Irregular/Afghan types
Bicorne Miniatures are now the proud vendors of the Studio miniatures Sikh Wars range:
https://www.bicorne.net/acatalog/Sikh-Wars.html (https://www.bicorne.net/acatalog/Sikh-Wars.html)
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Hey Olicana Lad, I am a fair way through a Sikh Wars collection in 28mm.
The very best books for me are The two by Amarpal Singh, The First Anglo-Sikh War and (surprise!) The Second Anglo-Sikh War, loads of detail, the second War really got my imagination with large battles of thousands of troops with just 2 Europeans, the commander being a Lieutenant.
Anyway for Figures the best by far are Iron Duke/Empress, they mix well with Foundry surprisingly so this gives you lots to go at. Studio Miniatures have a decent range taller than the others so wont mix in units but fine side by side. Lots of other troops you can mix in.
You will find a few example units on my blog here if its helpful: https://gapagnw.blogspot.com/
Just go to Labels for Sikh Wars, example here https://gapagnw.blogspot.com/2021/11/more-bahawalpur-contingent-baluchi.html
Not gaming with them enough as I haven't found rules I am happy with so look forward to any results you might have, Far more interesting than Sudan!
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Yeah, Amarpal Singh Sidhu's two books are the ones you want.
There is loads of uniform detail available on blogs including mine and elsewhere via a google search.
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The Osprey on the Sikh army covers recruitment and organization, not tactics. It's decent enough on the topics it does deal with.
(https://ospreypublishing.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/958def80b7ce809d46640f86aa46835c/9/7/9781841767772_1.jpg)
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Yeah, Amarpal Singh Sidhu's two books are the ones you want.
There is loads of uniform detail available on blogs including mine and elsewhere via a google search.
Can you post or message me the link for your blog?
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Hey Olicana Lad, I am a fair way through a Sikh Wars collection in 28mm.
The very best books for me are The two by Amarpal Singh, The First Anglo-Sikh War and (surprise!) The Second Anglo-Sikh War, loads of detail, the second War really got my imagination with large battles of thousands of troops with just 2 Europeans, the commander being a Lieutenant.
Anyway for Figures the best by far are Iron Duke/Empress, they mix well with Foundry surprisingly so this gives you lots to go at. Studio Miniatures have a decent range taller than the others so wont mix in units but fine side by side. Lots of other troops you can mix in.
You will find a few example units on my blog here if its helpful: https://gapagnw.blogspot.com/
Just go to Labels for Sikh Wars, example here https://gapagnw.blogspot.com/2021/11/more-bahawalpur-contingent-baluchi.html
Not gaming with them enough as I haven't found rules I am happy with so look forward to any results you might have, Far more interesting than Sudan!
I haven't tried working out battle gaming rules, as I want to try small skirmish / RPG-ing with my figures. But based on the Amirpal book on the Second S War, I would suggest:
1. Sikh regulars have high morale and equivalent musketry to British European units. And better morale and musketry than sepoy units.
2. Sikh regulars might not be as maneuverable. This is based on their choice to always defend fixed positions.
3. Sikh garrison and feudal troops use matchlocks and have a slow rare of fire. These troops have shakier morale and cannot maneuver at all. They can just hold positions.
4. Gorchurra is not controllable. They may charge or simply remain at the halt depending on dice roll. If charged, they can either melee (with a higher melee value than British cavalry btw) or simply disintegrate, depending on dice roll. You can give them advantages in skirmishing, reconnaissance and looting. They were probably far better than British cavalry at those things.
5. Not sure how much regular cavalry the Sikhs had or whether it was much better than the Gorchurra.
6. You could also add in rules about the Sikh irregulars responding well to a charismatic leader and melting away if he is killed. It would seem the sort of thing that feudal levies would be prone to do.
7. Throw in rules about Sikh and Sikh-allied leaders being bribe-able or just daft at times. If Sirdar Jagbir Singh the Lion of Amritsar rolls a 6, he simply rides off the table leaving his feudal troops with no orders - THAT sort of thing.
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I've also considered acquiring this fine vessel and using the Empress RN gun crew to crew her and launching naval operations along the Sutlej.
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Sorry Huevans, I just caught up with this thread. My blog is at:
https://youdonotknowthenorth.blogspot.com
Just hit the Sikh Wars tag.
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https://www.amazon.ca/Battle-Tactics-War-Manoeuvres-Sikhs/dp/1642490059/ref=pd_rhf_d_dp_s_pd_crcd_sccl_2_4/131-6754427-8223035?pd_rd_w=NNR3L&content-id=amzn1.sym.1b9d0658-b850-412d-a11e-3983b11a04c6&pf_rd_p=1b9d0658-b850-412d-a11e-3983b11a04c6&pf_rd_r=ENARAN1H0RZPAKQ4X6WM&pd_rd_wg=dvZjB&pd_rd_r=6e0ea8bd-1fd9-4b2f-b48e-731999031696&pd_rd_i=1642490059&psc=1