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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: vtsaogames on 25 January 2023, 10:36:55 PM

Title: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: vtsaogames on 25 January 2023, 10:36:55 PM: Went to a musuem today and saw some pretty things https://corlearshookfencibles.blogspot.com/2023/01/ancient-weapons-and-helmet-from-balkans.html (https://corlearshookfencibles.blogspot.com/2023/01/ancient-weapons-and-helmet-from-balkans.html)
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Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: trev on 25 January 2023, 11:27:51 PM: Impressive. Those swords and axe heads look surprisingly like iron. I assume they are all bronze.
Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: tikitang on 26 January 2023, 03:01:12 AM: Even the helmet is wearing a helmet!
Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: vtsaogames on 26 January 2023, 03:57:39 AM: Quote from: trev on 25 January 2023, 11:27:51 PM
Impressive. Those swords and axe heads look surprisingly like iron. I assume they are all bronze.

The weapons are Bronze, many of them cast. The helmet is silver with gilt. Note it has evil eye rotection.
Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: trev on 26 January 2023, 01:41:27 PM: Thanks. I thought the colour was unexpected. I would imagine something more like this. I wonder if it is just the age.

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Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: vtsaogames on 27 January 2023, 01:31:32 PM: I thought it was iron at first sight. But the museum text and the graduate student both said bronze. Perhaps not all bronze is the color we think.
Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: Irregular Wars Nic on 03 March 2023, 01:58:19 PM: Quote from: trev on 26 January 2023, 01:41:27 PM
Thanks. I thought the colour was unexpected. I would imagine something more like this. I wonder if it is just the age.

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No, it looks like patinated bronze which can be dark green or even black. When bronze oxidises it develops a stable patina which inhibits further oxidisation - that is why bronze tends to be preserved better in achaeological contexts, where iron just rusts away.

If the patina on the bronze was removed, it would stay a shiny 'bronze' colour for awhile, but then the new surface would oxidise again and you'd be back to having a dark patina.
Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: Irregular Wars Nic on 03 March 2023, 01:59:17 PM: Also... I LOVE that Thracian helmet! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Ancient Balkan Weapons and Helmet
Post by: trev on 03 March 2023, 07:40:39 PM: Quote from: Irregular Wars Nic on 03 March 2023, 01:58:19 PM
No, it looks like patinated bronze which can be dark green or even black. When bronze oxidises it develops a stable patina which inhibits further oxidisation - that is why bronze tends to be preserved better in achaeological contexts, where iron just rusts away.

If the patina on the bronze was removed, it would stay a shiny 'bronze' colour for awhile, but then the new surface would oxidise again and you'd be back to having a dark patina.

Interesting. Thanks for the explanation.

PS The helmet is amazing.