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Title: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Harry Faversham on 25 July 2023, 11:46:16 AM

It's the first time I've sold anything since they had a parting of the ways with Paypal... nightmare!  :o
You know have to give 'em yer bank details, and Fleabay sends it direct to your bank. I sold two collections of ACW figures Friday afternoon, and was assured the dosh would be in my account, for kickoff today. I'm currently having a very frustrating morning, chasing the bastards up for mi' dosh!
Worse part though, I'm messing one of our sellers about in the Bazaar, who's got a bunch of toys I want!

:-[  >:(  :-[

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: modelwarrior on 25 July 2023, 12:16:04 PM

Not sure on the mechanics of fleabay but its usually 2 working days. So Wednesday should see your funds released ?

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Daeothar on 25 July 2023, 12:18:32 PM

I try to avoid it altogether these days. As a buyer, but most certainly as a seller! The golden era of Ebay has long been gone I fear.

Regional/local marketplaces have become much more interesting, but the offerings are generally slimmer, so it's more a case of checking in regularly to see if there's anything of interest instead of hunting for that one item you're after...  :?

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Harry Faversham on 25 July 2023, 12:33:02 PM

Well, they do say yer never to 'owd to learn. Today's lesson, never again!

 :o

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Khusru2 on 25 July 2023, 05:14:41 PM

I haven't bought or sold anything on there since the policy change. I don't like the choice restriction.
I realise they want to maximise a return on the site, but it it reduces sales too much it isn't good for them, the sellers or the buyers.

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Harry Faversham on 25 July 2023, 05:22:42 PM

Still waiting, the bastards have sent two few pence payments to my bank account. No dosh till I tell them how much, to confirm it's me...
joy of fookin' joys, Natwest won't show 'em in online wanking till tommorow morning!
Wondering if fleabay's been taken over by Blacktree Designs!!!
 >:(

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Storm Wolf on 25 July 2023, 07:29:52 PM

Harry,

Thanks for the heads up, will not be using evilbay anytime soon  >:( lol

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on 25 July 2023, 09:42:10 PM

I’ve got a ton of stuff I’d like to sell but got put off using eBay for various reasons including the payment system. Wish I could find a suitable alternative. I tried Facebook but I just can’t get to grips with the selling groups on there - I’ve never really understood FB - it seems terribly convoluted and clunky. Which leaves things like the LAF bazaar which is simple and effective. But, here’s the thing. I never have a clue how much to ask for stuff. An example turned up today. I found half a dozen metal GW Terminators (I think that’s what they’re called) that I bought for Space Hulk about 30 years ago. So, are these two a penny or greatly sought after? I’ve no idea. At least with eBay they’d have found their own level.

Woe is me :)

Doug

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Elbows on 25 July 2023, 09:57:41 PM

You can still use eBay to simply establish the market value of your stuff - though it's tougher to distinguish the idiots/computerized values from the real ones.

While I dislike eBay, the system is just as easy as it was prior, but connecting your bank account is annoying.  My funds are generally in my bank within the normal 48 hour window.

While you used to pay a fee for PayPal and a fee for eBay...you now simply pay a larger fee to eBay, so the total lost is roughly the same, if slightly higher.

One thing I find immensely useful via eBay - however - is the ability to ship things.  You get a discount on shipping, and they produce the label for your, etc.  Having my own scale/labels at home, I do a lot of eBay selling and simply package it all up and drop it in the night drop box at 0200, with no traffic or people to wait behind.  That alone is pretty convenient (and saves you money over shipping from the post office).

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: FifteensAway on 25 July 2023, 11:52:26 PM

Well, won't work for many of you but my 'solution' is to host a 'swap meet' 'yard sale' on a given Saturday in September and get the word out to the greater portion of the historical gaming community in Northern California.  My limits as the host is let me know you are coming, limit your stuff for sale to historical miniatures and related buildings and terrain and books, minimize fantasy, sci-fi, and board games (the latter are well catered to by the local shop swap meets). 

For those not in the know, a swap meet is many people setting up a table to sell their stuff to the interested buyers who show.  Plenty of pre-day marketing within the gaming community underway with much more to come as the date gets closer (sandwiched between two conventions).

Ebay = Evil bay works very well for me.  My experience is they side with the seller over the buyer even when the buyer is straight up dishonest.  Granted, limited sample but it only takes one bad experience to dump them.  [had a seller state a DVD would play in US but when it arrived it did not and said on package it would not - eBay wouldn't to 'Jack sh*t' about it so, as far as I know, eBay no longer exists.

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Harry Faversham on 26 July 2023, 07:02:57 AM

Quote from: Elbows on 25 July 2023, 09:57:41 PM

You can still use eBay to simply establish the market value of your stuff.

From now on that's all I'll ever use it for. Then I'll knock summat off Fleabay values, and bung my stuff on here.
 :)

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: tikitang on 26 July 2023, 07:39:23 AM

My experience was that if you sell something for the first time using the "new" (it's been around for a little while now) procedure, it takes a few days to get paid. This is because the payment system waits until the buyer receives the goods, to ensure you're a trustworthy seller.

But, then, after a successful transaction, the system "trusts" you and you get paid much more quickly. I have no problem with the system now, though I did prefer the PayPal arrangement, as things were more instantaneous.

Also, I think I had to update my bank details in the Payments settings to ensure the new system worked.

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: armchairgeneral on 26 July 2023, 09:01:03 AM

I was put off for a while by the change from PayPal to bank details but once I when ahead and made the transition which was I bit irksome it just seems the same as it was. I just find it convenient as most things sell eventually, though I don't sell a lot.

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: modelwarrior on 26 July 2023, 09:13:47 AM

Fleabay has its uses but its also a royal pain in the arse. Its perfect for finding that rare item but as a seller and buyer its screwed. An example situation I have had to deal with, a while back:

I bought a phone charger docking station(about £15) for a BT phone from a powerseller(somebody who had positive feedback of over 30K,a model seller in ebays eyes). After a week no sign of the item so messaged the seller asking for an eta ? No answer after 2 days so messaged again and again with no answer.

At this point I noticed that the super positive feedback of the seller had gone a horrible shade of red and on further reading over a period of a week thousands of people failed to get thier goods  for which they had paid for :o .

Basically the seller had gone bust,but was still taking orders. Thus everybody was leaving negative feedback including me,but this is where ebay goes pear shape. The seller who had been suspended while fleaby investigated left negative feedback for every single buyer. I like everybody else complained as it was unfair and a lie and demanded it be removed. Fleabay then terminates the sellers account for obvious reasons but because the seller has been removed he cannot dispute the feedback complaints against him so the feedback stays to this day o_o on my account and every other person that got scammed.

Finally to add insult to injury the same seller started a new account the following day after being baned/terminated with exactly the same name but with a letter "S" on the end >:D

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Belligerentparrot on 26 July 2023, 09:24:13 AM

Harry, I second the poster above who mentions that after the first sales, ebay releases the cash pretty promptly. But a further downside of ebay now is that if you don't pay to promote your item in searches, it doesn't get as much visibility as you might expect.

While I'm griping, I also usually hate selling on forums/FB. Astonishing how many time-wasters there are who agree a price, then back out or try to endlessly haggle.

Thank the gods for Lead Adventure, where folk are not that way inclined (in my experience)! This forum really is one of the nice places on the internet  :-*

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: ced1106 on 26 July 2023, 09:50:33 AM

fwiw, Noble Knight does store credit. Depends on why you're selling.

BGG 2021 NK thread: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2624325/noble-knight-trade-experience

Our local game store, Game Kastle, does flea markets. I was actually able to pick up a lot of bargains when I came in early to share a table with some friends. Funny how much stuff you bring back when you're trying to make space in the gaming closet. :D

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Daeothar on 26 July 2023, 10:31:42 AM

Quote from: ced1106 on 26 July 2023, 09:50:33 AM

Funny how much stuff you bring back when you're trying to make space in the gaming closet. :D

That is so painfully accurate...  lol

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: dwbullock on 26 July 2023, 02:43:43 PM

I've used Nobleknight a lot for store credit.  Was easier to simply sell them stuff than to deal with anyone else - I sold board games, lot of Zombicide stuff, etc.  They often buy lesser valued stuff, as long as you have something good to package with it.  Nobody wants Bob the Zombie, but Bob the Zombie PLUS Bobby the Zombie, and you're in business....

eBay, once I linked banks, had no issue.  I just notice things don't sell as well, or as often, or even for realistic prices.  Their 'categories' have also gone kind of nuts.  I used to buy a lot of O Scale terrain, but finding it now is a pain in the ass.

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Harry Faversham on 26 July 2023, 05:29:16 PM

Quote from: tikitang on 26 July 2023, 07:39:23 AM

My experience was that if you sell something for the first time using the "new" (it's been around for a little while now) procedure, it takes a few days to get paid. This is because the payment system waits until the buyer receives the goods, to ensure you're a trustworthy seller.

But, then, after a successful transaction, the system "trusts" you and you get paid much more quickly.

Wot a complete load 'o bollocks!
I waft off five hundred quid's worth of toys, fleabay pats me on the melon, and says 'good boy', we'll send you yer dosh for 'em sometime soon!
Yer, right!
 lol

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: tikitang on 26 July 2023, 06:11:11 PM

Yes, that's how it works the first time you use the post-PayPal payment system.

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: Kikuchiyo on 27 July 2023, 08:43:14 PM

I can't even verify my phone number so I gave up

Title: Re: What the frigg's 'appening with Fleabay!!!???
Post by: forrester on 27 July 2023, 10:09:52 PM

Ive done a lot of selling on E Bay this year, its been ok for me. The time lag for getting paid seems to be day or two.  Maybe there are better ways to sell, but its a familiar system , and you reach a wide market. I just dont have the time to mess about with private sales.
Only had one instance where a buyer just didnt pay, and while as a seller I could relist the item it was a wasted week and there was no apparent sanction against him.  Id always thought a bid was a bid and youd be in trouble.   
Im ok with the money going direct to my bank, there was I think more delay when it had to clear Paypal before being available to move elsewhere.
It would have been good to have the choice.