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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Easy E on August 01, 2023, 06:57:36 PM
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Faithful readers, you recall that my big project for 2023 was to create the forces for a Battle of Kadesh scenario with my post-production rules; In Strife and Conflict. Of course, it took me a while to get this project started as I needed to first decide on a project!
Once decided, I quickly went to work and ordered a Hittite and an Egyptian force from Baccus 6mm and some 60mm x 60mm bases to put them on. I have to admit, ordering from across the pond and getting through the Brexit blockades took a bit longer than I expected. However, the models all made it through and looked great. To give you an idea of the size of this order below is a picture of the Egyptian army all bagged up!
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Of course, the Hittite side is just as large! This armies are going to look the part once they hit the table. The Egyptian force was estimated to be about 16K infantry and 2K chariots! The Hittites had even more chariots at the battle, with ranges from 2.5K to 10K chariots! Then there was another 16-25K infantry too. For an ancient battle, those are some large armies!
Now, In Strife and Conflict is naturally a scale and model agnostic game. It is unit-vs-unit, so the basing doesn't matter too much. I really like the look of 60mm x 60mm bases in these Unit-vs-unit games as the units look great and are easy to move all on 1 base. However, the rules themselves don't care. A unit, is a unit, is a unit. Therefore, I began to sort my Egyptians into their respective units and bases prior to painting. I wanted to get a feel for the size of the army once it was complete.
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That, is a lot of units! Plus, each base could have between 30-56 minis on it. That means we are looking at around 884 minis! Thankfully, painting a 6mm mini is very different than a 28mm mini.
This give the Egyptians the following force org:
3 Light Chariots
1 Elite Sherden Guard
2 Spearmen units
4 Mixed spearmen/archer units
2 Axemen units
2 Mixed Axeman/Archer support
4 Bow armed skirmish units
6 Archers
You can get a really close look on how I tackle painting 6mm armies on my blog. You can even see some of the first finished units too. If you are inclined, you can read up on the Battle of Kadesh launch here:
http://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2023/07/in-strife-and-conflict-battle-of-kadesh.html
Eventually, I want to host the Battle of Kadesh as a set of demo games for the local community to introduce Ancient History, wargaming, and Blood and Spectacles to a wide range of people in the community. The venues will be local art stores, libraries, coffee shops, and other public venues. Our local wargame group has had some success attracting eyeballs and new players by hosting games in venues outside of the FLGS. Plus, I have been inspired by watching HMGS_NextGen on Instagram.
Thanks for looking, and let me know what has worked or hasn't worked for you on a project like this designed to spread the word of ancient wargaming.
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Very cool. This is how to do masses of chariots. Following with interest!
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I'm a big fan of 2mm - 6mm figures for the larger battles of Antiquity.
I really like the painted units you show on your blog.
I have a currently stalled Sumerian era project which I am doing in 6mm on 60mm square bases.
Pictures here: https://imageshack.com/a/ZwSX/1 for those interested. There are albums with naval stuff, scenery (including Humbaba) and my Sumerian city there too.
Looking forward to seeing your progress with this. Kadesh has been a fascination of mine for some considerable time.
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Accidental double post - sorry!
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I need to make the city of Qadesh/Kadesh as a part of the terrain process. Any insight on how to approach it from your work on the Sumerian city?
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They look very good on the big bases! Keen to see more.
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Yeah, I think they look good and are easier to game with that way.
Here is a quick tip for basing 6mm units.
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I use this Drydex spackle that I can source locally and relatively cheaply. It starts out purple/pink and turns light brown as it hardens.
You just spread it on the base with a spackling tool and smooth it to your desired level of smooth. Then, you simply stick the strips of the 6mm minis down far enough to make them relatively even. Let it dry.
If you want, you can also do fun stuff with texturing prior to drying. You can also sand it smooth if you prefer. I have never really had a dried base chip or "lose" a model during play. The stuff works pretty well and makes basing 6mm stuff much easier.
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Good looking project
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I wish I had some updates, but it has been too hot to paint lately.
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Yeah, I think they look good and are easier to game with that way.
Here is a quick tip for basing 6mm units.
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I use this Drydex spackle that I can source locally and relatively cheaply. It starts out purple/pink and turns light brown as it hardens.
You just spread it on the base with a spackling tool and smooth it to your desired level of smooth. Then, you simply stick the strips of the 6mm minis down far enough to make them relatively even. Let it dry.
If you want, you can also do fun stuff with texturing prior to drying. You can also sand it smooth if you prefer. I have never really had a dried base chip or "lose" a model during play. The stuff works pretty well and makes basing 6mm stuff much easier.
I've used spackle on many bases at 15mm and 28mm scale. I find that if you coat the spackle with glue or Mod Podge, it protects it really well (I have had minor chipping when I don't do that).
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Progress has been relatively slow thanks to hot weather, and then a pretty busy work/life schedule. However, progress has been made!
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2023/10/on-painting-desk-battle-of-kadesh.html
Mostly, I have been working on infantry units for the Egyptian forces. This included four bases of archer skirmishers and 4 bases of Auxiliary infantry with bow support.
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Here are some skirmishers. The sharp eyed may see that two units are Egyptians, while two units are also darker skinned Nubians for a change of pace.
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Here are the melee infantry bases with bow armed support. In this place, and during this time the bow was the dominant weapon of the battle field and firepower was king!
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Here is the Egyptian force so far approaching an oasis. No chariots yet, as I am working on the backbone of the force.
I have also been working on the "scenario" for Kadesh as well. I will share that shortly.
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Coming along nicely
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Nice looking armies! well done.
PM sent.
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Thanks all. I need this inspiration to keep grinding away on this project! The batch painting has been killing me on this project!
I am working on 6 bases of archers now for the Egyptians. Each base has about 14 strips of models on them. 2 command and 12 of archers. Each strip is 4 guys, so 56 models per base.
Ugh. They are all undercoated, and I am working through skin. Killing me.
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Hello,
Nice looking army !!!
Nikkobourges
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This is a bit of a change for you Eric.
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Well, I do have a pretty large set-up of 6mm Successor forces. I actually am a big fan of 6mm as a scale. Plus, to capture the size of the armies and mobility I wanted some larger looking units.
Now, I need help from the folks here on this board. For Kadesh, I would like a 3D printed (I have a Resin Printer) for a Bronze Age Mediterranean City that I can print out to represent Kadesh. I would love for it to be a walled city. Ideally, it would fit on a CD as a base comfortably.
Can anyone point out an STL file for me to use?
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Cromarty Forge has two sets that might work for you. The files are scaled to 10mm, rather than 6mm, but may print okay at 60 or 70% (my opinions about this are second hand - I don’t have a printer, but friends who do have explained resizing to me).
They sell a wall set: https://fileshop.cromartyforge.com/l/IWqsv (https://fileshop.cromartyforge.com/l/IWqsv)
And an adobe buildings set: https://fileshop.cromartyforge.com/l/adobebuildings (https://fileshop.cromartyforge.com/l/adobebuildings)
The sets are nominally for a lizardman fantasy army, but I don’t see any really obvious lizard man art or anything on them, so they probably could work for ancient Mesopotamia with minimal fuss.
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Getting to the end of the year so I am sprinting to try and finish off the Egyptian army before 2024.
Here is a large batch of archers that I completed....
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That leaves me 3 chariot bases and 5 assorted infantry bases left in this force.
You can read more detail on the blog is you are so inclined, including an army shot so far.....
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2023/12/on-painting-table-for-glory-of-ra-more.html
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So it is written, so it is done.
The full 6mm Egyptian army is now done.
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That is 24 bases of goodness! This includes chariot units, infantry, archers, infantry with archers, and skirmishers with bows. Lots of bows for the Egyptian army! That seemed to be a "favored" weapon for them.
You can see some of the WIP shots, some more close-ups of some units, and better photos of the chariots on my blog if that is your thing.
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/01/on-painting-desk-battle-of-kadesh-so-it.html
In others news, I have been working with a 3D sculptor in order to get a cool looking mini for Kadesh. The results so far are very promising and I look forward to sharing it. Once completed, the sculptor will be offering the the STLs of the city up for sale as well.
Now, onto the Hittites!
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Some folks elsewhere asked if I good get some closer shots of the miniatures themselves.
I do not think my camera is up to it, but here is a shot of the Hittite Spearmen that have been undercoated black.
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With the Egyptian force done for Kadesh, it was time to turn to their foes. The Hittite army will be a similar sized force in bases, but it has a very different composition from the Egyptians.
For this force, I am still using Baccus 6mm minis on 60x60mm bases. Most of my techniques for painting these guys will be the same.
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This first batch will complete about 1/3rd of the army!
If you would like to learn more about the project, you can see the first blog about the Hittites on the blog:
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/02/on-painting-desk-battle-of-kadesh.html
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I am still forging ahead on my Battle of Kadesh armies that go along with me latest "In-Progress" rules set In Strife and Conflict. This project began in earnest in 2023, but the rules were written for about 5 years now. Hopefully this is the year I can get all the post-production wrapped up and I can release it to you!
To that end, I have been working diligently on my Hittite forces. Good progress so far with much of the infantry getting done.
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You can find an army shot so far on the blog:
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/03/on-painting-desk-battle-of-kadesh-king.html
More importantly, my 3D printed Kadesh arrived. Thanks to Kelly Watson for designing and printing it out. Kelly said he was planning on making the design available, so I will let you know when it is.
The city can fit on a CD as a base, but also has two expandable pieces to make it bigger and add some variety. I look forward to painting it and putting it on the table.
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Nice looking force so far :)
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One of the big pieces I wanted for the Battle of Kadesh is a model of the city itself! Therefore, I was ecstatic when my friend Kelly Watson offered to make a 3D printer version of the city for me!
Here it is.....
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This 3D print is 6 pieces that can be deconstructed for transportation, and can be made into a circular city, as well as this oval version. Their are two small marketplaces/wells, and 1 main gate section of the walls. The smaller version is about the size of a CD.
I look forward to painting this and putting it on the table soon.
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Super cool!
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Super cool!
I agree! I would personally have printed Kadesh off just a tiny bit larger but it's very nice and your army is superb Eric.
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Thanks all.
I am now done with the Egyptian Forces and Hittite forces for the Battle of Kadesh. In addition, I also finished painting up Kadesh itself. All the pre-work needed to play the scenario is ready. Just need to test the scenario.
You can see a ton of pictures on my blog here: https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/03/on-painting-desk-battle-of-kadesh.html
However, here are some highlights.....
Full Hittite Army
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Full Egyptian Army
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The painted city of Kadesh (plus inserts to expand it)
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All models are from Baccus 6mm and are mounted on 60 x 60mm bases. Kadesh is a 3D print designed by Kelly Watson. The rules are unit-vs-unit with no model removal. The armies listed above can cover a number of scenarios of various size and not just the Kadesh scenario. The average game is between 4-12 units per side.
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That all looks excellent! I’m looking forward to seeing the game reports.
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Fantastic stuff! Looking over this thread I’m really tempted to branch into smaller scales, the project looks incredible :)
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Now that the armies for Kadesh are sorted, I figured it was time to do a playtest of the basic rules. I have done some playtesting using templates previously, but this will be the first time with actual miniatures! Exciting.
I Ramses the II, he who makes mortals tremble, have marched north past the fortress of Tjel. My intention is to reclaim the city of Kadesh and the Kingdom of Amurru. The foolish rulers there have turned from my munificence and have taken council with King Muwatalli II from the North. I shall teach them the error of their ways.
As part of this effort, my might army has probed the coast scouting the best way forward. Local vassals of the Muwatalli have come forth to challenge me. Foolish mortals. We shall sweep them aside like so much dust.
At some point, the Kingdom of Amurru which was led by the city-state of Kadesh. They had been vassals of the Egyptians in previous centuries, but overtime had drifted to the Hittite orbit. This angered Ramessess II who wished to rebuild Egypt's empire in the Levant and return the region to Egyptian control. The year prior to the Battle of Kadesh, Egyptian forces were all ready active in the Canaanite lands.
Today's battle will represent some of the scouting and blocking forces engaging in southern Canaan.
Forces:
Today's battle is speculative in nature. Therefore, we will be using the standard Lines of Battle to choose forces up to 24 points.
Egyptians
1 Light Chariot
- Composite Bow
1 Levy Infantry
- Bow
1 Auxiliary Infantry
1 Archer
Hittites
1 Heavy Chariot
1 Light Chariot
Levy Infantry
Skirmishers
Mission:
We will be playing the Scout the Area scenario found in the main rules. The intention is not to destroy the foes, but to understand the terrain.
For ease, we decided not to use any complications for the raid scenario.
Set-up:
We are using a 48 x 48 MU table, with 1 MU being 1 inch. Therefore, a 4 by 4 space.
The Western edge of the table is the Mediterranean Sea. The Egyptians get the South, and the Hittites the North. We divide the area into four zones and randomly determine terrain per the rules in the booklet. The North side is 1 and 2, and the South is 3 and 4.
1 = 2 level hill
2= Pond 0r Dangerous Terrain
3= Grove or Difficult Terrain
4= No Terrain
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Of course, you can read the full battle report on my blog to see how it all played out, and the post-battle breakdown.
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/04/battle-report-in-strife-and-conflict.html
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I read the AAR. I understand it was a test game with limited forces, I would like to see a bigger game. It seemed odd that the Hittite skirmishers sat on the hill and controlled that whole area around it. Food for thought!
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Looks like a great game :D
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I read the AAR. I understand it was a test game with limited forces, I would like to see a bigger game. It seemed odd that the Hittite skirmishers sat on the hill and controlled that whole area around it. Food for thought!
Oh? Tell me more?
The Egyptian Archers couldn't land the kill shot because of the cover. Some actual dedicated infantry probably would have sent the Skirmishers packing pretty fast.
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The rules are up on the Wargame Vault now. You can find them here:
https://www.wargamevault.com/browse.php?keywords=blood+and+spectacles+publishing&x=0&y=0&author=&artist=&pfrom=&pto=
So far, they are #15 on the Best-Sellers list.
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Thanks to all of those who have purchased for supporting Blood and Spectacles Publishing.
You can read the design notes for the game on my blog here:
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/07/wargame-design-in-strife-and-conflict.html?sc=1722348857107#c45710117273722355
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Exciting times my friends. This was a practice game in the run up to the big Battle of Kadesh game I want to host. Therefore, the forces are not at maximum size yet as we get used to the rules. We are having a "what-if" type of scenario where our two opponents forward forces have a meeting engagement prior to the big battle we know about at Kadesh.
Forces
Egyptians
3 Light Chariots
- Composite Bows
- General
1 Professional Infantry
2 Auxiliary Infantry
- Composite Bows
4 Archers
Hittites
3 Heavy Chariots
- Javelins
- 1 General
1 Auxiliary Infantry
2 Levy Infantry
- Bows
2 Skirmishers
Mission:
As the Egyptians are operating in the Levant against the Hittites, we made the Egyptians the Attackers and the Hittites the Defenders. We then randomly determined the scenario using the method in the rules. We were going to play a supply run. The Hittites were moving vital supplies to Kadesh prior to the Egyptians getting there and laying siege to the city!
The Hittites have three supply tokens they need to get off board in 8 turns and without breaking.
Set-up:
Of course, we will be playing today on a 72MU by 48MU board with each MU equal to 1 inch.
Using the core rulebook rules, we see a relatively open battlefield that is bisected by some hills. The rest is fairly flat and open terrain, with one edge bordering a coast line.
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The Egyptians from there left flank across are two archers, the Pharaoh, the Sherden Guard, some Auxiliary Infantry with bows, two light chariots, some Auxiliary infantry, and the last two archers.
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From the Hittite right to left is the Heavy Chariots, backed up by the infantry with the auxiliaries in the middle. On the far flank on a hill is two units of skirmishers. The Hittite commander has dispersed his supplies with the General, the spearmen infantry, and a unit of skirmishers.
That was the set-up for this battle. You can read the full results on the blog here:
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/08/battle-report-in-strife-and-conflict.html
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Been following this thread and read your design notes — just bit and bought the pdf!
I'm getting close to finishing enough DBA armies for playing big battles of the campaigns of Thutmose III working from what details can be pulled from Richard Gabriel's military biography. Already have a triple Hittite army at the ready.
My collection is geared towards fielding 36–48 stands for each army of Hittites, Syrians/Mittani, and Egyptians.
DBA works well enough for generic chariotry, but I've long thought each different period/region of chariot usage would really benefit from specific rules to reflect very different usage by different peoples.
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First off, thank you very much!
Yes, it seems pretty clear that different armies used Chariots differently.
Egyptians as missile boats, Minoans/Myceneans as battle taxis, Hittities as Shock units, and Persians/Medes probably used them as skirmishers. Then, folks like the Assyrians used them in all of those roles!
It is hard to capture that diversity in a game like DBA.
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I want to eventually run a "Educational" game around the Battle of Kadesh at my local libraries. This will be with people who don't know anything about wargaming and probably don't know much about ancient history. Chances are they will be a mix of children, teens, and adults. I have never done anything like this before.
Therefore, I want to test run the Battle of Kadesh scenario from the In Strife and Conflict rulebook to see if it will do what I need it to do for the demo game. Therefore, let's get it on the table and see what happens!
Forces
Egyptians
3 Light Chariots
- Composite Bows
- General
1 Professional Infantry
2 Auxiliary Infantry
- Composite Bows
4 Archers
Hittites
3 Heavy Chariots
- Javelins
- 1 General
1 Auxiliary Infantry
2 Levy Infantry
- Bows
2 Skirmishers
Mission:
We followed the set-up and parameters located in the In Strife and Conflict main rules.
Set-up:
Of course, we will be playing today on a 72MU by 48MU board with each MU equal to 1 inch.
Using the core rulebook rules, we set-up the table per the scenario. The Egyptians start with a limited number of units on the table, representing the Pharaoh and his advanced force. The Hittites get all their troops to start with on the other side of the river.
Crossing the Orontes River is Dangerous terrain, but only Difficult at the Fords. The fields around Kadesh are also Difficult. The city itself is Impassable.
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Does this follow the historical outcome? Take a look and let me know if you are interested in the Battle of Kadesh. Thanks for the help.
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/09/battle-report-in-strife-and-conflict.html
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I want to eventually run an "Educational" game around the Battle of Kadesh at my local libraries. This will be with people who don't know anything about wargaming and probably don't know much about ancient history. Chances are they will be a mix of children, teens, and adults. I have never done anything like this before.
Therefore, I want to test run the Battle of Kadesh scenario from the In Strife and Conflict rulebook to see if it will do what I need it to do for the demo game. Therefore, I ran this scenario a few times to see how different folks would play it.
Forces
Egyptians
3 Light Chariots
- Composite Bows
- General
1 Professional Infantry
2 Auxiliary Infantry
- Composite Bows
4 Archers
Hittites
3 Heavy Chariots
- Javelins
- 1 General
1 Auxiliary Infantry
2 Levy Infantry
- Bows
2 Skirmishers
Mission:
We followed the outline in the main rulebook for the battle.
Set-up:
Of course, we will be playing today on a 72MU by 48MU board with each MU equal to 1 inch.
Using the core rulebook rules, we set-up the table per the scenario. The Egyptians start with a limited number of units on the table, representing the Pharaoh and his advanced force. The Hittites get all their troops to start with on the other side of the river.
Crossing the Orontes River is Dangerous terrain, but only Difficult at the Fords. The fields around Kadesh are also Difficult. The city itself is Impassable.
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The Pharaoh is out ahead of the main army with his Sherden Guards and some Archers of the Ra division. The rest of the Egyptian army will begin trying to get to the battle starting in turn 4.
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Of course, you can read all about what happened and how historical it was on the blog here:
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/09/battle-report-in-strife-and-conflict_02055772395.html
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Wonderful! Been very cool to see this project grow :D
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Thanks! I am glad you have liked it! Hopefully, I will be able to get it on the table as an educational thing soon! Time is going so fast!
Anyway, my latest project maybe of some interest to the Chariot heads in this thread. Everything you have seen so far has been 6mm. Well, Wargames Atlantic came out with a generic Dark Age Chariot for 28mm miniatures. I decided to pick up a box and give them a whirl!
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Here is what they look like put together.
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I decided to make mine for Persians. However, the great thing about this kit is that it does not come with any crew. You can add whoever you want the car. You could add Egyptians, Assyrians, Hittites, Trojans, Greeks, Carthaginians, Gauls, or more! Pretty clever of them really.
Here they are painted up and mixed in with my Persian Heavy Cavalry from Victrix.
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Anyway, there is more pictures, sprue pics, and my ranting about chariots on the blog if you want to see or read more:
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2024/09/on-painting-desk-persian-chariots.html
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Also don't forget that, whatever the outcome of the battle, it's traditional for both opposing sides to claim victory at Kadesh! ;)
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Which makes it even better for learning games! lol lol lol
Everyone is a winner!
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For those of you who look at the Events forum, you will see that I held a public participation wargame for the Battle of Kadesh in my small local community. I had spent some time setting up and preparing for this game by making resources, papering the town with flyers, and posting a lot on local Social Media.
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So, how did it go? You can read the details on my blog here:
https://bloodandspectacles.blogspot.com/2025/04/battle-report-battle-of-kadesh.html
Here is a quick recap for you.
Will the event get more people into wargaming? No. Will it get more people into Bronze Age history.... probably also no. Will it get people into historical wargaming? Also probably no. Did I complete one of my objectives for the year and have a Participation, Public game for the Battle of Kadesh? Yes.
Overall, I got to play the game twice. The Hittites won both games, but how each victory played out was very different.
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Not a smashing success, but I got out there and did it.
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Very well done Eric!
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You can be proud of yourself, you organised the whole thing and gained valuable experience. Not your fault that attendance was low. You never know, you may have planted a seed in a mind somewhere. It looked educational and fun!
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Well done in setting up this up - sounds like you have a good number of attendees/ players.
Did you have any that were already gamers, I couldn't quite tell from one of the comments in the blog if they weren't likely to want to play Ancients again, or just they weren't likely to play wargames at all.
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A bit of both. The RPGers and Sci-fi/Fantasy folks did not seem inclined to expand to historicals. The non-gamers did not seem inclined to get into wargaming.
.... but hope springs eternal!
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I suppose they at least know it’s an option now, might be a slow burn idea with one of them??
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My local area is having its first ever Con on June 7th. Looks like the Battle of Kadesh is coming back for another run!
https://www.twinvalleygamecon.com/event-list
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Boo! Miniature portion of the Con got cancelled, so I no Battle of Kadesh. Sad!