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Title: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 11 September 2023, 04:51:21 PM
I am currently mustering up to build some terrain for my Interwar/World War 2/Pulp collection and thought about making a moonshiner still, albeit not like one an Appalachian Moonshiner would use, but probably a more or less modest example thereof which a Schwarzbrenner would use, "Schwarzbrenner" being the term used for a producer of illegal alcohol in the german language.

As most folks are used to the american variant of a still, I figured I'd try and make a European or at least german variant thereof.  :)
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: Vanvlak on 11 September 2023, 06:09:22 PM
That's a great idea. Not sure what a scwarzbrenner looks like (Google gave me pics of bicycle wheels!), but sounds perfect for this sort of project.  8)
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: has.been on 12 September 2023, 01:46:16 PM
Trouble brewing?  :?
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 12 September 2023, 03:59:42 PM
Taking out the shine of it with that pun.  lol

But despite all them jokes...

...I love my project still!
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: has.been on 12 September 2023, 04:33:54 PM
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...I love my project still!

 lol lol lol
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: Vanvlak on 12 September 2023, 04:56:52 PM
Taking out the shine of it with that pun.  lol

But despite all them jokes...

...I love my project still!
Well played!  lol
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 20 September 2023, 12:01:05 PM
I did make myself some sketches, but they are rough. So here are some pictures I've used to get a vague moodboard going for what I've had in mind. These are not necessarily german stills, but european ones. Some from Ireland or Scotland or France. And the odd one or two from Germany. I'll be going for a mix of these styles to create one! 

Furthermore, to make it tied to Hamburg and seeing as stills needed clean water to operate, I am going to make a figure that shows a Hummelmann, the typical figure of a water carrier in Hamburg and also included some pictures of a scottish cart (Schottsche Karre) and a bucket yoke (Wasser Trage). The former would be used by salesmen and other folk to move and distribute their items and you can find the odd picture in the hamburg museum of workers moving large bottles or produce about, or harbour workers moving large loads of grain or the like along. In my mind, I figured that could be used to transport mash for the still, and might provide further scatter on the piece.

The latter of my list, the bucket yoke, is the tool of the Hummelmann, who would begrudgingly carry water while passing kids would yell "Hummel, Hummel" only for him to reply "Mors, Mors." The Hummel referring to his busy working and the Mors to his quip back, from the Hamburger dialect "Klei mi an Moors" which would translate to "Scratch my ass" as a counter to insults.

Either way, I hope this somewhat shows what I am working on. A progress pick of the piece will follow!
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: aircav on 20 September 2023, 02:11:47 PM
This looks like an interesting little build, can’t wait to see what you do for it 8)
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: snitcythedog on 20 September 2023, 03:12:47 PM
Lots of nice details and ideas here. 
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 20 September 2023, 05:18:42 PM
Cheers gents! Hoping to provide soon enough!
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: McMordain on 20 September 2023, 06:10:09 PM
Looks like an interesting project. Good luck with it  :)
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: marianas_gamer on 20 September 2023, 09:00:58 PM
A useful gaming prop. I am looking forward to your take on this.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 21 September 2023, 08:36:28 AM
Cheers, gentlemen! Good luck to your endeavours too!

 I do hope to show something soon!
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 24 September 2023, 01:28:31 PM
Okay a few pictures after some small progress. I hope they show a very rough start and might give an idea of what things will look like.

I've used two syringe covers from some medical supplies, they had an interesting shape and I kept the plastic cover to use them for projects like this. At a glance I suppose they could also work for Sci Fi builds or just for detail of some sort.

Another bit I had was a metal casing of a brush. These two will come together to form the main body of the still.

Some florist wire with rubber covering works as the worm pipe for the still. Might use an offcut from a cork stopper as some basing/impormptu furniture but will see how that works out. I have included a 28mm figure for a vague idea of scale.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 24 September 2023, 01:38:08 PM
And a further post showing some sketches I've made that are very rough.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 24 September 2023, 01:51:01 PM
Likker in the sketch of course is liquor, but I picked up on some appalachian slang while watching this documentary about Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton and J.B. Raider, both appalachian moonshiners. It is a bit odd to watch at first, but has some interesting bits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ma9vUqwpcc

Clip by PBS about "Popcorn" or Mister Sutton.

And then the movie "This is the Last Dam Run of Likker I'll Ever Make".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQjCKAI4gA
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 01 October 2023, 02:59:17 PM
Hey LAF!

Here are some new in progress shots. In the meantime I also abandoned the idea of using plasticard as a base and instead used some mdf board.

This proved a good idea as it was much nicer to work with and less flimsy. I then started to make a small ring from styrofoam bricks to start on the still and after a few layers had an idea of using a plastic egg to create the boiler. At first I thought of using an aluminium takeout container and bend that to shape, but that would'Ve probably been harder to paint and work with and the plastic Easter Egg proved sturdier.

I also began to add some small details. I am not too sure if I should name anything else, and will probably send Vanvlak a pm regarding what I can share. In the meantime. Here are some images for you of the new build.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: snitcythedog on 01 October 2023, 03:03:24 PM
This is looking very promising from the layout.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 01 October 2023, 03:31:18 PM
Thank you, snitcythedog! I did get a reply from Vanvlak, barely posted and I already had a great answer. So I figured I'd post this picture along.
Basically just a pre-primed plastic Easter Egg from a seasonal stand at 'Kaufland' here in Germany or 'Metro', which if freed from the pointy end makes for an easy to detail boiler-like looking bit.

I did mean to use these eggs for another project in which orcs lug away a dragon's egg or a cart full of them, but I suppose I can thank that thought for now giving me a bit to use for the boiler.  lol
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: Codsticker on 01 October 2023, 07:13:10 PM
That's a very unique terrain idea- perfect for games like Pulp Alley or The Chicago Way or even the old west.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 02 October 2023, 09:04:03 PM
Okay, made a bit more progress during the evening. Mainly having a few ideas for more set dressing.

These include a spitoon for chewing tobacco which will be weathered accordingly and probably painted in brass.

A bench for the workers, along with a small shack. Seeing as moonshiners weren't fearing the police but rather the Customs officers, this scene might well be in some backyard of a factory or abandoned industrial complex.

A bench for the sacks of grain or whatever other material to make the mash. These are also protected by a small wall made from corrugated card and some toothpicks. Resting on some heavy slabs, maybe as a means to protect the fancier bench from rotting, whereas the other items are of a makeshift nature.

A cocktail umbrella?! Yeah, figured I could use one I had lying about. I also used the pink plastic band as a belt of some worker which is draped over the right part of the bench.

A small pot made to hold the parasol, which I'll fill with some small gravel or sand. Something often used if the ground is too hard or paved over to accept the gentle poke of a parasol stake.

And finally the yoke, which got painted with superglue to make the balsa wood sturdier.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: Lost Egg on 03 October 2023, 08:14:49 AM
I like how haphazard and rustic it's all looking, very fitting.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 04 October 2023, 05:38:41 AM
Thank you, Lost Egg!

Putting up another picture as I meant to continue work on the still itself rather than the surroundings thereof.

Toward the end of this video there's a small explanation of what bit does what that also helped me in figuring out what parts are needed. I realized I am a proofing barrel short and have to build that to make the scene believeable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc43RPzNffg

Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 05 October 2023, 05:01:39 PM
Sad news!

I do think I'll omit one item I previously promised, namely, the Schott'sche Karre. A handcart/ lifting cart predecessor maybe an odd cousin to the wheelbarrow. I did look for a few images.
At first I was thinking about the size of said cart in terms of say a handcart or wheelbarrow. As it turns out. They are huge! Anyway, to not deprive anyone of the image, here are some choice cart images. Probably making some as seperate pieces as scatter terrain later.  >:D
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: snitcythedog on 05 October 2023, 05:39:35 PM
Looking better and better.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 06 October 2023, 01:13:41 PM
Thank you, snitcythedog! Hope to be done this Sunday and then give it the coat of primer.


Small update toward some of the scatter on the terrain itself. Finally got to add the source of the heat, used a metal offcut from a scultping tool.

As said, the buckets are from McDonald's straws and fine florist wire. Later filled with a bit of styrofoam that is coated on one side to allow to fill the buckets with either clear resin or some other material.

I've also added a small hammer made from a toothpick and a sprue offcut filed to look suitably like a sledgehammer for driving in the wooden posts that hold the corrugated card.

I've procured a bit for the still that I'll add later tonight and then hope to finish the last bit of the brickwork before I'll go over to add the pipes and the like.

Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: has.been on 06 October 2023, 01:22:33 PM
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Sad news!

I do think I'll omit one item I previously promised, namely, the Schott'sche Karre. A handcart/ lifting cart predecessor maybe an odd cousin to the wheelbarrow. I did look for a few images.
At first I was thinking about the size of said cart in terms of say a handcart or wheelbarrow. As it turns out. They are huge! Anyway, to not deprive anyone of the image, here are some choice cart images. Probably making some as seperate pieces as scatter terrain later.  >:D/quote]

I was thinking of making one of those before working on a 'Fall of Troy' project, but I think that would be...
putting the cart before the horse.  lol lol lol
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 06 October 2023, 01:26:20 PM
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Sad news!

I do think I'll omit one item I previously promised, namely, the Schott'sche Karre. A handcart/ lifting cart predecessor maybe an odd cousin to the wheelbarrow. I did look for a few images.
At first I was thinking about the size of said cart in terms of say a handcart or wheelbarrow. As it turns out. They are huge! Anyway, to not deprive anyone of the image, here are some choice cart images. Probably making some as seperate pieces as scatter terrain later.  >:D/quote]

I was thinking of making one of those before working on a 'Fall of Troy' project, but I think that would be...
putting the cart before the horse.  lol lol lol


You'll stirrup trouble if you neglect the horse for a cart.   lol
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 08 October 2023, 04:57:39 PM
Some slight restructuring as I figured the pile of bricks would obstruct folks from collecting the shine. Also set the barrel in place and used some rubberized florist wire to make a start on the pipes. These will probably receive some detailing, with metal foil from a takeout container. I will then coat the foam bits with a layer of woodglue and prime everything. I hope to get it painted in time for the deadline.

Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: Lost Egg on 08 October 2023, 07:42:28 PM
Looking good though I think it'll really come alive with some paint.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: marianas_gamer on 08 October 2023, 11:47:40 PM
Looking good but don't you want to make the worm coming off the still a coil? Or is that still in progress?
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: Codsticker on 09 October 2023, 01:05:34 AM
I love all the little pieces you have scratch built, like the buckets.
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 09 October 2023, 07:36:37 PM
@Lost Egg, thank you! I'll try to finish it up today and coat it tomorrow morning so it can dry while I work.

@Codsticker, thank you! Yeah, I find they help to add a bit of story to the scene but are sometimes hard to make from scratch. But a nice exercise nonetheless to come up with ideas.

@marianas_gamer, thank you! I am not to sure as I've mainly seen two setups being used. I suppose if I curled the wire going into the small barrel, it could be a small still. As it is now, the small barrel is intended to be a thump-keg which derives its name from the thumping noise during the distilling process, which then runs to the barrel with the worm pipe in which the alcohol condenses. I've made a worm end on the bigger of the two barrels to show the point where the "shine" would be collected.

I think I might go for Setup two and leave out the thump keg as that might make it somewhat easier. Or set the Thump Keg off to the side somewhere, as if the Moonshiners have decided against using one.

Will see! Thank you for the comments and the feedback, I enjoy reading them and they help.   :)
                   
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: aircav on 10 October 2023, 06:12:20 PM
Looks great, can’t wait to see the finished product 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 10 October 2023, 06:19:45 PM
Thank you, aircav!
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: marianas_gamer on 10 October 2023, 09:10:14 PM
FF, thanks for the explanation!
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 13 October 2023, 11:34:49 AM
@marianas_gamer, no worries, I just learned that myself in the course of this build.  :)

Anyway, here is the primed entry, I'll try to get it finished on time, otherwise I'll inform Vanvlak if I might opt out.

Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: Vanvlak on 13 October 2023, 04:26:19 PM
Opt out? You're done.
You don't have to send the fully painted pic by tomorrow, that's only the deadline for the build!
Title: Re: BSMALL2023 FreakyFenton A still still?!
Post by: FreakyFenton on 13 October 2023, 06:50:33 PM
Opt out? You're done.
You don't have to send the fully painted pic by tomorrow, that's only the deadline for the build!

Oh! Fair enough!

That's good news, thank you Vanvlak! I suppose I should've read the post more carefully.