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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: 3Fingers2 on January 21, 2024, 11:38:45 AM
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Some interesting characters on it and I can see 40k influences in it .
What’s everyone else think ?
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probably because its got influences hashed into it from pretty much everything else.
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which is pretty much what 40k does.
from samurai moves/westerns/war movies and every other genre including sci fi - mean - end of movie add robot oooh 7 disparate samurai/warriors/cowthings/space-persons... hmm magnificent.
probably part 2 the main guy gets a glove so he can click/point finger at bad guys to make them dissolve - as you know - he gets beat in close quarters..
in fact makes me think of battle beyond the stars for this decade - big bad ship etc etc.
and its only part 1 just think how many ideas they can shove in the next part - assuming there will be 3 parts followed by tv series..
Beyond that yup, sat through it with popcorn and disengage brain happily enough - if I renew my netflix sometime this year and part 2 is on there, then yeah I am gonna flick it on and tune out again. its a good enough crowd pleaser, its nothing special but it certainly helped with my insomnia that night.
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To say "influences" is being kind, totally derivative and predictable would be closer to the mark.
Characters are at best 2 dimensional, their history, motives and presence being explained by conveniently staged monologues rather than actually through the story or plotline. It comes across as a series of "key scene" bullet points duct taped together by badly written dialogue and screen titles.
The strong female lead desperately needs someone to coach her in basic acting skills about facial expression and emotion, as currently she has no grasp of either and actors who are much better than this (like Djimon Hounsou) seem to be dragged down to the same level so as not to show her up.
But that said, it still manages to be better than any movies released under the Star Wars brand for years.
Enjoy it for the "cool it's almost 40K" vibe and the CGI visuals (No spoilers but credit where due; the scene between Harmada and Nemesis is visually excellent), but don't expect a well presented or developed story.
Apparently (as with all Zack Snyder output) there is a Directors Cut version in the wings so maybe there is some characterisation in there yet to be shown.
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Yeah, it's very pretty, but ultimately flat, with no real depth to either the plot or the characters.
Another wasted opportunity, although still better than the last Indiana Jones effort, I had to turn that off it was so irritating. At least I managed to sit through this one.
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I'm with RobH. Watched the entire thing hoping it would get better. It didn't.
After all the hype, the phrase 'polishing turds' springs to mind. It's a complete waste of time, money, and opportunity.
I won't bother with Number 2 - I mean Part 2.
Given the recent rash of gawd-awful spectacles, I wonder if any of these director/writers have ever read/taken a course on the dynamics/mechanics of storytelling.
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I wouldn't bash it, but as said by others there is a certain lack of inspiration. The pictures were great though and it was entertaining, if you don't expect to use your brain too much to follow the story and dialogues.
No waste of time for me, yet not the most impressive thing to see.
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I watched it last night. I didn't hate it.
It reminded me of the sort of low rent sci-fi/fantasy flicks we'd get in the 80s that were chasing Star Wars dollars. Stuff like, Battle Beyond the Stars, Hawk the Slayer, or Ice Pirates. The difference is, Rebel Moon has a AAA budget, which causes a little hiccup in my enjoyment. Cheap, B-Movies have their charm where lack of budget usually results in some quirky characters or charming attempts at effects. This, with a full blown budget, didn't have any interesting characters and lots of pretty pictures. The former sticks with me, whereas the latter type of film is forgotten easily.
I'll watch Part 2, but I probably won't remember or think about it long afterwards.
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I haven’t seen Rebel Moon and don’t intend to. Nor would I if it had received the most glowing reviews and been garlanded with the most prestigious awards (as appears distinctly unlikely). The reason for this has nothing to do with its intrinsic merits or lack of same but because the cinematic bar has been set so impossibly high that the best written, best directed, best acted and most involving of science fiction epics created in its wake is already doomed to fail. Clearly nothing can compare with the sheer majesty that is The Man Who Saved the World, aka ‘Turkish Star Wars’, and it is sheer folly to try.
Once one has seen - or rather, experienced - this matchless work of art, one’s perception of not only film, science fiction and philosophy but reality itself will never be the same.
For those who have yet to be inducted, the film can be seen in full on YouTube but I could not bear the responsibility for the unimaginable consequences to public health of posting the link here. For now this small sample must suffice:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww0k-80n-zI&pp=ygURdHVya2lzaCBzdGFyIHdhcnM%3D
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That is hilarious. No old campy Kung Fu movie can even reach half those depths. Truly that can never be matched.
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absolutely terrible film, Battle Beyond The Stars had more character and depth.
Rebel Moon was just 40k doing Seven Samurai, with Harry Potter, Doctor Who, an excess of slow motion for the smallest thing and the sudden and inevitable betrayal that wasn't at all obvious from the outset.
Djimon Housmon was completely wasted, his broken drunken general story arc is apparently resolved with a shower.
How RobH is able to remember character names is beyond me, I don't know who Hamada or Nemesis are. And the Harry Potter blacksmith, he's a prince apparently... I got that from the cast list, because I don't remember it being mentioned at all, and his Dolittle powers serve no purpose for the rest of the film.
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To be fare I remember more about Battle Beyond the Stars than Rebel thingy, don't think it will change either. I stopped to think and cannot remember any rebel character names a week after watching it. well done RobH.
In fact now I mentioned it twice, am really tempted to go find and watch Battle Beyond the stars instead. its been more than 30 years so I should really.
Turkish starwars looks really up there to, I would rather watch that then rebel thingy, unless as was the case, I was mainly trying to put myself to sleep (successfully eventually)
I suppose what it really comes down to is I would rather watch the movies it derives from than rebelthing. lol
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....How RobH is able to remember character names is beyond me.....
He isn't, ;)
I didn't want to spoil what I think is the best scene in the whole movie by describing the unique features and fighting style of Hamada, so I too had to look at the cast list.
Nemesis I remember, either because she has a compelling and well developed character arc with strong dialogue and personality, or because she shares a name with an OOP Rackham game expansion. You decide :?
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I got as far as the scene ripped off from that unfortunate section in Mary Gentle's Grunts.
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I'm kind of amused that people watch a Zack Snyder film and expect anything other than a two hour video game cut scene.
Every film of his I've seen, no matter how much I wanted to like it, has been admittedly visually impressive but with awful acting, poor characterisation, bad writing and the most derivative of plots.
Even the ones with well respected source material (300, Watchmen) have ultimately been empty experiences akin to sitting and passively watching someone else play Fortnite.
You'd do it once, but you would feel cheated.
That's my tuppence worth anyway. I'll probably still end up watching Rebel Moon of only to see how bad it is and pinch modeling ideas.
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I enjoyed it for what it was. If it were a series instead of a movie it may work better as you expect the characters to slowly develop ove the course of the seasons, small back stories being shown each episode. I imagine that is what we'll see over the coming movies. Most of the extra characters were outrageous with their own special abilities which is what I think will be built upon in subsequent films. But would degjbtely have worked better as a series.
Great for a big of a brain break though as others have said.
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I got as far as the scene ripped off from that unfortunate section in Mary Gentle's Grunts.
Ooh; I'm a big fan of Grunts!; highly underrated piece of humorous fantasy, that :D
Now I'm going to have to sit through the movie just to get the reference.
I had been intending to anyway, but have not come around to it yet. I can't say I'm hyped to see it, but I like pretty visuals, so wooden acting and cruddy story lines will (probably) not bother me too much ;)
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I'm kind of amused that people watch a Zack Snyder film and expect anything other than a two hour video game cut scene.
I want to stick up for video game cut scenes here; they're better written, directed, and acted - on a much smaller budget.
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"The evil Empire has done many bad things, but offering to pay above market price for this tiny space-viking village's excess grain is a step too far. We make our stand here! Gather the totally random band of people who have no reason to care and off we go!"
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"The evil Empire has done many bad things, but offering to pay above market price for this tiny space-viking village's excess grain is a step too far. We make our stand here! Gather the totally random band of people who have no reason to care and off we go!"
and why that piddly little village? they clearly state all the grain they sell goes to the space port, why not occupy there where you get all the grain from the entire planet in one spot...
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and why that piddly little village? they clearly state all the grain they sell goes to the space port, why not occupy there where you get all the grain from the entire planet in one spot...
Budget, I mean really then they would have to CGI the entire planetary/moonetary ? population uprising and being defended by the random 7
I mean really and lets face it, its only one planet killer space ship... probably worried that many farmers, they might find all the exhaust ports..
I want to stick up for video game cut scenes here; they're better written, directed, and acted - on a much smaller budget.
thats a good point.
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but that would avoid any uprising completely.
the space port grain is sold to presumably merchants who would be willing to sell the grain to the Empire, seeing as it's their whole purpose to sell grain. you don't have to force anyone to give up grain they are keeping for their own needs. the whole thing is stupid and contrived.
I'm actually getting more annoyed the more I think about it...
Don't get me started on the DC Murderverse.
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....... the whole thing is stupid and contrived.....
lol
Snyder's 2 favourite movies as a kid were obviously "Star Wars" and "The Magnificent 7" so he set out to rip off both but couldn't decide which one first. In the end he just kind of mashed them together.
But he fundamentally lacks the skill and ability of George Lucas or John Sturges to tell a story and develop characters within the time constraint of a movie.
Several reviews around the web link Rebel Moon to the Kurosawa classic "7 Samurai", but if that was the case it makes it Snyder's effort an even bigger failure as his story barely reaches the level of "The Magnificent 7 Ride!"
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I found it very 40K ish whilst watching it. Preferred it to The Creator though - which had some nice visuals, but (for me at least) as predictable and pretty lame ending.
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Although, overall, I agree that it wasn't a particularly good offering from Snyder, there were elements of greatness alongside the dross.
The opening visuals, ploughing the soil against the backdrop of the ringed gas giant... *chef's kiss* It certainly set me up to think it was going to be amazing. Sadly it let me down.
The design of the technology, especially Jimmy the robot. Just like SWIV gave us a real sense of a "lived in" universe, this did the same thing but in a different way. Instead of things been worn and rundown and workaday, we got a sense of technology that was almost medieval in the way it was treated by its artisans. This was the most 40k-but-not-40k element of the setting, space-Nazis aside.
Some of the aliens in the bar. Sure, this was just Mos Eisley Remixed, but the parasite was absolutely awesome and briefly gave me hope that the movie would do aliens better than SW and ST (in which budgets mean that they are all basically rubber mask humans).
The visuals for the mining planet where they picked up Nemesis were stunning.
The scene where Bad Guy communicates with Belasarius in some kind of technological spirit world was so gloriously and consciously bizarre and baroque that it really nearly saved the movie for me. The whole scene with them connecting him up and then putting him back together was fantastic tonal counter-point to the opening scene with the plough.
Pretty much everything else was either mediocre or poor. The set-up from the opening shots was quickly lost in incongruities in scale and technology. The bar fight and the barn fight lacked consistency. The traitor was obvious from the moment he opened his mouth. Having shown us "awesome parasite alien" they then gave us "just a griffon, like, yknow, a griffon as seen in Harry Potter" as well as inconceivably buff slave-Prince, wtf?
The mining world looked amazing but we've turned up just in time to see someone reluctantly slaughter the last native with... swords, for some reason? And, again, the last native is just... a Drider. Like, from the D&D movie. Did they run out of money and have to borrow digital assets from other movies or something? How is "spider centaur" supposed to be a convincing alien? Get me the parasite back!!
A whole planet is destroyed by a ship that it's previously been established needs supplies from... one medieval village. And the rebellion is made up of Mad Max: Fury Road rejects called... "Bloodaxe". Are you 9 years old, Snyder? "Bloodaxe"? Ffs.
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I saw it this weekend, after the rest of the family went to bed. And I lamented not having done the same...
It had some nice visuals here and there, but overall, it felt flat and derived. To be honest; having previously read this thread, I was going in a tad biased, but I felt that most of the remarks were quite deserved.
The biggest let down was the story. It just wasn't really good felt uninspired and predictable. Also, for lack of a better word, it had scaling issues. A Stardestroyer scaled ship with many hangar bays and capable of razing a planet is all of a sudden so small that it descends into atmosphere, almost docks with a hovering jetty and is then apparently controlled and steered by a gunner in a gun-sponson? (and basically destroyed by a spear??)
This pulled me out of the illusion, just like the silly characterization and out of place fantasy elements (such as the griffon and spider queen).
5/10 Would not watch again...
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that was a different ship at the docking jetty, but I too was a little confused by that at first.
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and to no ones suprise, the reviews for part 2 are poop
https://www.gamesradar.com/rebel-moon-part-two-review-netflix/
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Coal powered spaceship
Coal
In space
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Well .... it ain't The Expanse. But it was mildly entertaining and had some good visuals.
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Coal powered spaceship
Coal
In space
That could work.
As long as you have water to boil as well. Steam nozzles could propel the vessel then slowly, but steadily…
That‘s how the Victorians went to the moon. Or with a cannon… ::)
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the Victorians had Aether to travel through, not vacuum, and that's a hell of a lot respiratory-illnesses-waiting-to-happen being pumped around that ship...
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the Victorians had Aether to travel through, not vacuum, and that's a hell of a lot respiratory-illnesses-waiting-to-happen being pumped around that ship...
Cough, cough... lol
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It's space coal, Snyder's own recipe.
Seriously though, out of all the guff in these films, the coal powered spaceship is a minor consideration.
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Last night, I was completely nackered and I had the choice of doing some more work on my BSC project or watch a film. I went with the film but could not decide which one.
I then stumbled upon RM2 in the list. I had seen RM1 and was, well, not impressed to say the least. So I watched Critical Drinker's review of the film first ::)
Suffice to say that I progressed my BSC build significantly yesterday evening... lol
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Coal powered spaceship
Coal
In space
I quite liked that, reminded me of the Mutant Chronicles.
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I remember watching battle beyond the stars, desperate for anything star wars-like, and quite enjoying it.
Fast forward....OMG....40+ years and here I am desperate for anything star-wars-like and I could see how younger folk might enjoy the film but yeah I couldn't quite get on board that coal-fired spaceship :)
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(https://theinfosphere.org/images/a/af/Dark_Matter.jpg)
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I watched it this week and first thought folks were referring to those smoke-spewing dropships (which I found interesting in a "terror-weapon-GE-J79-on-speed" way), but then there was indeed that stoker room... oh boy. Amusing as a nod to the Radium furnaces in Flash Gordon, if we can assume they had that in mind.
But generally, what a huge waste of otherwise very serviceable designs and visuals (I really liked those fumigating power swords), even if it's more of what we've already seen, what with those silly superhero poses. And that script and dialogues... dear, dear.
I wouldn't have minded their "borrowing" from Kurosawa had it been done properly, but these two meandering, disjointed films were such a terrible waste of resources and the audiences time. I mean, I can forgive a lot in the story department for nice visuals, but I really hope they funnel the funds into something better rather than doing four more as Mr. Snyder intimates.
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Heh, I thought it was worth the price... i.e. free after Netflix subscription...
It was better than Robot Jox, which I actually paid for in the theatre...
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But that said, it still manages to be better than any movies released under the Star Wars brand for years.
How has it been nearly five months without someone pointing to Rogue One with a big red arrow
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Heh, I thought it was worth the price... i.e. free after Netflix subscription...
It was better than Robot Jox, which I actually paid for in the theatre...
It's free as I have Netflix for the family and my wife thought the first movie was entertaining enough so I will probably watch the second.
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I have to say, this chain is not making me really "want" to watch this movie.
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It was better than Robot Jox, which I actually paid for in the theatre...
Now these are fightin' words... >:( just you wait when you get into robot-crotch-chainsaw range!
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It was better than Robot Jox, which I actually paid for in the theatre...
I remember that movie! Way back in the day, we rented it from Blockbuster. Two or three times. Because, we were idiots.
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Odd links to roman history as well, the King's Death being staged after the assassination of Julius Caesar. I was waiting for the "Et tu, Brute?" scene. Weirdly ancient history comes up a lot either out of sheer will to impose some faux intellectuality or out of sheer lack of creativity.
The monologues are as others have said interesting, in that you want to know more about those scenes, before almost cruelly, they cut off to put you back into the diegetic world of the film.
Suppose it is as if characters from Star Wars such as Dengar and the like had their own show, you're meant to know who they are, but you are forcefed their backstory through *harp music* flashbacks.
::)
You can watch it though, if you have nothing else to do. lol
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...You can watch it though, if you have nothing else to do. lol
There's always something better to do! Like doing the dishes, cleaning out the litterbox, doing your tax returns, having a vasectomy...
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Odd links to roman history as well, the King's Death being staged after the assassination of Julius Caesar.
interesting that you picked up on that, was it the subtle nuance of dialogue? the dramatic staging? or the togas everyone was inexplicably wearing because Snyder is a hack?
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You know what they say 'Brainless, hamfisted imitation is the sincerest form of flattery..."?
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interesting that you picked up on that, was it the subtle nuance of dialogue? the dramatic staging? or the togas everyone was inexplicably wearing because Snyder is a hack?
I had to look the scene up just to see what the costuming was like, amd was shocked by how utterly ridiculous they all looked! And those silly rosettes as well… not impressed lol
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There's always something better to do! Like doing the dishes, cleaning out the litterbox, doing your tax returns, having a vasectomy...
lol lol lol
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interesting that you picked up on that, was it the subtle nuance of dialogue? the dramatic staging? or the togas everyone was inexplicably wearing because Snyder is a hack?
Think of your blood pressure!
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Pretty, but empty and stupid.
Daeothar, thanks for reminding me I need to do the cat pans...
-Michael
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Pretty, but empty and stupid.
Daeothar, thanks for reminding me I need to do the cat pans...
-Michael
Sadly, that's true for most movies these days. Triumph of facade over substance.
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I tried watching part 2 other weekend , lasted half hour and turned over.
Just finished watching it .only bit I found interesting
Was when one of the characters says about the ship coming to their planet killing anyone old and weak and then the rest of the population being scattered across the universe in work camps , I remember the anti imperium fluff and graffiti in rogue trader 40k Shame it wasn’t took up more , also what was classed as hunting guns took my interest similar to kroot and vostroyan weapons ??
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And there is a god… it’s dead
https://cosmicbook.news/rebel-moon-dead-netflix-zack-snyder
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I hadn't seen it, didn't really ever want to and got warned off by it's reception on here. Can't believe they were so delusional that they thought their talentless drek might go for at least 6 films! Unbelievable lol
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Have started watching the Directors cuts. Love them! Absolutely beautifully filmed and incredible battle scenes.
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Tried to watch it, couldn’t stand it. Just … bad.
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As others have said, these are not good movies and probably shouldn't have been made.
However, I watched both directors cuts and actually enjoyed watching 40k be half brought to life and crossed with Star Wars..
Also, if you came up seeing made for TV scifi movies and series like Babylon 5, then you know that Sci Fi on the screen doesn't have to be well acted or original to be enjoyable.
Also it did bring us one of the most affordable wargaming drop ships.
If you're in the US, head to eBay and search for.
"rebel moon imperium dropship popcorn bowl"
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As others have said, these are not good movies and probably shouldn't have been made.
However, I watched both directors cuts and actually enjoyed watching 40k be half brought to life and crossed with Star Wars..
Also, if you came up seeing made for TV scifi movies and series like Babylon 5, then you know that Sci Fi on the screen doesn't have to be well acted or original to be enjoyable.
Also it did bring us one of the most affordable wargaming drop ships.
If you're in the US, head to eBay and search for.
"rebel moon imperium dropship popcorn bowl"
And by 'us' you actually mean U.S. - just great; you guys get all the toys! lol