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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Altius on 29 February 2024, 04:24:28 AM

Title: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 29 February 2024, 04:24:28 AM
I had an urge to play out a desperate last stand in a very confined space, and so I settled on the battle of Camerone, 1863. Here’s my version of Hacienda La Trinidad.
I’m slowly painting up the forces now. The plan is to go with Rebels & Patriots rules but with double the points. I’ll post some photos of the troops when I have enough of them finished. (https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/349/yGpBlD.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/8853/gppKbV.jpg)

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Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on 29 February 2024, 04:59:12 AM
Sounds like a good plan.

I like the model too. Look forward to seeing the figures and hearing more.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Deedles on 29 February 2024, 10:36:15 AM
That is a great start . Looking forward to following it
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: traveller on 29 February 2024, 11:03:51 AM
Looks fantastic!  :-* :-* :-*

What is the footprint of the hacienda? I have some vague plans for this myself  ;)
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on 29 February 2024, 11:49:27 AM
This looks stunning - well done  :-*
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Mad Lord Snapcase on 29 February 2024, 11:58:25 AM
Very impressive, looking forward to seeing more.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 29 February 2024, 04:03:15 PM
Looks fantastic!  :-* :-* :-*

What is the footprint of the hacienda? I have some vague plans for this myself  ;)

It's built on 4 panels and it's 24" x 24" (about 60cm x 60cm). The panels as well as the main buildings are MDF and the other structures are made with foam sheets.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: traveller on 29 February 2024, 07:25:48 PM
It's built on 4 panels and it's 24" x 24" (about 60cm x 60cm). The panels as well as the main buildings are MDF and the other structures are made with foam sheets.

Great! Many thanks!
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: aircav on 29 February 2024, 10:42:55 PM
Nice  8) 8) 8)
Looking forward to seeing the progress  :)
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Mad Guru on 01 March 2024, 07:12:42 AM
Excellent!  Thanks for posting this, Altius!  As someone with a near life-long interest in the battle, it's always great to see fellow gamers making it their own -- even more so if they create high quality versions of the Hacienda compound such as yours.  Like others have said above, I look forward to seeing this project progress.  There are still two months until the battle's 161st anniversary on April 30th.  You said you're, "slowly painting up the forces now," so it might not be feasible, but... have you considered trying to game it that day?
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 02 March 2024, 05:02:49 AM
You said you're, "slowly painting up the forces now," so it might not be feasible, but... have you considered trying to game it that day?

I’ve actually nearly finished with the legionnaires but I’ve got lots of Mexicans to paint. I’m going with a mostly limited palette with the so it should speed things along. April 30 does seem like an achievable goal.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: FifteensAway on 02 March 2024, 05:29:39 PM
Quite a lovely model.  And I like how you built it in four pieces, a lot easier to store.  You have a show piece in the making.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: CPT Shanks on 03 March 2024, 05:12:37 PM
Excellent build. That will be a blast to play on. What rules do you plan to use?
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 03 March 2024, 09:27:51 PM
And I like how you built it in four pieces, a lot easier to store.

The whole thing breaks down into four pieces and stores neatly into a single banker’s box. So much easier to store and to carry around.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 03 March 2024, 09:34:09 PM
What rules do you plan to use?

I’m going to try it with Rebels & Patriots. I’ll playtest it later this month and I’ll see how I like it.

Im basing the legionaires individually while the Mexicans are base with a mix of one or three to a stand. It’s a rather small action, maybe too small for BP. What other rules do you think might work?
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on 04 March 2024, 08:25:57 AM
Three Mexicans to 1 base counting as a single figure would work really well and allow some recycling to be done.

R&P would be perfect.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 20 March 2024, 01:56:30 AM
A little more progress on the project. Those open gateways and that huge hole in the southeast wall looked a bit vulnerable so I thought that some barricades were in order. I bought an assortment of ready-made barricades by Ainsty and Alternative Armies. It’s more than I need for this project but you can never have too many barricades.

Front and back
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The main entrances
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That gaping hole in the wall
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Next time, I’ll post some shots of the troops.




Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: traveller on 20 March 2024, 11:22:27 AM
Great additions!  :-*
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Johnny Boy on 24 March 2024, 04:29:01 PM
I always hada strong interest in this particular action.and I must say you're keeping the thread most interesting.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on 24 March 2024, 05:59:49 PM
Very cool! Great work! 👍
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Lord Raglan on 24 March 2024, 06:28:00 PM
Great project mate, I will watch with interest
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 09 May 2024, 03:19:27 AM
I’ve finally got the troops painted. There are literally hundreds of them.

I’ve made the Mexican forces into two separate commands, the regulars and a large contingent of militia. Here are some photos of the militia and I’ll follow up with the regulars later in the week.

Historical accounts of the battle mention lots of cavalry, but cavalry is pretty much useless in this kind of fight. So, the few mounted troops I’ve included will actually be used as “mounted skirmishers” according to the R&P rules, which are a bit more useful.

The militia infantry are a mix of Gringo40, Old Glory, First Corps, Artizan and WF as well as a few others. The difference in scale between the Gringo40s and the Foundry figures is especially pronounced, with the others covering a middle ground between the two. For that reason, I was careful to segregate the sizes when I based them. However, I noticed that something magical happens when you put them all together in a mass and the differences seem to smooth out.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9779/YQ4Ihe.jpg)

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Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Tom Dulski on 09 May 2024, 11:57:18 AM

 Great looking troops.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Malamute on 09 May 2024, 02:37:50 PM
Viva Mexico!  :-*
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: CapnJim on 09 May 2024, 06:34:46 PM
This all looks great!  Looking forward to more progress.  Were you able to get a game in on April 30?
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 09 May 2024, 08:05:20 PM
This all looks great!  Looking forward to more progress.  Were you able to get a game in on April 30?

Sadly, no. I still hadn't finished enough of the troops by that point. But I've got a game scheduled for the 26th this month. I'll be sure to take some pictures then.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: CapnJim on 09 May 2024, 10:58:02 PM
Sadly, no. I still hadn't finished enough of the troops by that point. But I've got a game scheduled for the 26th this month. I'll be sure to take some pictures then.

Oh well - better late than never!  Looking forward to hearing about the action! 
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 11 May 2024, 06:30:55 AM
Here are the last remaining elements of the project, the Mexican regular troops and the FFL troops.

I painted the regulars in two different schemes. There’s really no difference between them, just that some are wearing their summer whites. But it was an easy way to differentiate the different units.

The antique cannon will play no part in this particular battle, but it might end up on the table on another night.

As with the militia, the mounted troops represent “mounted skirmishers” and not cavalry.

The entire FFL force totals just 36 figures against this horde of enemies. I imagine the game will end up looking like the final scene from the Wild Bunch, only with fewer machine guns. Most of the FFL are from Gringo40 but a few are from WF.

The casualty figures will be used as status markers.

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Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Tom Dulski on 12 May 2024, 12:17:33 PM

 The French look great
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: CapnJim on 12 May 2024, 06:02:10 PM
Great progress, there.  It all looks good.  Well done!
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: JBaumal on 12 May 2024, 09:25:00 PM
Great looking collection, beautiful brush work! Looking forward to some AAR’s.
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Mudyinsquall on 13 May 2024, 09:48:54 AM
Beautiful work, those whites are crisp!
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Altius on 27 May 2024, 05:29:23 PM
So, we finally had a chance to play this scenario. It didn’t turn out the way I expected it would. The Mexicans bravely assaulted the walls but were only able to kill a single legionnaire while losing dozens of their own. In the software business we like to say, “this is why we test”.

It seems that the FFL were a bit overpowered. The Mexicans had a pretty high hurdle to overcome. Each unit in good order rolled 12 dice to get sixes for a hit, but with the French in hard cover they had to roll four hits to get one kill. The statistics were against them.

I’m going to take this back to the drawing board and make a few adjustments and then we’ll try it again. Everyone was very enthusiastic about the game and I think we all had fun. If I can make the formula work, then I’d like to run this at Milleniumcon later this year.


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Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Freddy on 27 May 2024, 09:19:57 PM
Great looking battle!
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: trev on 28 May 2024, 11:03:27 PM
A wonderful project.   ;D
Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: Plynkes on 28 May 2024, 11:04:35 PM
A superb spread. I'm sure it will be loads of fun to play it once you iron out the kinks in the scenario design.  :)


Title: Re: My Camerone project
Post by: traveller on 29 May 2024, 08:48:51 AM
Impressive!  :-* :-* :-*