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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Doc Twilight on 19 November 2009, 04:42:40 AM
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Hello, everyone -
This project is still in its early stages, however... as I have intimated, Black Army will be doing a strictly historical range, and I'm in need of some references for some rather esoteric subjects.
Specifically, I am looking for photo references for the Danish Army in 1940. I have the organizational bit down (my latest book for Panzer Korps deals with this, actually!), but as you are probably aware (particularly those of you in Denmark) coverage of the subject is pretty awful!
I am hoping that some of you, particularly some of you in Denmark, might be able to help. Do you have any photos of Danish soldiers/officers for the ground forces from the period? I have a great respect for the Danish soldier, and I would like this subject to be covered with the best accuracy and respect that he deserves, so any help would be -greatly- appreciated. I've got photos of the resistance, but the Army itself? Difficult to find! I assure you that these photos will not be published - I'm mainly needing them for sculpting references.
Danish language captions are fine! But translation help would be appreciated;)
My thanks in advance,
Alex
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I have absolutely no knowledge of this subject, but I do know how to use google AND read danish, so maybe I can help you a small bit...
Try this one: http://www.chakoten.dk/cgi-bin/fm.cgi?n=374
Click on the 7th yellow button that reads "Det danske forsvar i mellemkrigsårene" to go the relevant topics.
It is written in danish, but it contains loads of info on the army. Maybe google translator can help here.
(fodfolk = infantry & rytteri = cavalry)
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Wouldn't it be wiser to release a series of irregular Danes (partisans) rather than regular troops? The Danish troops laid down arms almost immediately while by 1943 the resistance was very active.
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Wouldn't it be wiser to release a series of irregular Danes (partisans) rather than regular troops? The Danish troops laid down arms almost immediately while by 1943 the resistance was very active.
Fair question, Hammers.
The plan is to do the resistance eventually, however, there were quite a few battles during the brief campaign, and in fact, the Danes actually won some of them;) The plan is to do the Early War, beginning in 1940 (since the Poles are already thoroughly covered), and going roughly chronologically. So the Danes would be first on the list, followed by the Norwegians, etc. At any rate, there are some interesting "what ifs" to consider, given that the Danish Army was prepared to continue resistance.
-Doc
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Wouldn't it be wiser to release a series of irregular Danes (partisans) rather than regular troops? The Danish troops laid down arms almost immediately while by 1943 the resistance was very active.
And Cigarface, lest I forget, thank you very kindly for the link and the information about proper terms.
-Doc
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chakoten has an army 1940 page (actually 3) in english, too:
http://www.chakoten.dk/cgi-bin/fm.cgi?lang=dk&n=591
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What I know is that Denmark had a fairly small army. When there was general mobilization there weren't enough uniforms to go around so a lot of soldiers had civilian clothes and that very particular large pot helmet which was unique to the Danes.
I am keen to see Norwegians. No smear on Danes, but I always have felt they deserve a 28mm range since they fought quite long and bitterly. Lot of coll possible scenarios to, involving Brits, French Chasseurs Alpin and German Gebirgs- and Fallschimrjäger and naval troops.
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15mm I hope - no offence Hammers, but 15mm is more practical for this one as you can afford more guns/armour etc (not just in cash terms but also tablespace)
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15mm I hope - no offence Hammers, but 15mm is more practical for this one as you can afford more guns/armour etc (not just in cash terms but also tablespace)
It may well be that it is more practical but God disapproves with all things below 25mm and above 32mm. >:( ;)
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What I know is that Denmark had a fairly small army. When there was general mobilization there weren't enough uniforms to go around so a lot of soldiers had civilian clothes and that very particular large pot helmet which was unique to the Danes.
I'm not sure pot is how I would describe the shape of the Danish helmet. Personally I've always thought it bears a striking resemblance to a part of the male anatomy. One wonders if that played a part in the collapse of Danish resistance in 1940 being taunted as an army of dickheads. :)
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What I know is that Denmark had a fairly small army. When there was general mobilization there weren't enough uniforms to go around so a lot of soldiers had civilian clothes and that very particular large pot helmet which was unique to the Danes.
I am keen to see Norwegians. No smear on Danes, but I always have felt they deserve a 28mm range since they fought quite long and bitterly. Lot of coll possible scenarios to, involving Brits, French Chasseurs Alpin and German Gebirgs- and Fallschimrjäger and naval troops.
You'll be pleased to know that Norwegians are also a high priority for me. They'll be there, eventually. I'm basically looking at more or less chronological releases.
The debate here at Black Army HQ continues as to whether our first WW2releases will be in 15mm or 28mm... at the moment, it seems that they will likely be in 15mm (I know, I know), but 15mm is the more marketable WW2 scale, and more likely to turn a profit, to put it bluntly. As for 28mm stuff, I can only say that, in addition to what is already happening now with the Shanghai and Champions Ranges, we have something extremely...er... unique... in planning for 28mm. Which, hopefully, the WW2 stuff will help finance.
-Doc
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I'm quite supportive of the more 'off-beat' armies appearing for WW2. So seeing Danes, Norwegians and hopefully Czechs appearing is all good too me. 15mm is my chosen scale too... space and money (and painting talent) is at a premium! :(
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at the moment, it seems that they will likely be in 15mm
Well, it is *you* soul at peril. God is watching and he is stern. ;)
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Well, it is *you* soul at peril. God is watching and he is stern. ;)
But He is Swedish and would approve of Danes and Norwegians only being small :~}
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But He is Swedish and would approve of Danes and Norwegians only being small :~}
He could not possibly be Swedish - my Norwegian grandfather would have been wrong. And he was never wrong. At least, not as far asI will ever remember.
And I second Hammers. God will disapprove if you put Norwegians out in anything but 28mm.
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He could not possibly be Swedish - my Norwegian grandfather would have been wrong. And he was never wrong. At least, not as far asI will ever remember.
And I second Hammers. God will disapprove if you put Norwegians out in anything but 28mm.
Ignoring the question of divinity (but He is obviously not Danish), does your reply tacitly imply that the Danes can be midgets 15mm?
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Prompt vår sold vi vilja ha,
annars gå vi till Oranien
eller sälja oss åt Danien,
turken, påven eller satan,
bara han betalar bra
Almost Carl Snoilsky
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I'm afraid you're both wrong. God is obviously SanMarinese.;)
-Doc
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Ignoring the question of divinity (but He is obviously not Danish), does your reply tacitly imply that the Danes can be midgets 15mm?
Sure, I wouldn't collect them. ;)
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Bah! God is Spanish - my grandmother told me so many times - and as proof, she showed me that the Bible was written in Spanish! :)
Doc - any plans on doing 15mm Greeks?
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I'm afraid you're both wrong. God is obviously SanMarinese.;)
-Doc
That might only be proved if you released San Marino figures in 32mm :~]
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Doc - any plans on doing 15mm Greeks?
Are you requesting Greek WWII ?
That would be interesting....
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Bah! God is Spanish - my grandmother told me so many times - and as proof, she showed me that the Bible was written in Spanish! :)
Doc - any plans on doing 15mm Greeks?
Yes, absolutely.
The plan is to do things in roughly chronological order from the beginning of the German offensive in the West (Wesserubung), and then onward, to Barbarossa, so the Danes would be first, the Soviets would be last, and the Greeks would probably fall somewhere in the middle. (Need to look at my timeline again.) Supporting vehicles, too, although I'm still working on that part (I haven't found a vehicle sculptor.)
The only thing that might be roughly out of order would be the African Campaigns (East Africa and North Africa), but that depends upon how things go.
-Doc
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Will you be including "support" pieces - casualties, objective markers etc ?
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the italian offensive against Greece started on 28.10.1940! Italians defeated untill the intervention
Poland, Danemark. Norway, France, Netherlands, Belgium and not forget Chechoslovakia were under German rule already.
Hungary,Romania, Bulgaria, already allied to Axis.
Have I forgotten anyone?
Yugoslavia allied to germany and then after a "coup d' etat" on 06.04.1941 denied alliance with Axis and wiped out within a week or so. Invasion of Germany to Greece started. 55 days later: battle of Crete!
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Have I forgotten anyone?
Only one that I can think of off hand is Slovakia, which we'll also cover, eventually. Have no worries, the Greeks will be covered as will be the Italians.
Fastolfrus -
That's a good suggestion and yes, we'll certainly do it.
-Doc
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I think you should start from 1938.... Austrians, then Czechs... etc. :D
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Did the Austrians put up any resistance?
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I think you should start from 1938.... Austrians, then Czechs... etc. :D
Well, I do plan (or hope, anyway) to do Slovaks, who wore the Czech Army uniform during the Early War period. Close enough?:)
-Doc
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Just a question.
I am not sure that I have understood well.
Do you plan 15mm or 28mm figures?
My interest is for 28mm, only.
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Well, I do plan (or hope, anyway) to do Slovaks, who wore the Czech Army uniform during the Early War period. Close enough?:)
-Doc
More than acceptable. It would certainly beat modifying Italians, which is the FoW suggestion. o_o
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I demand 1938 Tibetan infantry, closely followed by the Uruguayan army of the same year and ’41 Vatican Swiss Guard, all in both 15 and 28mm!
;)
(And while you’re at it, a few 15mm Romanian tank crews would be nice)
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Ignoring the question of divinity (but He is obviously not Danish),
I think He used to live here. But he moved away about 8 years ago.... Due to more restrictions on foreigners...
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I think He used to live here. But he moved away about 8 years ago.... Due to more restrictions on foreigners...
He would have to be English... it would explain a lot of things actually. :?
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Hi,
I've started putting together a collection for ww2 skirmish games from 1939 and 1940 along with a couple of mates from the local club.
I've got Norwegians (Valkyrie), German Army (Black Tree), Czechs and Brits (Crusader). The other lads have German Para's, Mountain troops and in Greatcoats (Black Tree), French and Poles (again BT i think). All in 28mm of course.
We opened with a game last tuesday night set in Norway using modified LotOW rules and a good time was had by all.
Anyway, I'd love to see 28mm Danes, Dutch and Belgians, Finns, Russians Yugoslavians, Greeks and anyone else who got caught up in the early days of the war - there's so much scope.
Keep us posted!!
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Sadly to say but my God approves WW2 land actions only in 15mm and 6mm... 28mm is for wimpy skirmishes!
Looking forward to norwegians in 15mm.
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Sadly to say but my God approves WW2 land actions only in 15mm and 6mm... 28mm is for wimpy skirmishes!
Looking forward to norwegians in 15mm.
The first wave of Norwegians are very close to finished. The sculptor is about half done. Haven't decided what will be next.
-Doc
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Finns please ;)
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Finns please ;)
Finns are -very- well covered at this point, to be honest, GW. Maybe we'll do some eventually, but there are a number of companies doing them in 15mm at the moment.
-Doc