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Title: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 12/04/25, p. 7)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on March 27, 2024, 11:03:43 AM
Finally took the plunge and started some Late Medieval nonsense. Focus will be the Burgundian Wars, with some deviations to other theatres. All heavily inspired by (or rather merely copied from) the most venerable examples of Painterman, Charlie & Stuart, of course. But nowhere near as ambitious.

First off, some civilians. Painted these for a small painting contest to enliven the setting. Photos thereof later as the competition's still running.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-270324093426-622072181.jpeg)

A wild mix of manufacturers, from left to right: Pro Gloria/Warlord, Kingmaker/1st Corps (replaced her flail with a broom), Perry, Perry, Pro Gloria/Warlord, Hasslefree.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-270324093426-622091876.jpeg)

Also dug up from the Mountains of Lead and Plastic the Arnolfini couple by Lead Adventure Miniatures. Like the woman in "Landsknecht" slit dress above these are slightly out of bounds for the 1470s. Yet there are already very few civilians to choose from, and the sculpts are too nice to exclude them. Just reduced the groom's necklace and sword to a 'less fantasy' size.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-270324093426-62210476.jpeg)

I've already started a couple of 'proper wargaming models', i. e. some knights, bowmen etc, so they will likely appear next. Hope you bear with me  :)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: OSHIROmodels on March 27, 2024, 11:27:04 AM
Splendid work Tilman  8)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: has.been on March 27, 2024, 02:52:19 PM
Beautiful paint jobs.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: painterman on March 27, 2024, 04:18:49 PM
Hey, those are wonderfully done - great use of colours and fantastic detailing.
hope you do more.
Simon
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: bluewillow on March 27, 2024, 04:55:37 PM
Great stuff, have a look at the foundry civilian range also

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: rumacara on March 27, 2024, 08:36:36 PM
Lovely painting. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: FifteensAway on March 28, 2024, 04:00:31 AM
Lovely work.  But is the bride attending a 'shotgun' wedding?!  :o
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on March 28, 2024, 05:45:02 PM
Thanks all  :)

@bluewillow, I have Foundry's HYW civilians though their dress is a bit too distinctly 14th century for my taste.
@FifteensAway, I hope not lol IIRC there's some debate if Van Eyck's work is a wedding portrait anyway.

Also @painterman, thanks for your kind words. Better be prepared for some outright plagiarism…

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280324173211-622171826.jpeg)

Indeed, that's my … interpretation of a medieval cottage as seen on painterman's blog (http://harness-and-array.blogspot.com/2014/01/medieval-cottage-completed.html). I only altered the layout and tried to substitute the original parts I hadn't access to. Hence I used a plastic kit by Tabletop Workshop for the main building and recreated both shed and palisades with styrofoam, balsa wood and plastic rod (for nails).

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280324173211-622151836.jpeg)

I also exchanged the beehives (which I was too heavy-handed to replicate) for a chicken coop. It's probably not very authentic but a feature of even the smallest medieval farmsteads.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280324173211-62214777.jpeg)

Some paraphernalia like the tree or the chicken are removable since I already had gone overboard with useless detail. After all, the piece is meant for wargaming.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280324173211-622162482.jpeg)

Modelling terrain is one of my least favourite aspects of wargaming. Yet some time ago I told myself to do at least one piece per new hobby project in order to have something period-appropriate to set the scene. It really makes a difference. This time I'm glad someone did all the hard thinking for me. And I do hope it's taken as a tribute rather than theft.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280324173211-622111457.jpeg)

Next up, military figures. Promise.

Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: OSHIROmodels on March 28, 2024, 06:13:31 PM
Modelling terrain is one of my least favourite aspects of wargaming.

And yet you're so good  8)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Basementboy on March 28, 2024, 06:13:49 PM
Lovely work! Absolutely gorgeous terrain ;)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Charlie_ on March 28, 2024, 06:16:37 PM
Modelling terrain is one of my least favourite aspects of wargaming.

Yet you've done a bloody good job of it!

Not only the composition, but the painting of the buildings, fences etc is superb.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: rumacara on March 28, 2024, 06:42:21 PM
That medieval cottage is something. :-* :-* :-*
Very well done Tilman.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: syrinx0 on March 28, 2024, 07:12:54 PM
Very nice. That will look fantastic on your gaming table.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Captain Blood on March 28, 2024, 08:37:54 PM
Lovely start  :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on March 29, 2024, 08:00:17 AM
Fantastic selection of miniatures and beautiful painting! The house with gardens is also really a piece of eye-candy :-*

Looking forward to following this thread here
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Ragnar on March 29, 2024, 08:36:54 AM
Lovely stuff.  I am enjoying how the projects develops. 
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Codsticker on March 30, 2024, 02:49:45 PM
That is a beautiful little farmstead.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Atheling on March 30, 2024, 03:47:25 PM
Both the miniatures and the building are fantastic!  :-* :o :o :o :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: painterman on March 30, 2024, 06:10:42 PM
That's a great looking abode Doc; loving the chicken shed, which I may plagiarise right back!!
Simon
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on May 05, 2024, 06:42:28 PM
Thanks a lot for all your comments, they're much appreciated!  :)
I'm making good progress but seriously lack the time for taking photos and posting them on here (or anywhere else). So this is merely a quick update on things yet to come.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-050524182949.jpeg)

All Perry again, including a few and very minor conversions; 'reversed' hat and the like. The dial counters by Warbases are a well-known accoutrement, of course. I find 'gore' effects are easily overdone, thus these casualties are quite toned down. Basing still to be done.

More soon-ish. You know the drill.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: valleyboy on May 05, 2024, 07:01:00 PM
Bloody superb painting and good to see unbloody casualties which is a personal preference
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Charlie_ on May 05, 2024, 07:04:38 PM
Yes, I prefer casualties to be clean of blood, but to be honest I don't really know why! It's not as if I'm squeamish.

Really amazing painting.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on May 05, 2024, 07:25:37 PM
There is some very nice work here - well done  :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Stärn vo Buebebärg on May 06, 2024, 07:42:39 AM
Wonderful work! This all looks very promising, I really the balance you manage to strike between the clothes and armour looking worn, used and natural without looking too dirty either. Impressive!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on May 06, 2024, 08:01:03 AM
Fantastic painting, I love the rich saturated colours and the composition of it all! This is a great project to follow!

Would you mind how you proceed with painting the cloth on your miniatures ? Do you apply basecoats washes and highlights?
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: levied troop on May 06, 2024, 08:38:03 AM
Beautiful painting and that building is  :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on May 06, 2024, 06:50:55 PM
Many thanks again for your comments! A few replies are in order.

Yes, I prefer casualties to be clean of blood, but to be honest I don't really know why! It's not as if I'm squeamish.

I find minis drenched in blood a bit silly. Thank goodness I've never had to suffer seeing people killed in violent encounters. Yet even if there's a lot of gore and intestines involved, why would I display that in great detail on my kitchen table? That said, I will convert some minis for additional markers, and there may be some more blood and violence. But all in good measure.

I really the balance you manage to strike between the clothes and armour looking worn, used and natural without looking too dirty either.

Regarding armour, TBH, this is more of a happy accident and the camera struggling with metallic surfaces. I would love to depict some of the guys, the higher-ups in particular, in mirror-like shining armour. Polished steel was quite common apparently. But I've yet to find paints which provide a convincing finish. I also struggle quite a bit with separating the plates, which realistically shouldn't have pronounced edges – it just looks better, though. Well, onwards and upwards.

Would you mind how you proceed with painting the cloth on your miniatures ? Do you apply basecoats washes and highlights?

Basically it's the old triad method, famously mastered by Kevin Dallimore. I just tend to replace the shade colour by using washes on the basecoat colour. Re-apply that main colour, add some highlights – done. I include more than one highlight, if the first one blends into the basecoat too much. Sometimes it works just fine, on other occasions (like on the fallen Burgundian on the left) contrast gets a bit stark. Perhaps I'll do a step-by-step at some point, but it's really nothing spectacular.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Corso on May 06, 2024, 07:04:57 PM
Very nice painting - contrast is lovely and looks very natural. The pike group looks very cohesive without sacrificing individuality.

I noticed the Cadian Fleshtone paint with the old label - that's a good product. Having bought a couple of "newer" versions of the paint I did notice less opacity and being satin.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: MaleGriffin on May 06, 2024, 07:06:57 PM
Masterfully done! Brilliant! I love your color palette!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Tonhel on May 06, 2024, 09:07:17 PM
Looks amazing! :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: painterman on May 07, 2024, 07:01:20 PM
Hi
Great poses and conversions, to get the wonderful interactions between the figures.
Then theres the immense painting.
Wot's not to wonder at and love!
Simon
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Captain Harlock on May 24, 2024, 09:12:19 PM
Really great painting!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on June 02, 2024, 11:04:25 AM
Cheers guys!  :)

Progress is fairly fast-paced. Taking pictures not so much. This is despite me having built a new setup to hasten the process – only to find my camera doesn't like it and produces photos with colouration all over the place. Oh well.

Nevertheless I took heart and started to take a few snapshots. Here's the first couple, showing two bases of Burgundian (dis)mounted archers.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-020624105755-62671735.jpeg)

As expected, these are Perry miniatures, both plastic and metal. The banner is from a sheet kindly provided by poulppy who's on here (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=135386.0) as well. Being me, I chose a pattern associated with the 16th ordonnance company, while I wanted to represent the 15th. Mind you, there seems to be little consistency in the Burgundians' use of flags anyway  ::)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-020624105755-62672133.jpeg)

I mixed in some 'billmen' (possibly dismounted coustilliers or sergeants) and provided most of the men with riding boots. Both inspired by contemporary depictions like the engravings by 'Meister WA', likely ordered by Charles the Bold himself.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-020624105755-62673739.png)

(Source (https://sammlungenonline.albertina.at?queryid=88c96aa8-3f6a-477c-8aba-a98dd29f954f&language=de), there are more on view.)

To be fair, I can't take credit for this idea as I (again) preyed upon painterman's hard work. Standing on the shoulders of giants, as they say.

Next up, the finished pikemen previewed above. Then finally some proper knights!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Charlie_ on June 02, 2024, 03:46:50 PM
Absolutely superb! Among the best paintjobs I've seen on these Perry figs.

Could you share what colours you used on the bows? I'm debating whether to repaint all my bows as they are currently an unrealist dark brown. Yours look the right sort of colour - I'd be interested to hear which exact paints you used, and if its just a two or three stages of highlights technique?
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on June 02, 2024, 04:14:02 PM
High praise, Charlie, thanks a lot!

Most of the wooden bits get fairly the same treatment; a basecoat of beige brown (I use Vallejo Tan-Earth or Brown Sand but Citadel’s Steel Legion Drab might work as well) to which I add increasing amounts of any off-white (for me it’s Vallejo Pale Sand) for highlights. Some pieces receive a dark brown wash (AP Strong Tone or Citadel’s Agrax) in between or afterwards to tone things down a bit. It’s definitely no advanced technique - I have no time for that. To me the results look like ash or yew, so good enough.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Basementboy on June 02, 2024, 04:45:58 PM
Cracking work! And flags are always a right bother, I can sympathise with you there lol
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Charlie_ on June 02, 2024, 05:24:07 PM
High praise, Charlie, thanks a lot!

Most of the wooden bits get fairly the same treatment; a basecoat of beige brown (I use Vallejo Tan-Earth or Brown Sand but Citadel’s Steel Legion Drab might work as well) to which I add increasing amounts of any off-white (for me it’s Vallejo Pale Sand) for highlights. Some pieces receive a dark brown wash (AP Strong Tone or Citadel’s Agrax) in between or afterwards to tone things down a bit. It’s definitely no advanced technique - I have no time for that. To me the results look like ash or yew, so good enough.

Thanks for that, I think I'll order those vallejo colours. I've already got a go-to drab>off-white combo which I use for padded jacks, so I need a slightly different one for bows and arrows. Especially as some of these metal minis have jacks, arrow bags, arrows and bows all touching... can't all be the same colour!
You can't really have too many shades of brown and beige in the paint rack...
Repainting the bows and arrow bundles should be an easy task, the off putting thing is I'll probably have to rebase several units to access them with the paintbrush!!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: MaleGriffin on June 02, 2024, 07:43:09 PM
Gorgeous! Thank you for sharing your methods!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: valleyboy on June 02, 2024, 08:59:19 PM
Stunning - what a lovely unit
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Tonhel on June 03, 2024, 12:10:38 PM
That's beautiful! :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Stärn vo Buebebärg on June 03, 2024, 01:50:53 PM
Lovely unit! I particularly like the bowman turning back to say something to his comrades, an unusual pose but very dynamic.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Captain Blood on June 03, 2024, 05:56:33 PM
Beautiful work on those Tilman  :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Corso on June 06, 2024, 07:27:01 PM
Lovely  :-*

Great painting, nice highlighting. Bravo!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Constable Bertrand on June 06, 2024, 10:47:40 PM
Ooh that outfit is very tasty, the colours and contrasts work really well together with the mixed silhouettes of the minis.

 8)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on June 23, 2024, 08:01:10 PM
Previously hinted at, now finally done; a couple of Burgundian pikemen.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-230624194241-62900302.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-230624194241-62901713.jpeg)

Most of them were possibly sent by the Low(er Burgundian) Countries. Hence they are accompanied by a foot knight bearing the arms of the Brabantian Van Glymes family (who lost a son at the siege of Neuss in 1475).

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-230624194241-62880439.jpeg)


I also included an 'NCO' wielding a large pavise. These were quite common in neighbouring Germany, perhaps deployed as 'front rankers' in a given pike- or polearmed formation.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-230624194241-629022423.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-230624194241-629031611.jpeg)

Only minor conversion work this time. A turned hat (the 'Robin Hood' type was quite fashionable among Burgundians) for the trumpeter and some arms nicked from the bills & bows set. All by Perry Miniatures, of course. Even the banner.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings
Post by: Basementboy on June 23, 2024, 08:10:15 PM
Gorgeous! How do you go about researching arms, etc? I’d love to achieve that level of historicity but it always seems rather daunting lol
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on June 23, 2024, 08:27:15 PM
@Basementboy To be perfectly honest, it can be quite time consuming lol In this instance all information is available online. I started with a general search for dynasties of the Burgundian Low Countries. The Van Glymes family is fairly well covered, because they were involved in court politics and produced some high-ranking officials. Dutch Wikipedia has an annotated genealogy – and there was "Philips van Glymes (1447–1475)" who died at Neuss.
Google Books and the Internet Archive are very useful and often perfectly sufficient resources as well for this kind of 'research'.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: HappyChappy439 on June 23, 2024, 08:31:22 PM
Fantastic work! Always great to see some Burgundians painted up!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: Charlie_ on June 23, 2024, 11:56:00 PM
Excellent unit!

@Basementboy To be perfectly honest, it can be quite time consuming lol In this instance all information is available online. I started with a general search for dynasties of the Burgundian Low Countries. The Van Glymes family is fairly well covered, because they were involved in court politics and produced some high-ranking officials. Dutch Wikipedia has an annotated genealogy – and there was "Philips van Glymes (1447–1475)" who died at Neuss.
Google Books and the Internet Archive are very useful and often perfectly sufficient resources as well for this kind of 'research'.

It can indeed be very time consuming, but really rewarding when you stumble upon a little nugget of information, a coat of arms and some biographical details of a relatively obscure noble who you can use in your project.

I've managed to get hold of a Dutch article that gives really detailed information on all the nobles in Maximilian's Burgundian court from 1477 onwards - obviously a lot of these guys had previously served Charles the Bold, and it details all of their recorded military activity among other things. There are several members of the Van Glymes family in it.

What's very useful is if you find any of these Burgundian nobles were Knights of the Golden Fleece, as then you are pretty much guaranteed to be able to find their coats of arms. I've researched Burgundian nobles for my project this way - find a list of those who joined the Order of the Golden Fleece from 1478 onwards under Maximilian's sovereignty, so I have their heraldry (or at least what it was for the year they joined the Order), then look them up in my Dutch source, and will probably find info on any battles they were present at, smaller engagements they were involved in, and any important offices they held. Though I don't speak or read any other languages, Google Translate does a pretty damn good job and makes these sources in other languages accessible.

So looking at my translated notes (I have just kept notes for the ones relevant for my project, who were active post 1477), I can tells you there was a Cornelis van Bergen (or Glymes-Bergen... a branch of the Van Bergen family) who fought for Charles the Bold at the battle of Nancy, where he was taken prisoner. He then served Maximilian, leading an ordonnance company of 50 men-at-arms, helping defend Hainault from the French, and was at the battle of Guinegate in 1479. He later fought against various rebels and trouble-makers in Liege, Holland and Guelders. He was made a Knight of the Golden Fleece in 1501.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 24, 2024, 03:04:10 AM
Lovely additions Tilman  8)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: Captain Blood on June 24, 2024, 09:16:53 AM
Extremely nice.
Love the trick with the turned around hat - that’s one I hadn’t thought of  lol
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: Maxromek on June 24, 2024, 01:15:13 PM
These are fantastic! Very inspirational :)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: rumacara on June 24, 2024, 06:46:47 PM
Nice. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: RedRowan on June 24, 2024, 08:44:34 PM
Those are very nice.

Steve
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: bluechi on June 24, 2024, 11:51:41 PM
some personalities of Karls army

Jakob von Savoyen
Jost von Lalain
Louis de Chalon
Heinrich von Neuenburg-Blamont
Peter von Hagenbach (most hated Person in the Rhine valley)

and and and.....

nice paintjob :D
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (pikemen p. 3)
Post by: Tonhel on June 25, 2024, 06:08:35 PM
 :-* :-* Beautiful!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on June 28, 2024, 10:41:41 PM
Thanks all for your comments :)
Did a quick shot for a small challenge on another forum. So here goes; Philippe Loyet, a Burgundian knight, commanded the 15th Ordonnance company at the sieges of Neuss and Nancy in 1475.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280624223749-629291364.jpeg)

In the Burgundian succession wars he stoutly supported the claim of (future emperor) Maximilian of Habsburg, for which he was honoured as "the knight beyond reproach". As such he's also commemorated on his tomb in the church of St Anatoile at Salins-le-Bains, where he died in 1511.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280624223749-629331366.jpeg)

Since their family name derived from "l'hostie" (sacred host), the Loyet coat of arms has the Lamb of God in blue field. So I searched for some 15th century iconography online, put it through Photoshop, then printed and coloured it in.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280624223749-629341823.jpeg)

Miniatures are by the Perrys; Loyet started as Edward IV who got a new plastic horse, a commander's mace and a 'bannerole' (of tin foil) attached to his helmet. His banner bearer is a straight built from the knights box with just a pair of feathers, a Burgundian cross (originally made of cloth) and some tack added.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-280624223749-62932124.jpeg)

This was a fun side project, both in research and a bit of modelling. Even if I mixed up my sources for the company banners, young Loyet shall command my not-15th "sans reproche" as well.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: marianas_gamer on June 29, 2024, 12:24:08 AM
Nice work and I really appreciate the semi-tutorial on the banner.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: commissarmoody on June 29, 2024, 07:09:42 AM
They are beautifully done. And that flag is gorgeous.  :D
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Charlie_ on June 29, 2024, 10:42:22 AM
Oh yes, very nice, and an excellent choice of an obscure noble! Philippe de Loyet was also led the Burgundians/Germans to victory against the French at the battle of Dournon in 1493.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Basementboy on June 29, 2024, 06:29:12 PM
Looks gorgeous! Love the banner :)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Bloggard on June 30, 2024, 10:26:02 AM
love the painting and photography.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Captain Blood on June 30, 2024, 02:07:23 PM
Super  :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: bluechi on June 30, 2024, 10:37:51 PM
Weltklasse .....hope to see Friedrich Kappler
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on July 06, 2024, 03:50:40 PM
Thanks all, glad you enjoy the ride :)

Hobby time's quite limited at the moment. So instead of painting fiddly bits (and horses  >:() I turned to some relaxing conversion work. Again, shamelessly plagiarizing the great painterman (see his ingenious original here (http://je-lay-emprins.blogspot.com/2013/02/wheeling-gun.html)) I'm cutting up some miniatures for a custom crew repositioning their gun.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/1034-060724154716.jpeg)

Like with the original I used a labourer (who lost his shovel) and two pikemen (without their levelled weapons) for the basic setup. The two plastic models were way easier to get into shape, of course. I was even too lazy to model a suitable hat for the Italian master gunner; merely used a Late Roman head (by Victrix) wearing a 'pillbox' hat, which is close enough for me. Some bits and pieces will complete the look, and I do hope the finished piece will do justice to its 'role model'.

Only a minor update. More to come.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Corso on July 06, 2024, 08:08:50 PM
The addition of the Victrix head is a great idea - I think you'll also find useful many of the non-bearded bare heads from their Late Roman range.

Am following your project with great interest - such projects, besides being a joy to follow, are a great source of inspiration.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (a commanding presence p. 4)
Post by: Basementboy on July 09, 2024, 03:58:27 PM
This is lovely! Can't wait to see it painted up :D
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 14/07/24, p. 5)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on July 14, 2024, 06:12:42 PM
Okay, here it is.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-140724161946-630681933.jpeg)

Like said, the piece itself is totally unoriginal and, at best, another tribute to painterman's work.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-140724161946-630931368.jpeg)

The same goes for the story; Duke Charles was a keen advertiser of the use of artillery. If mostly for sieges. So when the Burgundians suffered several defeats by the Swiss in open battle they lost their often entrenched guns as well. That's why I liked the idea of the crew hastily repositioning their piece in an – ultimately futile? – attempt to counter the approaching enemy.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-140724161946-630941351.jpeg)

My own ingredient is limited to the actual paintjob. Here I chose to give the man in his undies a doublet made of two fabrics; the main body made from cheap undyed linnen, sleeves and collar (both visible when worn with the usual open jacket) in colour. Quite common a fashion for the less well-off.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-140724161946-63095248.jpeg)

Next up some mounted men-at-arms/knights. Has to be, it's still the Age of Chivalry after all  :D
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 14/07/24, p. 5)
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 14, 2024, 06:15:32 PM
That's lovely  8)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 14/07/24, p. 5)
Post by: Corso on July 15, 2024, 11:05:59 AM
The field piece and crew turned out pretty good :)

Love the riot of colours of their clothing.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 14/07/24, p. 5)
Post by: Basementboy on July 15, 2024, 02:00:50 PM
Beautiful work as always :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 14/07/24, p. 5)
Post by: Captain Blood on July 15, 2024, 06:01:50 PM
Sumptuous  :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 14/07/24, p. 5)
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on July 16, 2024, 09:33:37 AM
Stunning work! I really love those rich, vibrant colours! Great work on the metal of the cannon too :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 14/07/24, p. 5)
Post by: Stärn vo Buebebärg on July 16, 2024, 10:22:35 AM
Another wonderful piece!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 08/08/24, p. 5)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on August 08, 2024, 05:38:31 PM
And again, thanks to one and all for taking the time to comment!  :)

Well, horses, my old arch-enemies. But this time, I can’t really pin it on them. Once again, I was either a) way too busy or b) way too lazy to take photos. Take your pick.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-080824170330-63304294.jpeg)

You can’t have the medieval era without knights. Here, the “real” ones and the “pretenders” are all mixed up. By that, I mean the noble “hommes d’armes” and the “coustilliers” – maybe just as noble by birth, but with less cash and ambition than their bosses. The world’s always been unfair. – As for gear, the two ranks probably didn’t look much different. In my version, some have slightly heavier armour than others. For the lighter-armoured riders, shields, known as tartsches, were still pretty common.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-080824170330-63305535.jpeg)

To add a bit of flair, one of the noble blokes is joined by his greyhounds. They were way too pricey and useless in a fight to actually bring into battle. But it does highlight the snobbery of these guys – comparing them to gangsta rappers seems spot on.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-080824170330-633062368.jpeg)

On a more serious note: The gear for all parts of the ordonnance companies was strictly regulated. Knights were supposed to have not only themselves but also their horses fully armoured. In reality, though, it looks like the horses were often spared. They also had to carry a war hammer (or axe) as a secondary weapon on the saddle, along with plumes and/or pennons as helmet decorations, and a Burgundian cross made of fabric, worn on the chest as field signs. As usual, it’s anyone’s guess how much of this was actually done, especially in the chaos of everlasting war.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-080824170330-633072173.jpeg)

The figures are cobbled together from various Perry sets. The dogs are from Steel Fist Miniatures, the company banner from the “Flags, Banners and Pennons” blog, and the ‘war standard’ from Pete’s Flags.

Hope you like 'em anyway.

PS: I really hate to use watermarks. It's so pretentious. But since I share these pictures on various platforms, I have to make it a bit harder for people to reuse them without permission.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 08/08/24, p. 5)
Post by: Tonhel on August 08, 2024, 09:04:21 PM
Amazing :-*!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 08/08/24, p. 5)
Post by: Basementboy on August 12, 2024, 03:12:58 PM
Gorgeous stuff as always! Love the guy with the flag on the far right, he looks very unhappy to be there lol
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 08/08/24, p. 5)
Post by: Captain Blood on August 13, 2024, 06:34:24 PM
Excellent Tilman  :-*
A wonderful sense of movement.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 08/08/24, p. 5)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on August 26, 2024, 03:07:33 PM
Bit of an interlude. I'm not the biggest fan of graphic novels, yet this one piqued my interest.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-260824145146-63583419.jpeg)

A familiar name to the Osprey audience, Embleton junior appears to be as dedicated to drawing arms & armour as his father. This volume on the Burgundian Wars is the third installment in a series presenting Swiss (military) history to young readers. Although the title suggests a broader focus, it only depicts the two major battles of 1476: Grandson and Murten/Morat. The political background remains somewhat sketchy, so these battle scenes are likely the book's main selling point.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-260824145146-635841887.jpeg)

Given its target audience, no advanced skill in French (if any, tbh) is required. The illustrations include a lot of nice period detail, besides references to contemporary art (like this depiction (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlacht_bei_Grandson#/media/Datei:Berner_Chronik_Eidgenossen_beten_vor_Schlacht_bei_Grandson.jpg) from Diebold Schilling's Berne Chronicle). There's also an appendix which highlights some historical aspects and artistic choices.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/63/1034-260824145146-63585154.jpeg)

Ordered from Amazon – yeah, I know – it came in at EUR 22.00 for a 48-page hardcover. For such a nice product and quite possibly a niche interest that's fair enough. As a primer and to tickle (not only) young people's fancy this book is well worth a look. I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/08/24, p. 6)
Post by: Mellal on October 03, 2024, 10:55:41 AM
Just went throught the 6 pages and saw some lovely painting here, inspiring !

Merci pour le conseil de lecture  ;)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on March 26, 2025, 06:31:49 PM
Yet again, change of pace. No Burgundians (the latest additions still need some final touch-ups and proper photos), Late Medieval nevertheless.

A while back, I got properly hooked on Andrzej Sapkowski's Narrenturm trilogy--probably better known for The Witcher books. I reckon this saga, set during the Hussite Wars, deserves the same recognition, maybe even as a Kingdom Come: Deliverance-style game (which, coincidentally, has been eating up my time as well).

These novels are a goldmine for wargamers, especially if you enjoy skirmish-level battles. That's why The Ruckus was the perfect excuse to dive once again into the lead and plastic pile.

As a result here are two retinues: First the Hussites, led by Urban Horn (all in black), with Samson Miodek (goedendag in hand) and Szarlej (rocking his "rapier").

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/1034-260325180914-655481396.jpeg)

The Crusaders, under Otto of Bergow (who sports some snazzy 'white armour'), with Lothar of Gersdorf (in a hundsgugel) and Hartung Kluex (described as a "handsome, serrated" type, hence no helmet, typical show-off). Here I took the chance to include some proper knights on horseback.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/1034-260325180914-655491295.jpeg)

The rules recommend/require a dismounted figure for each mounted one. Hence I tried to cobble together some lookalikes. (For example Kluex' head comes from the Perrys' Beja set). Both retinues are as such at overstrength, providing some variation. The minis are a mishmash of manufacturers--mainly Perry plastics, with a few Kingmaker models and bits from Wargames Atlantic, plus an old Bretonnian Knight Errant that's been lying around for nearly 25 years!

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/1034-260325180914-655472062.jpeg)

And for you history buffs; Bergow's reversed (compared to KCD2's depiction) coat of arms, on him and his retainers, is based on the near contemporary Wappensaal in Lauf Castle (near Nuremberg, Germany):

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/1034-260325180914-655502064.jpeg)

Now that they're finished, I'm already thinking about expanding further. Maybe some war wagons next... though I know they'll probably just sit there half-painted, like everything else!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: syrinx0 on March 27, 2025, 12:49:58 AM
More brilliant painting.  Looking forward to the war wagons whenever you get a chance to paint them.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: Atheling on March 27, 2025, 07:00:03 AM
Very nice work indeed  :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: RedRowan on March 27, 2025, 07:22:19 AM
They look brilliant.

Steve
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: Ragnar on March 27, 2025, 07:50:33 AM
Lovely stuff Doc.  You have got me thinking about again about a central/eastern European themed project.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: Basementboy on March 27, 2025, 08:15:10 AM
Brilliant stuff! The Hussite Wars are a fantastic piece of history, I might have to take a look at Narremturn. Love the minis as always, each one is oozing character :D
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: Captain Blood on March 27, 2025, 08:28:33 AM
Wonderful kitbashing and painting, Tilman. And a very well curated collection.
Love the flying fish heraldic motif. I might borrow a version of that for my current medieval tinkerings ;)
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: MaaX on March 27, 2025, 10:33:50 AM
They look great!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: .:Gunslinger:. on March 31, 2025, 11:49:13 AM
Fantastic kitbashing and painting ! Two very nice little retinues.

What are your thoughts on the Ruckus rules so far ?
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on April 02, 2025, 11:07:55 AM
Thanks a lot, everyone! :)

@syrinx0 No wagons in the foreseeable future, I'm afraid. They may have been a Hussite mainstay in big battles, but not so much when foraging or raiding cross-country. Plus, two major drawbacks--at least for me: they're massive, while my storage space is tiny, and, worst of all, more dreaded horses to paint ...

@.:Gunslinger:. Unfortunately, I haven't done any wargaming in years, so for me, rules have become just convenient guidelines for the odd painting project. The small scope of Ruckus lets me put together some warbands without too much commitment. Not a fan of the layout or how the (core/additional) rules are scattered across multiple magazines and platforms, but can't really say anything substantial about actual gameplay. Sorry!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: Marine0846 on April 03, 2025, 06:51:17 PM
Great looking figures. :-*
Sure wish the books in your earlier post were in English.
Would love to read them.
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 26/03/25, p. 6)
Post by: rumacara on April 04, 2025, 06:52:13 PM
Nice ones Tilman. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (12/04/25, p. 7)
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on April 12, 2025, 01:43:50 PM
Thanks Rui & Marine0846 :)

Resuming the original take of this thread, here are some pre-basing Archers du corps sporting the flamboyant livery of Antoine le Grand Bâtard. A welcome diversion from the usual 'uniform' (and not just parade ground troops), these men appear to be a common feature in most Burgundian wargaming armies. So I had to include them at some point :D

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/65/1034-120425134102.jpeg)

Some minor kit-bashing (feathers, arms) and amateur putty-pushing (boots) to achieve that polished elite look. Given the widespread use of glaives among French/Burgundian guardsmen, the NCO is armed with one as well.

Meanwhile, work on some mountain-dwellers is underway … stay tuned!
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 12/04/25, p. 7)
Post by: Hu Rhu on April 12, 2025, 01:49:19 PM
Lovely painting.  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 12/04/25, p. 7)
Post by: Atheling on April 12, 2025, 02:54:59 PM
Quite superb  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Late Medieval Loiterings (UP 12/04/25, p. 7)
Post by: Ogrob on April 12, 2025, 05:09:59 PM
They look great. Took me a moment to recognise the Perry figures when I first saw the image, so I'd say the putty work is very succesful.