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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: DivisMal on 20 April 2024, 02:40:09 PM
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Hi Folks, or rather, salve!
Just saw this and after a first desinterest, I might biy the set when it comes out.
The sprues look excellent and the idea to have a nice boxed set with everything included really appeals to me.
https://sweetwater-forum.net/index.php/topic,27271.0.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLMHkAPeINg
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I’ve been waiting on this for a while, good to see it’s finally on the way :D
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I assume these are like the other Warlord Epic offerings and nothing like 12mm scale?
The design of the legionaries is interesting - to assume that they are so closely ranked that you only see the front of the front rank, the heads of the middle rank, and the rear of the back rank. Hard to tell from the video how well this works in practice.
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I assume these are like the other Warlord Epic offerings and nothing like 12mm scale?
The design of the legionaries is interesting - to assume that they are so closely ranked that you only see the front of the front rank, the heads of the middle rank, and the rear of the back rank. Hard to tell from the video how well this works in practice.
That's about the long and short of it from what I saw at salute - three ranks deep, middle rank is just heads and the left/right side of the outer soldiers, then the front is just fronts and the back is just backs.
They looked the part to me from inside their display case.
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I think imperial romans would have fited better the blocky look. :D
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Punic Wars.
Good choice.
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I´m intrigued, but not sure it's enough to buy into the game or not yet.
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Punic Wars.
Good choice.
Agreed lol
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Intriguing. Depends a lot on the scale for me. If it roughly fits with other 15mm ranges I’m in.
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Intriguing. Depends a lot on the scale for me. If it roughly fits with other 15mm ranges I’m in.
The epic blackpowder figures are on the small size and very realistically proportioned next to most metal 15mm figures I hear, so this may well be the same.
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Big question I have is decals for the shields.
Both from Warlord and other manufacturers.
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They are interesting but the shields seem over large.
I already have Punic Wars in 54mm so won't be buying in anyway...
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I'm really excited to paint those Celtic front ranker shields. And the Romans' feather plumes. Those elephants look so cute.
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Those elephants look so cute.
If they manage to expand into the Alexandrian period then I will get Porus' army just so I can field a couple of dozen elephants. It should be manageable in this scale :D
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I am hoping that they release a Punic Wars suppliment book.
Not interested in the figures, I don't rate the 'epic' scale ranges and I do have large collects of all the major combatants in the Wars.
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If they manage to expand into the Alexandrian period then I will get Porus' army just so I can field a couple of dozen elephants. It should be manageable in this scale :D
I like the idea of epic, but I just "finished" Punic Wars in 28mm and have no need to start over in a new scale. Put if they make pike phalanxes, I'll be all in on Alex, Persians and Successor wars. Even a small table would look grand with dozens of these little units.
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It would be quite interesting if they expand the war as the period has a lot of excellent battles of different armies that would allow.
I've noted though that some folks were quite disappointed that they didn't expand the Napoleonic range to, for example, include the Austrians.
So we will have to wait and see.
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Yes, I was very surprised that they didn't expand the Napoleonic range, but kept to a restricted "Waterloo" theme. I could see them expanding into a late Successor army as another opponent for the Polybian Romans but I guess other ancient periods will depend on popularity plus whatever plans they have. I have a host of 28mm armies including Punic Wars so won't be spending my cash with Warlord.
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It would be quite interesting if they expand the war as the period has a lot of excellent battles of different armies that would allow.
I've noted though that some folks were quite disappointed that they didn't expand the Napoleonic range to, for example, include the Austrians.
So we will have to wait and see.
These projects are huge investments and the reality is they just can’t do everything up front. I think you will see a number of starter sets that cross a range of interests to build up an Epic following. The period expansions can then fit in over the future of the company, as surely Epic will be the company’s cash cow that will help future sustainability.
Saturation and diminishing returns will also be a factor. If for example the Napoleonic French / British / Prussian starter sets were a huge success and sold 20,000 each, with that done, how many sets would an Austrian (say) sell? Unlikely to be the same or as good as the first armies.
I can see them covering new topics for a while yet.
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he waits......
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I wonder if they will have an army box for each Rome and Carthage?
For sure they will have a starter box with both.
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Hi Guys
Another new scale ..?? please ... o_o o_o o_o o_o
Wouldnt be that bad except it that doesnt fit to anything I currently have , .Ie no terrain, no existing armies to fight with.. o_o lol and no one else has this scale either mostly round here 15mm and 28mm what for ???
While I can see the value in 12mm..maybe for WW2 .. here not so much ..
Also those Romans look terrible in Tight formation like that IMHO ...they look like 1989 15mm Essex miniatures .. except not as nice ..
I love the period but that will be a pass for me.. lol
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I didn't delve the Black Powder Epic set, does it have different rules from the old BP rules? And, conversely, will we have new rules for this HC game, or will it just be new miniatures, fluff etc.?
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The rules are the same HC or BP rules - given how short the actual rules in both sets are there is no issue fitting them into a smaller book.
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I didn't delve the Black Powder Epic set, does it have different rules from the old BP rules? And, conversely, will we have new rules for this HC game, or will it just be new miniatures, fluff etc.?
The rules in the Napoleon Epic set were essentially the same rules as the ‘big’ black powder rule book. What they did, was change the material to make it Napoleonic specific, so all images and scenarios etc became Napoleonic based and there are a couple of pages in there that talk about the Epic style basing for creating units.
The text is smaller, so from a rules point of view, you are just seeing the big book compressed into a smaller format.
If the Epic Hail Caesar is to follow the same format, then it should be the same ruleset but photo’s and scenarios are given a Rome / Carthage focus.
One thing they did do for Napoleonic Epic was to release a very useful Waterloo Scenario book, which seemed very well researched and covered all of the various 1815 battles and actions from the campaign, so there would be cause to hope that something similar might be on the planning board for the Hail caesar release.
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Hi Guys
Another new scale ..?? please ... o_o o_o o_o o_o
Wouldnt be that bad except it that doesnt fit to anything I currently have , .Ie no terrain, no existing armies to fight with.. o_o lol and no one else has this scale either mostly round here 15mm and 28mm what for ???
While I can see the value in 12mm..maybe for WW2 .. here not so much ..
Also those Romans look terrible in Tight formation like that IMHO ...they look like 1989 15mm Essex miniatures .. except not as nice ..
I love the period but that will be a pass for me.. lol
I don’t think lack of compatibility of the Epic range with other 15’s is a size or scale thing, as they do seem to fit in with smaller or truer 15mm, for example, Peter Pig cavalry was used by some to work with the Pike & Shot, it is more the way the that the foot troops are arrayed in tight shoulder to shoulder lines that makes it difficult to match other manufacturers and you either like that look or you don’t.
Thinking about it, before Epic came along, I can’t really think of any systems etc that have soldiers so tightly packed on a base. I like 28’s, but many of the images that I see on the internet have (in my humble opinion) figures spread too far apart, for something to look like any of the paintings illustrations that we see of say 18th Century line, with men taking up 3 foot of space each etc … but many of us have never particularly wanted to purchase or paint 33% figures and rule sets have never demanded / suggested that we need to.
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the look is the thing...for me GOOOOOOOORGEOUS
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Hail Caesar Epic would look good when fully painted. But it's no sale to me, as I already have Punic Wars armies in abundance in other scales.
I haven't seen any of the Napoleonic or ACW Epic used at my local club, so I am somewhat mystified as to the target market.
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I don’t think lack of compatibility of the Epic range with other 15’s is a size or scale thing, as they do seem to fit in with smaller or truer 15mm, for example, Peter Pig cavalry was used by some to work with the Pike & Shot, it is more the way the that the foot troops are arrayed in tight shoulder to shoulder lines that makes it difficult to match other manufacturers and you either like that look or you don’t.
Agreed! I rather like the big groups, it’s quite a clever piece of modelling and at the scale it won’t look too incongruous either :)
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Pre-orders are up on the Warlord Games site.
They offer various combos of sets, generals, etc. Seems pretty complete.
And the armies come with shield transfers.
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Hi Norm
Some of the old DBM basing was quite similar , the Heavy Inf of the Roman Republic was very tightly based .. always looked wrong to me ...
While I agree some Some Soldiers did fight Shoulder tp shoulder like Greek Hoplites , and Phalangites , a lot did not .
I have my Romans in 15/ 18mm from Battle Honours based on 40mm x 40mm bases with 5 figures on them , in a sort of Semi open order.
In DBM they would have had 10 figures on the base :o :o.
They look so much better than 12mm ever could ... its just not a valid comparison for me .plus I cant even see them these days anyway .. lol lol
I guess the Positive is it will introduce some people into the Wonderful Period which is always good , just not me
Cheers.
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After seeing the minis at salute I was rather tempted but the price is a bit rich for my blood. Certainly good value, don't get me wrong, but still a fair chunk of cash.
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Mammouth
Funny you should say that ...
I just ordered A rather large 15mm Army from a vendor , after postage and painting cost .. it is quite the expense .. way more than I thought at first....
it was serious money ..lol
Cheers :o :o
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some of the infantry do look a little bit squished but from a distance they look ok
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I am pretty excited for these. I already have 28mm Punic wars, but I mean, who doesn't need more minis?
I will say, I like the models on Carthage's side more. I am not sure how I feel about the Roman infantry blocks.
I have not pulled the trigger on buying these yet, all my modeling stuff is put up and away, and likely will be for the next two years at this duty station, until I retire. But I am tempted!
I might order the Hannibal set before the end of the pre-order period.
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I still like the models. The Punic ones more than the Romans. Bit now that pre-order is live, the price was a real downer for me.
€ 288.00 for the set? :o I had hoped for considerably less.
https://eu.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar-epic-battles
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I don't plan to buy this myself but looking at the website you do get a lot of figures for your 288 euros. I make it more than 2000 figures which is way cheaper than similar size metals. My big problem with it all is the size of the strip of figures which is too large for my uses.
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Does any one have a measurement of say the Romans from feet to eyes? Just printed a ton of Romans for the punic wars from Cromety Forge, great figures and extensive range. It would be interesting to know how close they are to these?
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Hi Guys
I just clicked on the Warlord Epic new Release for the Punic Wars ... cause I just cant help Myself.
It is good that I did .. lol, as I now know why its called Epic ... cause its EPIC LY expensive ..
A full house set goes for Narly $1000 USD .. :o :o Oh want the rules to Champ ..?? lol lol another $37 that takes itclose to $1000USD Nearly $1600 AUD ... :o lol :o lol :o
You are kidding me right ..?.
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They’re not kidding.
On the bright side, the basic box with the book and the core Punic and Roman armies to get you started is a mere $US 384…
I appreciate it when they make it easy for me to say No to a new project.
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Wow! It‘s also something to make you think how crazy US$ and € are converted … €288,- is closer to $310.-
https://bankenverband.de/service/waehrungsrechner/?betrag=288&dezimalstellen=2&von=EUR&in=USD&mit_kurs_vom=2024-05-14&interbank=0
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There are two £95 starter sets, making them a bit cheaper than the napoleonic starter sets.
there is a ton of stuff ready to add into this game on release day. For earlier Epic, the company relied more on phase 2 and phase 3 roll outs to cater for that kind of stuff.
I have just seen a couple of sprues on the MINIATURE REALMS YouTube channel and they do look very nice, crisp models (I have added a link below). he puts the elephant together and a roman infantry base - worth a look.
The way the 3 rank romans go together is both clever and a painters delight.
The up-front cost of producing all of these different frames must be eye watering, probably on Warlord Games and one other could manage such a release.
I hope it does well, it needs to, if we are to see other EPIC ancients released.
LINK TO VIDEO
https://youtu.be/BH_duwp2dKQ?si=w5g8FbxnIxboZrK3
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I still like the models. The Punic ones more than the Romans. Bit now that pre-order is live, the price was a real downer for me.
€ 288.00 for the set? :o I had hoped for considerably less.
https://eu.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar-epic-battles
Usually big discounts on Warlord Games products once they are out in the wild. You will probably still get a good deal.
I keep going back and forth on this myself. On one hand I want a ton of these, on the other hand, maybe I should just keep doing 28mm punic wars to get bigger armies for bigger games. Hard choices.
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Usually big discounts on Warlord Games products once they are out in the wild. You will probably still get a good deal.
I keep going back and forth on this myself. On one hand I want a ton of these, on the other hand, maybe I should just keep doing 28mm punic wars to get bigger armies for bigger games. Hard choices.
Yeah, understandable. With me it’s now 15s, and for that money I could get a lot of high quality 15mm that would be more versatile.
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I have just seen a couple of sprues on the MINIATURE REALMS YouTube channel and they do look very nice, crisp models (I have added a link below). he puts the elephant together and a roman infantry base - worth a look.
The way the 3 rank romans go together is both clever and a painters delight.
Thank you for the heads up on the assembly video, it looks like the center ranks will definitely need painting before gluing.
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Usually big discounts on Warlord Games products once they are out in the wild. You will probably still get a good deal.
I found a store that is offering the core Hannibal Battle Set (288 Euros) for 259,20 Euros.
I think even in my prime painting days, I would be hard pressed to paint all those minis. I'm looking more at the Scipio and Hannibal army sets, if I pull the trigger.
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Big question I have is decals for the shields.
Both from Warlord and other manufacturers.
I usually use LBMS transfers for shields, including all my punic war minis. I think for these it might be hard since many are overlapped and such. It looks like they come with simple decals.
I still plan to get these, but I am very torn. If I am completely honest I don't really care for the way they have done the Roman infantry in blocks.
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The German site Brückenkopf-online has an excellent photo documentation of the sprues:
https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2024/unboxing-epic-hail-caesar-gussrahmen/
Now I am tempted again. That looks really nice and could be used for several DBx armies, too.
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Wargames Illustrated in the shops now (pocked mine up from Sainsbury) in the UK with an Epic Sprue on the cover.
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Wargames Illustrated in the shops now (pocked mine up from Sainsbury) in the UK with an Epic Sprue on the cover.
I often regret that even now it’s difficult to get hold of WI here in Germany. A sprue to tinker with would be very welcome!
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I often regret that even now it’s difficult to get hold of WI here in Germany. A sprue to tinker with would be very welcome!
Battlefield Berlin have it in stock. Could even choose the sprue included when I ordered a copy just the other day.
That said, it's still a great shame that WI is readily available in the US but not right across the Channel.
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Battlefield Berlin have it in stock. Could even choose the sprue included when I ordered a copy just the other day.
That said, it's still a great shame that WI is readily available in the US but not right across the Channel.
Ah, of course, the Battlefield, I have fond memories of that place when I was still living in Berlin. I’ll see if they still have it and will make an order!
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Waffles
I agree the Romans dont look right at all ... but then again they are really only Speed Bumps for my Mighty Carthaginians any way .. lol lol
On a more Positive note the Rulebook looks Awesome and is a must have .. :-* :-*:o :o :o, and Hopefully this will reignite the Period for Veteran players and kick start a whole lot of new players into the Punic Wars .. which is always a good thing .
Cheers
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which reminds me to go and hunt out a copy of this months WI
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Picked up my July copy of Wargames Illustrated yesterday from Sainsbury’s (UK store) which had a Roman sprue on the front. It has nice crisp miniatures with good detail. The system for ranking 3 strips per base while minimising painting is very well thought out and a nice touch.
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Battlefield Berlin have it in stock. Could even choose the sprue included when I ordered a copy just the other day.
That said, it's still a great shame that WI is readily available in the US but not right across the Channel.
Ultracomixx in Nürnberg also stocks WI.
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I think I missed the boat on the WI mag availability
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If I am completely honest I don't really care foe the way they have done the Roman infantry in blocks.
I agree - they are packed closer than a Macedonian phalanx! Not the way I envisage Republican Romans (or most of their foes) at all.
That said though the whole lot will look pretty cool on the table.