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Title: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: General Castries on June 24, 2024, 11:58:12 AM
French commandos for Indochina.  I'm sure that, during operations, they probably wore standard khaki fatigues, but they just look better in the black PJs.  These are 3D printed figures, painted by the terrific ArtMaster Studios.

Tim   
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: Tom Dulski on June 24, 2024, 12:14:13 PM

 Pretty cool, is that U.S. webbing equipment?
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: General Castries on June 24, 2024, 12:43:25 PM
Tom,
I'm not sure about the webbing.  The French in Indochina used strange combinations of old pre-war French webbing, French-produced webbing, and US/UK webbing supplied during the war.  The colorful nature of the equipment (you'll see some commandos carrying Sten guns in the last photo) is one of the factors that increases its appeal.

Tim   
     
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: Ash on June 25, 2024, 06:34:59 AM
Very nicely done.
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: mikedemana on June 25, 2024, 05:14:43 PM
Those look great! One of these days, I am going to do a Vietnam....  ;)

Mike Demana
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: traveller on June 25, 2024, 05:47:32 PM
Great stuff!  :-* :-* :-* Where are the minis from?
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: CapnJim on June 25, 2024, 09:14:35 PM
Those guys look good.  What scale are they?
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: General Castries on June 26, 2024, 02:36:31 AM
Folks,
Glad you like. The figures are 28mm, from a French 3D printing company called JJG. They are well worth a look if you’re thinking about this period, and they work well with the Excellent Empress range.


Tim
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: traveller on June 26, 2024, 05:50:15 AM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: bluewillow on July 18, 2024, 07:18:08 AM
Nicely done
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: tomrommel1 on July 18, 2024, 08:45:48 AM
very nice painting style :-*
Title: French Commandos for Indochina (Viet-Minh Porters)
Post by: General Castries on September 08, 2024, 01:26:03 PM
28mm Viet-Minh bicycle porters, from JJG, painted by Artmaster Studios.  The Viet-Minh used bicycle porters extensively, particularly in the Dien Bien Phu campaign.  I intend to use these figures as objectives for my Commandos.

Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: dickiegranthum on September 08, 2024, 02:46:06 PM
Super cool bikers!
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: HESH on September 09, 2024, 08:51:42 AM
Terrific work all over this ! 👍
Title: French Commandos for Indochina (River Transport)
Post by: General Castries on September 15, 2024, 05:08:11 AM
This is a 1/56 scale 3D print (before and after) of a French Vedette FOM.  These were river patrol boats (precursors to the PBRs), operated by the French Army from 1950-54.  They carried out monitoring and reconnaissance missions, and occasionally landed commandos / landing parties (which is what I'll use mine for).  The vedettes had 2 x 50-cal HMGs (forward and aft), and 2 LMGs / grenade launchers.  Because they operated in fresh (rather than salt) water, they weren't too rusty, but they did look well-used.   
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on September 15, 2024, 08:44:18 AM
Cool.

Is the forward turret fully enclosed?
If so, it must have been rather warm, if not, it left the operator extremely vulnerable if they were engaged from both sides of the riverl
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: Freddy on September 15, 2024, 11:29:24 AM
Nice looking boat!
Yeah, being a gunner in that thing must've sucked.
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: robh on September 15, 2024, 12:16:49 PM
Nice looking Vedette, different design than the JJG version, who makes that one?
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: Tom Dulski on September 15, 2024, 12:19:40 PM

 Very cool 8)
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: General Castries on September 15, 2024, 01:26:51 PM
Folks,
Thanks for your comments.  As background:

- the vedettes had a thin belt of armour just above the waterline, and some had armour around the coxswain's position.  Other than that, the only other armour was the gun-shields.  And the forward 50-cal turret was open at the rear, which would have created issues.  The standard practice was for boat commanders to stand on the rear decks, to coordinate the gunners and the coxswain, and so the boats had to rely on surprise, audacity, and firepower from the 50s.

- the French used two types of vedette, the 8-metre vedette and the 11-metre vedette.  This is the 11-metre vedette, sold by shapeways.  JJG produces a model for the 8-metre vedette (https://www.jjgprint3d.com/page-d-articles/vedette-fran%C3%A7aise-sans-%C3%A9quipage).

- The French Navy was part of the original procurement process for the vedettes, but dropped out of the programme due to funding shortages.  So the French Army continued with the programme, and the boats were issued to Moroccan, Legion, and Armoured units (who used the vedettes like armoured cars).  After the French pulled out of Vietnam in '55, the vedettes were handed over to the Vietnamese Navy, which continue to use them into the 1960s.

Tim       
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: warburton on September 27, 2024, 12:19:20 AM
Very cool project. Well done.
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: General Castries on January 20, 2025, 01:23:00 PM
Set out below are a couple of photos of my latest figures for my Indochina campaign.

The figures in the first photo are Legioinnaires from the JJG Indochine range.  I don't think for a second that the French Foreign Legion actually wore kepis in action.  But they look good, and its a way to distinguish my infantry.

The figures in the second photo are (left to right), a Vietminh bugler with a PPS-43, a Vietnamese officer in French para cammies, a French commando in black PJs (Gringos40), and a couple of Vietnamese civillians.  All these figures are Gingos40.  They are a little taller than Empress or JJG, but not too much.

Tim


Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: robh on January 21, 2025, 07:39:20 PM
.......  I don't think for a second that the French Foreign Legion actually wore kepis in action.  But they look good......

They do indeed, it should be considered compulsory in all wargaming to field the Legion in white kepi.  ;)
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: CapnJim on January 23, 2025, 03:27:06 PM
...I don't think for a second that the French Foreign Legion actually wore kepis in action.  But they look good, and its a way to distinguish my infantry...

They wore them in the opening scene in We Were Soldiers.  Are you trying to tell us that Hollywood got something wrong?   :o

Seriously, folks, lovely work on those figures.  Well done!   
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: Lord Raglan on January 23, 2025, 04:30:22 PM
They wore them in the opening scene in We Were Soldiers.  Are you trying to tell us that Hollywood gto something wrong?   :o

Being a dedicated Hollywood style wargamer, I can vouch for it's 100% accuracy at all times.
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: bluewillow on January 30, 2025, 06:22:37 AM
They look great, our city has a number of photos from the conflict in the gendarmerie museum, I will take some pics of the vedettes for you.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: tomrommel1 on January 30, 2025, 07:53:53 AM
Very nice !!
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina
Post by: Poiter50 on January 31, 2025, 03:14:28 AM
I found the JJG one but I can't find the Shapeways version (only just returned to their site now they are back in the Netherlands). Any links? JJG are physical models not STLs, correct?

Folks,
Thanks for your comments.  As background:

- the French used two types of vedette, the 8-metre vedette and the 11-metre vedette.  This is the 11-metre vedette, sold by shapeways.  JJG produces a model for the 8-metre vedette (https://www.jjgprint3d.com/page-d-articles/vedette-fran%C3%A7aise-sans-%C3%A9quipage).

Tim       
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: General Castries on January 31, 2025, 02:11:07 PM
Poiter50,
JJG are physical models not STLs, correct?
Correct

I can't find the Shapeways version
I've looked over the Shapeways site, and it sadly seems that the vedettes haven't been relisted since the Shapeways bankrupcy.

Tim
Title: Re: French Commandos for Indochina (Now with French Foreign Legion!)
Post by: Poiter50 on January 31, 2025, 02:12:31 PM
Thank you.

Poiter50,
JJG are physical models not STLs, correct?
Correct

I can't find the Shapeways version
I've looked over the Shapeways site, and it sadly seems that the vedettes haven't been relisted since the Shapeways bankrupcy.

Tim