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Title: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on December 09, 2024, 06:57:58 PM
I'm edging towards a ship project; after all, Ascension is on an island, so ships are going to be an important part of the story.

The classic seems to be the tramp steamer, and I've been collecting pictures of these, but I notice that bootleggers in the 1920's also used schooners with auxiliary motors, presumably because they had high value cargoes so didn't need as much space, and could travel a long way without needing fuel.

Any thoughts? How feasible is a schooner beyond rum running?
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on December 09, 2024, 07:04:54 PM
Ya can always fish from it.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on December 09, 2024, 07:11:11 PM
True, but can they cross large bodies of water like the Atlantic?

(Schooners, not fish).
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on December 09, 2024, 07:31:35 PM
They went from Portugal to the cod fisheries off Newfoundland, alt they way up to the mid 20th century.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on December 09, 2024, 07:32:11 PM
I think they were more up and down the coast affairs. Africa to Britain would be easy enough, but you'd want something bigger for South America to Britain...
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on December 09, 2024, 07:33:12 PM
They went from Portugal to the cod fisheries off Newfoundland, alt they way up to the mid 20th century.

following coasts or straight across?
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on December 09, 2024, 07:44:21 PM
I've found references to Schooners travelling from the Azores to the UK carrying perishables, and larger schooners called "Baltimore" which were slave ships, so they crossed from Africa to the US, but of course that was a century and more before our era.

From this, it seems a schooner could reach Ascension, and would possibly be a good vessel to transport perishables to and from the island, in fact theoretically, as all European and S. American cargoes have to be transferred, I could imagine a schooner travelling to the island with supplies for the hotels, then re-loading with fruit from S. America to carry to Europe. Maybe.

The question is, how realistic is this in practice? And would they be common enough not to raise comment if a smuggler decided to use them?

Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on December 09, 2024, 07:45:13 PM
I think they were more up and down the coast affairs. Africa to Britain would be easy enough, but you'd want something bigger for South America to Britain...

Apparently six and more masted schooners were not unknown, not that I'd be able to build one...
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on December 09, 2024, 07:51:03 PM
Apparently six and more masted schooners were not unknown, not that I'd be able to build one...

quitter... Akkie might still have his 28mm WW1 aircraft carrier if you want tips...  lol
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: fastolfrus on December 09, 2024, 08:46:23 PM
quitter... Akkie might still have his 28mm WW1 aircraft carrier if you want tips...  lol

you can't put masts on the carrier - how will the planes land?
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: voltan on December 09, 2024, 09:00:25 PM
You could go for a local tugboat, or two, that have been commandeered by this faction or that. Could easily be made pulpy without being as big a project.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on December 09, 2024, 09:16:52 PM
following coasts or straight across?

See any coasts to follow on the map from Lisbon to Newfoundland?  The best you can hope for is a stop over in Iceland.

IIrc, these were usually two masted schooners, quite oceangoing and they stayed at sea to fish for long periods.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 09, 2024, 09:25:12 PM
https://www.diffordsguide.com/encyclopedia/417/people/rum-runners


Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: tin shed gamer on December 09, 2024, 09:27:31 PM
A proper Pulpy character and sails to boot.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: carlos marighela on December 09, 2024, 09:47:13 PM
My forebears carried Welsh slate and other trade goods as far away as Valparaiso in Chile on small to medium sized barques and brigs. One of them never made it back and ended up in the old British cemetary in Santos (Brazil).

The word 'schooner' merely describes the rigging pattern of a vessel. They could be small or quite large. As they were a feature of fishing fleets of various nations on the Grand Banks and some of the most storm laden parts of the North Atlantic, there's no reason why a vessel of that type shouldn't pop up in the South Atlantic.

Sailing vessels remained a staple of maritime trade well into the first half of the 20thC although in ever decreasing numbers and usually filling the less profitable routes.

I suppose the question for me would be what seems most 'pulpy'. I think most of us would associate the interwar period with  tramp steamers, typically older coal fired boiler types on the lesser routes.
These were the predominant type for the era and whilst a 'schooner' is in no way an anachronism, most people will think steam powered.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Will Bailie on December 09, 2024, 10:45:42 PM
The recent Guy Richie/Henry Cavill movie 'Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare' is great pulpy fun, and features this trawler used to insert the raiders into the West African port of Fernando Po.  Movie ship on top, real historical inspiration below.  If that's not inspiration for pulp adventure, I don't know what is!

(https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/images/2024/02/ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare/maid-of-honour-ship-operation-postmaster.jpg)

https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare/ (https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare/)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on December 09, 2024, 11:15:38 PM
The great thing about a schooner over a tramp steamer, is that you can set it in games from the 1860s-1960s and no one bats an eye. I’ll bet more gunrunning and smuggling was done from these than tramps due to the shallow drafts.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Moriarty on December 10, 2024, 06:11:32 AM
As you obviously have too much free time, why not both a schooner -and- a steamer?
I’d warrant tug boats would not be a thing (unless one got lost going up and down the Clyde) unless large ships were calling at Ascension.
Is now a good time to mention the distance from Africa (nearest land mass) to Ascension, and the insufficient range of smaller aircraft?
;-p
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on December 10, 2024, 12:48:01 PM
See any coasts to follow on the map from Lisbon to Newfoundland?  The best you can hope for is a stop over in Iceland.

that's what I meant, rather than going straight across the Atlantic. I thought they were more following coastline vessels, like viking longboats, sure they could do open sea, but were primarily coastal.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 11, 2024, 04:22:31 PM
Schooner, sir.  The tramp steamer would have to be so much BIGGER.  Ascension doesn't seem big enough to warrant a tramp steamer.  Of, course, I have in the wings a few tramp steamers abuilding for a pulp game of my own set in the Banana Wars - though, mostly, as 'scenery'.  Easier for me being in 15 mm.

Whatever you decide, I expect we'll all be agog at what you do with card and whatever riff-raff you have lying about.  ;)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on December 13, 2024, 05:05:37 PM
Wow, thanks for all the thoughts and ideas...

https://www.diffordsguide.com/encyclopedia/417/people/rum-runners

It was this story that got me thinking about Schooners...

The word 'schooner' merely describes the rigging pattern of a vessel. They could be small or quite large. As they were a feature of fishing fleets of various nations on the Grand Banks and some of the most storm laden parts of the North Atlantic, there's no reason why a vessel of that type shouldn't pop up in the South Atlantic.


Schooner, sir.  The tramp steamer would have to be so much BIGGER.  Ascension doesn't seem big enough to warrant a tramp steamer.  Of, course, I have in the wings a few tramp steamers abuilding for a pulp game of my own set in the Banana Wars - though, mostly, as 'scenery'.  Easier for me being in 15 mm.

Whatever you decide, I expect we'll all be agog at what you do with card and whatever riff-raff you have lying about.  ;)


As you obviously have too much free time, why not both a schooner -and- a steamer?

Interestingly, when I asked this question on a railway based forum, someone suggested The SS Robin, link here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Robin. This is a Schooner rigged tramp steamer, and would be 800mm long in 28mm scale.

Also, 'my' version of Ascension is a major transport hub; Europe and South America are in a trade war, but they still want trade without losing face. Ascension is one of several islands declared 'free Ports' where cargoes are transshipped from a ship permitted to go into the port of the originating country and reloaded on a ship to take them on to their destination, so there would be a stack of tramp steamers coming into the port. Ascension isn't alone in this; there's some competition from places like Barbados and Martinique, and like those islands, it's a boom town.

Is now a good time to mention the distance from Africa (nearest land mass) to Ascension, and the insufficient range of smaller aircraft?
;-p

Sshh... I'm hoping no-one will notice, least of all the Ambassador...
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Cat on December 13, 2024, 06:09:29 PM
Go upscale with a steam yacht, they have masts for auxilliary use but mostly for show.  Owners tend to use them for local coastline cruising, but they are built to handle long sea voyages.  Some were used for deep-sea fishing.
 
Take USS Sylph for example.  During the war, this was converted to an anti-submarine patrol yacht.  Ernest Borgnine served on this ship and had the duty of smuggling alcohol on board for the rest of the crew.
: 3
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Sylph_(PY-12)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Moriarty on December 13, 2024, 07:26:39 PM
Just had a look at the Sylph - looks a sweetie!
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: FifteensAway on December 13, 2024, 08:10:00 PM
Had a look at the Robin and the Sylph - definitely the Robin since it is a good deal shorter, though a hybrid might be fun.  And glad to find the Robin since it fits well with my plans and comes in for 15 mm at about 16-17" length versus the 31 1/2" for 28 mm.  That 16-17" is perfect for me.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Cat on December 13, 2024, 10:59:57 PM
Steam Yachts come in quite a variety of sizes.  SY Intrepid/Sylph always pops to mind first for the real life McHale's Navy angle.
 
SY Quest lived up to her name and comes in under 111' with nice low-slung pulpy lines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_(ship)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: frd on December 16, 2024, 02:06:46 AM
You all make me want to work on making a schooner now... and I still haven't finished my previous two ships (a tramp steamer and a Eastern-Rig fishing boat - some pics below).

As for pulpy boats - I'm also thinking of making a paddle steamer to use in African and South American adventures, as those would still be used in 1920s/30s.

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Post by: carlos marighela on December 16, 2024, 06:18:26 AM
Those are fabulous looking craft! :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on December 16, 2024, 07:19:19 AM
You could have a scenario about pushing the paddle steamer over a mountain to bring opera to the jungle beyond.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: shadowbeast on December 16, 2024, 07:43:46 AM
The recent Guy Richie/Henry Cavill movie 'Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare' is great pulpy fun, and features this trawler used to insert the raiders into the West African port of Fernando Po.  Movie ship on top, real historical inspiration below.  If that's not inspiration for pulp adventure, I don't know what is!

(https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/images/2024/02/ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare/maid-of-honour-ship-operation-postmaster.jpg)

https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare/ (https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare/)


(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/dd5qf2l-1eb6f1f0-8d92-4a62-b743-0aeda1b600e5.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_768,q_75,strp/krait_by_thoughtengine_dd5qf2l-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzY4IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZjFkYzEyM2ItZDJlNS00NWJmLTg2ZjgtMTdlNDU3ZjNjMjY0XC9kZDVxZjJsLTFlYjZmMWYwLThkOTItNGE2Mi1iNzQzLTBhZWRhMWI2MDBlNS5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.9rJz1Fo_mU8l4kst5xX8_uoo3VAZcHMeM5ZUBB43xN8)

?

The great thing about a schooner over a tramp steamer, is that you can set it in games from the 1860s-1960s and no one bats an eye. I’ll bet more gunrunning and smuggling was done from these than tramps due to the shallow drafts.

Not to mention secret missions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wackiest_Ship_in_the_Army_%28TV_series%29)..
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on December 16, 2024, 07:50:31 AM
did you make that steamer from scratch?  :o
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Post by: frd on December 17, 2024, 03:33:06 AM
did you make that steamer from scratch?  :o

-ish?, but not really. I used some 3d printed parts, designed some more parts to 3d print and used some scratch building techniques to add to it. I don't want to derail this thread, so I started a topic for the tramp steamer (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=147600.0) where I'll be happy to answer any follow up questions.

You could have a scenario about pushing the paddle steamer over a mountain to bring opera to the jungle beyond.

How I have not thought of using Fitzcarraldo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzcarraldo) as a basis of a pulp scenario - that's such an awesome idea :o

I might have to rewatch (and pause repeatedly) the Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare to grab references for the schooner, as I really like the REEL version.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Moriarty on December 17, 2024, 06:32:23 AM
Ye gods . . .
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Post by: FramFramson on December 21, 2024, 09:50:29 PM
Bloody hell; that steamer is FAB.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on March 03, 2025, 01:51:51 PM
@frd: For some reason I forgot to reply to this, I can however echo what others have said: that's a beautiful model, and it's given me some ideas for making my own, many thanks.
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Post by: YPU on March 03, 2025, 03:56:10 PM
I think Frd's lovely looking ships demonstrate another point. Ships in 28mm look big even if they, realistically calculating their size, arrant all that large for their type. Assuming that cutting mat is in inches the trap steamer is what, 16 inches/40cm long? Now I'm not planning to start a debate on the correct scale o 28mm, but do your personal calculations and you might find its pretty short for what it represents. But it looks more than big enough, so don't sweat fully accurate size for the type of vehicle its supposed to be, I'd say.
If anything, I could see an overly big ships becoming a bit of a hindrance, too cumbersome to properly fit into a gaming table and scenario without it basically being a game board all to itself.
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Post by: Moriarty on March 03, 2025, 04:42:28 PM
you can't put masts on the carrier - how will the planes land?
Only the once, I’d imagine.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Moriarty on March 03, 2025, 04:52:20 PM
I think Frd's lovely looking ships demonstrate another point. Ships in 28mm look big even if they, realistically calculating their size, arrant all that large for their type. Assuming that cutting mat is in inches the trap steamer is what, 16 inches/40cm long? Now I'm not planning to start a debate on the correct scale o 28mm, but do your personal calculations and you might find its pretty short for what it represents. But it looks more than big enough, so don't sweat fully accurate size for the type of vehicle its supposed to be, I'd say.
If anything, I could see an overly big ships becoming a bit of a hindrance, too cumbersome to properly fit into a gaming table and scenario without it basically being a game board all to itself.
I’m looking at naval actions for the VBCW, and considering vessels at the ground scale for the skirmish rules, giving a 300’ tramp steamer of 10” length. Obviously the beam and height would be exaggerated. Although your idea of a ship as the game board has a certain appeal . . .
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on March 03, 2025, 05:48:07 PM
I think Frd's lovely looking ships demonstrate another point. Ships in 28mm look big even if they, realistically calculating their size, arrant all that large for their type. Assuming that cutting mat is in inches the trap steamer is what, 16 inches/40cm long? Now I'm not planning to start a debate on the correct scale o 28mm, but do your personal calculations and you might find its pretty short for what it represents. But it looks more than big enough, so don't sweat fully accurate size for the type of vehicle its supposed to be, I'd say.

I think you are right: I've been doodling on a sheet of card and worked out that the SS Robin is about 800mm 28mm scale, give or take. I've sketched a rough deck reduced to about 600mm by 120mm on a piece of card. It looks acceptably "large", even though, as you say, such a ship would barely be a yacht in reality.
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Post by: YPU on March 03, 2025, 06:15:19 PM
Physical sketches in cardboard like that are a great way to see how you'd feel about any given size, yes! It's something I forget to do way to often.
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Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on March 11, 2025, 02:00:25 AM
That tramp steamer is beautiful and I want one in 28mm!

A way to sidestep the need for a full-sized steamer on table is to use it's motor launch. If a ship's draft is too deep for a port or for various reasons the captain doesn't want it pierside, smaller launches are sent to bring or receive men and supplies from shore. This is the Brigade Games' steam launch inspired by the African Queen, which was a real British steam launch built in 1912 for service on African waterways.  You can get it here: https://www.brigadegames.com/Steam-Launch-waterline-model_p_1690.html (https://www.brigadegames.com/Steam-Launch-waterline-model_p_1690.html). I've also seen a more movie accurate 3D print version floating around on Etsy.

(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/250310-7-Plot-Point.jpg)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Khusru2 on March 12, 2025, 07:23:17 PM
A Clipper would be suitable. The Baltimore was a fore-runner
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Post by: Andy in Germany on March 16, 2025, 06:06:47 PM
That tramp steamer is beautiful and I want one in 28mm!

Agreed @Frd really set the standard there.

A way to sidestep the need for a full-sized steamer on table is to use it's motor launch. If a ship's draft is too deep for a port or for various reasons the captain doesn't want it pierside, smaller launches are sent to bring or receive men and supplies from shore.

I hadn't thought of that, but there is now a harbour on Ascension because it has become a trade connection between South America and Europe due to a very convolutes rewriting of early 20th century history. Besides, I like having a model that can be part of the game so characters can run on board and perform swashbuckling acts of derring-do.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on March 16, 2025, 06:08:21 PM
A Clipper would be suitable. The Baltimore was a fore-runner

I think they were a bit earlier than the 1920's. Having looked at them, I'm relieved not to have to build one: they're absolutely beautiful, but the shapes of those hulls would be complex in card, and as for the rigging...
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Moriarty on March 20, 2025, 06:45:05 AM
Shrouds from the nets supermarkets sell oranges in? They only have to be ?representative?, after all - otherwise there would be no space to place the figures :-)
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Post by: carlos marighela on March 20, 2025, 10:08:59 AM
If you are ever in search of another mid-Atlantic island or archipeligo, I'd suggest taking a look at Fernando de Noronha. There was a political prison there in the 1930s and '40s. My namesake/alter ego was imprisoned there for a period in the '30s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_de_Noronha#
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on March 23, 2025, 01:36:48 PM
Finally got myself into gear and started building a tramp steamer:

(https://korschtal.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/2025_03_03_emden_01.jpg)

To avoid clogging up this thread, I'll put details on my Workbench thread:

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=145486.msg1906999#msg1906999





Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on March 23, 2025, 02:48:48 PM
Good frame, how big is it?
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on March 29, 2025, 09:35:57 AM
Good frame, how big is it?

Thank you. It's about 60cm long by 12 wide.
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Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on March 29, 2025, 12:08:25 PM
Thank you. It's about 60cm long by 12 wide.

That is a good sized bit of work!
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on March 29, 2025, 12:27:58 PM
It is no longer really a model on the playing surface, it is the playing surface!
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 27, 2025, 02:44:50 AM
This is Actual Size Miniatures’ World War I-era gunboat SMS Kingami/HMS Fifi, which disarmed makes for a nice fast-looking smuggling vessel. The real life screw steamer was built by Meyer-Werft at its Papenburg, Germany shipyard in 1894 for Imperial German service in Africa. It served on Lake Tanganyika during the Great War and was captured by the British in 1915. Renamed HMS Fifi, it served until being scuttled in 1924. The miniature can be purchased here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265232644669 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265232644669).

I look forward to using it in games. Its first role will be as SS Grace’s Secret II registered to Shelby Co. Ltd. of Birmingham and operating out of Shanghai. It was procured by the owner via an associate with friends in Berlin.

(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250727-1_1.jpg)
(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250727-2_1.jpg)
(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250727-3_1.jpg)
(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250727-4_1.jpg)
(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250727-5_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: marianas_gamer on July 27, 2025, 03:09:38 AM
Nice!
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Post by: YPU on July 27, 2025, 11:53:57 AM
Ah love that! The chaotic arrangement of portholes on the front is something common on the real things but we tend to make our gaming miniatures more on the organized and squared side of things most of the time. This has character to it!
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Post by: anevilgiraffe on July 27, 2025, 01:20:35 PM
What is that curious portholed structure on the front?
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Post by: Sunjester on July 27, 2025, 02:14:20 PM
Very nice! I have the same model in my VSF RN Navy.
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Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 27, 2025, 03:08:51 PM
What is that curious portholed structure on the front?

I'm not sure what's in the interior. The top one I think is actually a cap for where the HMS Fifi gun would have been placed but I painted it like a porthole for extra sunlight below decks. I assume it's a cabin though, as post war this vessel was used to ferry passengers across the lake.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 27, 2025, 03:09:36 PM
Very nice! I have the same model in my VSF RN Navy.

Did you change anything to make it more sci-fi?
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 28, 2025, 01:56:42 PM
I finished Actual Size Miniatures’ Great War ELCO Royal Navy motor launch/subchaser/harbor patrol boat for my Japanese naval forces in Sasebo Naval Arsenal grey. I wrote “SASEBO” on the fantail, right to left, in hiragana to denote it belongs to the Sasebo Naval District. (I just wanted to put something back there so it’s not so plain.) I mounted HMS Fifi’s quick-firing 12-pounder naval gun for a little extra presence.

(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250728-6_1.jpg)

(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250728-9_1.jpg)

(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250728-8_1.jpg)

(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250728-7_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on July 28, 2025, 02:05:41 PM
oh man, I'd take some liberties with the colour scheme there... I thought that was just the primer. It may be accurate, but man that needs something....
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 28, 2025, 02:13:10 PM
oh man, I'd take some liberties with the colour scheme there... I thought that was just the primer. It may be accurate, but man that needs something....

The navy excels at sucking the fun out of everything.

Did you know shooting a machine gun on full auto, which should rank among the greatest joys in life a man can experience, can be turned into a joyless, mind-numbing endeavor you just want to get over so you can go home? Yeah, my ship made that happen. 

Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on July 28, 2025, 02:29:24 PM
would wooden decking be pushing it? a bit (a lot) of rust?
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 28, 2025, 02:52:35 PM
I wasn't sure if the deck was wood or not, and I've seen Japanese naval vessels in peacetime. They don't let rust happen. It's just so clean. You can eat off the decks. Usually rust is my go-to for wear.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on July 28, 2025, 03:06:15 PM
I'd definitely go wood then, just for your sanity.  lol
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 28, 2025, 03:14:16 PM
Since you brought up deck material I looked into it, since it’s been awhile, I also have the red linoleum decking option. That was a thing Japan did on its surface ships except for carriers and battleships with teak wood. Thanks for pushing me to do more with this. I may have to order the paint but it’ll be standout.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on July 28, 2025, 03:26:17 PM
how were they with brass?

(I suddenly feel like the beggar making stone soup... just a bit more flavour)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 29, 2025, 11:52:37 AM
Look what you made me do! I had to make my work better and more presentable!

Thanks!

(https://www.wayfarerdaves.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/250729.jpg)
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: fred on July 29, 2025, 12:28:47 PM
That is a big improvement!

Perhaps have a look at the portholes - at least colour the glass part, brass frames would look good, but may be against the navy's wholesale use of grey paint!
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 29, 2025, 12:40:17 PM
The glass part is colored, it’s just not very visible against grey.

Yeah, they wouldn’t do brass.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: anevilgiraffe on July 29, 2025, 01:24:50 PM
oh that helps a lot...

would the life boat be all grey as well? the strapping?

EDIT: as an aside, sometimes it's worth doing something just because it looks better - I know that the beams and plaster of timber framed buildings were flush, but it just looks better to me with the beams standing proud. Obviously do what makes you happy with the finished product.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 29, 2025, 03:28:25 PM
oh that helps a lot...

would the life boat be all grey as well? the strapping?

EDIT: as an aside, sometimes it's worth doing something just because it looks better - I know that the beams and plaster of timber framed buildings were flush, but it just looks better to me with the beams standing proud. Obviously do what makes you happy with the finished product.

Navy sucks the life out of everything and makes it grey! I feel adding any more color and it wouldn't look right as a naval vessel. Back then, the most variety they had was the inability of the three naval districts to agree on what a 40/60 white/black grey paint mix was supposed to look like. Sasebo has the dark grey that I used for my boat, Maizuru made theirs extra pale, and Kure was probably doing it right as theirs was the best balanced. I did add the "SASEBO" hand-written text on the fantail for some more color and detail though; white shadowed over black and written backwards was annoying to get right.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: carlos marighela on July 29, 2025, 07:59:41 PM
Actually, corticine, the roughened linoleum material was applied directly to steel decks. Glued down, like the lino you would use in a kitchen, calked between panels, to prevent water seeping underneath and further secured with brass strips. It was generally used in high traffic areas, including internal passageways.

When it was used, it was used in place of wooden planking, rather than atop it. The Japanese, being avid followers of British naval fashion used it on most of their larger warships. British corticene was brown, later it woud be replaced with a paste like surface called semtex (not the explosive) that would come in greys and greens. The Japanese used a reddish brown corticine, rather like the colour you have chosen.

For accuracy's sake rather than the aesthetics, I'd suggest your decking is clearly laid out as planking rather than the lino covering, so you would be better off painting it in suitably wood coloured tones. Wooden decking could, at least in RN service, be holystoned to a very light buff colour, or in wartime circumstances, be darkened or stained. I believe fuel oil was used in WW1.

Your boat looks good as it is, so it's an aesthetic choice. Just saying in case you come up against hardcore naval modellers.

If you want a good colour reference for the lino and, albeit somewhat overscale,  brass strips on a Japanese vessel take a look at this chap's 1/200 scale model of WW2 destroyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bknl9bC7xlg
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on July 29, 2025, 11:41:21 PM
Actually, corticine, the roughened linoleum material was applied directly to steel decks. Glued down, like the lino you would use in a kitchen, calked between panels, to prevent water seeping underneath and further secured with brass strips. It was generally used in high traffic areas, including internal passageways.

When it was used, it was used in place of wooden planking, rather than atop it. The Japanese, being avid followers of British naval fashion used it on most of their larger warships. British corticene was brown, later it woud be replaced with a paste like surface called semtex (not the explosive) that would come in greys and greens. The Japanese used a reddish brown corticine, rather like the colour you have chosen.

For accuracy's sake rather than the aesthetics, I'd suggest your decking is clearly laid out as planking rather than the lino covering, so you would be better off painting it in suitably wood coloured tones. Wooden decking could, at least in RN service, be holystoned to a very light buff colour, or in wartime circumstances, be darkened or stained. I believe fuel oil was used in WW1.

Your boat looks good as it is, so it's an aesthetic choice. Just saying in case you come up against hardcore naval modellers.

If you want a good colour reference for the lino and, albeit somewhat overscale,  brass strips on a Japanese vessel take a look at this chap's 1/200 scale model of WW2 destroyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bknl9bC7xlg

Thanks, I was trying to replicate the linoleum. Burnt Red is Vallejo's closest color to it.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Cat on July 30, 2025, 12:21:13 AM
Look what you made me do! I had to make my work better and more presentable!

That looks great!
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Kuropatkin on August 16, 2025, 03:12:21 PM
I am not a modeler nor have I participated in a Pulp game. However, I am a lover of old ships and have enjoyed seeing the creative work in this thread. I would like to offer the following as a possible inspiration for a game model.

While visiting Trondheim last year, this vessel immediately caught my eye. After visiting some other locations with my Lady, I insisted that I at least walk by the ship.

It is the SDS Hansteen and she was built in 1866 as a research vessel. You can read more about her here: https://trondheimsjofart.no/en/sds-hansteen .
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Sakuragi Miniatures on August 17, 2025, 01:46:05 PM
That is a beautiful ship, thanks for sharing it! I wouldn't mind putting that down on the table.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on August 17, 2025, 02:47:19 PM
the key word: “research” vessel!  Ya know this one is just going to stumble onto a island populated by giant mutant crabs and terror birds, created by a mad scientist and a demon worshipping cult.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: CertainlySoon on August 19, 2025, 04:19:07 PM
This reminds me of Gunther Plüschow's expedition ship "Feuerland" (1927), which I saw a few years ago in the Flensburg historic shipyard (Museumswerft). A dedicated amateur has self-published a biography of Plüschow (in German only). I ordered the book via a private homepage. There's not much else to find... A fascinating story!

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Feuerland_S_Flensburg_26-03-2022.jpg/960px-Feuerland_S_Flensburg_26-03-2022.jpg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Pl%C3%BCschow-Ship_%281%29.jpg/960px-Pl%C3%BCschow-Ship_%281%29.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunther_Pl%C3%BCschow?wprov=sfla1
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feuerland_%28Schiff%29
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Andy in Germany on August 19, 2025, 07:10:25 PM
A lovely ship and a great story, A sad ending though: It was finally scrapped a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Suitably pulpy ships.
Post by: Aethelflaeda was framed on August 19, 2025, 08:02:04 PM
Scrapping it might not have removed the contaminating spores it picked up in its travels!  Watch out for strange night movements and behavior in the staff in the yard…they may well have started taking on fishlike features.