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Title: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century (comparison photos added)
Post by: FifteensAway on 16 December 2024, 01:03:08 AM
Or 18 mm.  I know of the Blue Moon pack from Old Glory in the Boxer rebellion, have those, but what else is out there?  There are a few figures in their Old West civilians pack but I already have those?

Actually looking to add to my Old West but I figure more folk here on the Colonial page will be familiar with Chinese figures for the 19th century; thus, asking here.  Too outlandish won't work given the setting.

Prefer in metal but if a 3D print from someone who prints them (no printer for my own use) then I can go that route.

Ideally figures for a Chinatown but not big city and also workers, especially railroad workers.

Thanks!

Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: Kikuchiyo on 16 December 2024, 07:14:01 AM
Lancashire games have civilians in their 18mm boxer rebellion range
Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: Smokeyrone on 17 December 2024, 04:10:14 PM
Lancashire games have civilians in their 18mm boxer rebellion range

And I believe their Boxer range are actually 18mm, not like their 28mm fifteen millimeter Ashantis. :)
Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: FifteensAway on 17 December 2024, 05:02:24 PM
I went ahead and ordered those Lancashire Chinese civilians - hope they'll work out okay.  So, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: FifteensAway on 29 December 2024, 01:01:18 AM
Received my Lancashire Chinese today and the are Very Large for 15 mm - even sanding down their bases to paper thin they will be tall.  But I think I will still use them - mostly because there really aren't many other options. 
Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: Kikuchiyo on 29 December 2024, 11:58:19 AM
I did mention they were in the 18mm range  :)
Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: FifteensAway on 31 December 2024, 12:54:44 AM
Indeed you did but even for 18 mm figures they are on the larger size.  Hopefully in a day or two I will be able to compare the Lancashire side by side with some Blue Moon and see how they, literally, measure up. 
Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: FifteensAway on 01 January 2025, 04:38:49 PM
So, here are the comparison photos and let's start with the 'ugly':

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9zyvA6JlW9z0rqhFInRhZDTkYHHGLUj3tsPUYgdvGQwDFcFV5ah8IGnavTZfzmEDJroqMdw1AEqklxOULTzqNE3kBcbpkxUhsCxNMOd96EYPy0puwL4JV6aheBdNvITRsatGcBv54zDlideYAm_kA7TsS6HNONuzHefKEh-pcc0_Qvh9Ck3BhvAioab8/w480-h640/IMG_9227.jpg)

Above are a couple of dead Lancashire Sudan era next to a dead Donnington 15 mm horse.  Sure, the Lancashire figures are "supposed to be" 18 mm so bigger is expected - but by no reasonable measure are those dead 18 mm, 20 mm at a minimum and big for 20 mm.  I will be gifting these to a friend who has 25 mm colonials if he wants them, probably have to paint them for him to take them.

And then the, well, not ideal but I'll find a way:

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggrP_qfrR-sbqcy8qoEmtYOW1O9iXxYh4G5ObAV2ob9ulpdaIykV07ehuKP2OuuiIoYbzNUnwDMcpn4mTqtfcFMu6JTnNemYQaSy8NbfgRokwnVloaET4ojJ3PNEPDscIDutExCdU1zw6L1rQCHaqENupF9ZIzyLB_a3P7jE3m9ZeY7zP16m5hIOKPa3Q/w480-h640/IMG_9223.jpg)

Blue Moon Chinese Boxer range civilians bracketing Lancashire Chinese women and children (or maybe white folk from Lancashire - but beyond all doubt the same dollies were used for both, bought both, so it doesn't really matter).  Blue Moon is generally acknowledged to be pretty large for 15 mm, a lot more on the 18 mm front, but still workable.  As you can see, the Lancashire figures are clearly taller, so being generous we can call them really large 18 mm figures.

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCqObHifW9OzhIFcq3vesMSaMGYUgKOgXsYuq1kwraxAdWk7TSGBrUKlxzmHbBZHfGhtx71P2vhfpdU9QhPbVb06Pi7DGtfXtZYkIb6RZ8BCqAI-PUlhMTOjSRZJ2ymd5XiTCzVbujbXgLIdXlsfxnjeqjMeQwEVWeaz_uqZNQZO79UM66uo0mguHLTso/w640-h480/IMG_9224.jpg)

Same figures, different angle shows the difference better.

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjewg-G1YZw5HIgk6HUkr8qQ4QUuyD4hRKRcLizcAF2ul_pyBKh057Cvj3fPzuB2yR9fggPBuGNuhyphenhyphenRjKtXuu85hhXZoPVUAJVhC7XNeRiGXB7Hq6mgJKCJSE7tSMUsuSUGkBJSgcJgGe8rumF5mJ_heCxkS1SRwCtxmhfLvtCgPRlJkstORHwkKoBhFss/w640-h480/IMG_9225.jpg)

This last shot shows Blue Moon men - and they are towered over by the Lancashire women.

So, use the comparison photos as a 'cautionary tale' for those looking to buy.  I will do what I can to make the figures useful because the options are so few but I am not confident they will work well - if at all.  The minimum is to reduce the thickness of the bases as much as possible but I put a Blue Moon woman on its base on top of the Lancashire woman's base and the Lancashire figure was still clearly taller than the Blue Moon figure, quite noticeably so.  I guess I'll just have to consider these Chinese to be very tall ones, not all East Asians are short folk, there are pretty tall Chinese men and women.

But not all bad, I did get a Napoleon in Egypt pack that has archaeologists one of whom is next to the Rosetta Stone - and the stone is a pretty good rendition, I studied the real one when at the British Museum last May.  Just have to modify the figures a bit for later time frame for my Slightly Cracked Colonials (some sort of fictional second Rosetta Stone).  But even those figures are big!

I guess the moral of the story is, if using Lancashire figures, stick with Lancashire figures - though maybe some Irregular figures might match.  But Irregular matches better to Blue Moon but slightly taller at times, I have many of both.

C'est la guerre.



Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century (comparison photos added)
Post by: Deflatermouse on 08 February 2025, 10:10:55 AM
Irregular have a couple of figures, Officers IIRC that you could trim away their sword and use.
They are closer to 15mm.
Splintered Light Games have a true 15mm figure of a classic western style chinese. In the attached photo they are the 2nd and 3rd from right.

Museum Miniatures also do Chinese Hordes and they are bigger sized, but smaller than the Lancashire figs.
Sadly no pics on the site but I was try to find mine for a picture.
https://www.museumminiatures.co.uk/camp-followers-chinesemongol.html

The giant 18mm Lancashire figures might be the inhabitants of Shangri-La?
Title: Re: 15 mm unarmed Chinese civilians for 19th century
Post by: Smokeyrone on 09 February 2025, 02:00:34 AM
So, here are the comparison photos and let's start with the 'ugly':

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9zyvA6JlW9z0rqhFInRhZDTkYHHGLUj3tsPUYgdvGQwDFcFV5ah8IGnavTZfzmEDJroqMdw1AEqklxOULTzqNE3kBcbpkxUhsCxNMOd96EYPy0puwL4JV6aheBdNvITRsatGcBv54zDlideYAm_kA7TsS6HNONuzHefKEh-pcc0_Qvh9Ck3BhvAioab8/w480-h640/IMG_9227.jpg)

Above are a couple of dead Lancashire Sudan era next to a dead Donnington 15 mm horse.  Sure, the Lancashire figures are "supposed to be" 18 mm so bigger is expected - but by no reasonable measure are those dead 18 mm, 20 mm at a minimum and big for 20 mm.  I will be gifting these to a friend who has 25 mm colonials if he wants them, probably have to paint them for him to take them.

And then the, well, not ideal but I'll find a way:

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEggrP_qfrR-sbqcy8qoEmtYOW1O9iXxYh4G5ObAV2ob9ulpdaIykV07ehuKP2OuuiIoYbzNUnwDMcpn4mTqtfcFMu6JTnNemYQaSy8NbfgRokwnVloaET4ojJ3PNEPDscIDutExCdU1zw6L1rQCHaqENupF9ZIzyLB_a3P7jE3m9ZeY7zP16m5hIOKPa3Q/w480-h640/IMG_9223.jpg)

Blue Moon Chinese Boxer range civilians bracketing Lancashire Chinese women and children (or maybe white folk from Lancashire - but beyond all doubt the same dollies were used for both, bought both, so it doesn't really matter).  Blue Moon is generally acknowledged to be pretty large for 15 mm, a lot more on the 18 mm front, but still workable.  As you can see, the Lancashire figures are clearly taller, so being generous we can call them really large 18 mm figures.

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCqObHifW9OzhIFcq3vesMSaMGYUgKOgXsYuq1kwraxAdWk7TSGBrUKlxzmHbBZHfGhtx71P2vhfpdU9QhPbVb06Pi7DGtfXtZYkIb6RZ8BCqAI-PUlhMTOjSRZJ2ymd5XiTCzVbujbXgLIdXlsfxnjeqjMeQwEVWeaz_uqZNQZO79UM66uo0mguHLTso/w640-h480/IMG_9224.jpg)

Same figures, different angle shows the difference better.

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjewg-G1YZw5HIgk6HUkr8qQ4QUuyD4hRKRcLizcAF2ul_pyBKh057Cvj3fPzuB2yR9fggPBuGNuhyphenhyphenRjKtXuu85hhXZoPVUAJVhC7XNeRiGXB7Hq6mgJKCJSE7tSMUsuSUGkBJSgcJgGe8rumF5mJ_heCxkS1SRwCtxmhfLvtCgPRlJkstORHwkKoBhFss/w640-h480/IMG_9225.jpg)

This last shot shows Blue Moon men - and they are towered over by the Lancashire women.

So, use the comparison photos as a 'cautionary tale' for those looking to buy.  I will do what I can to make the figures useful because the options are so few but I am not confident they will work well - if at all.  The minimum is to reduce the thickness of the bases as much as possible but I put a Blue Moon woman on its base on top of the Lancashire woman's base and the Lancashire figure was still clearly taller than the Blue Moon figure, quite noticeably so.  I guess I'll just have to consider these Chinese to be very tall ones, not all East Asians are short folk, there are pretty tall Chinese men and women.

But not all bad, I did get a Napoleon in Egypt pack that has archaeologists one of whom is next to the Rosetta Stone - and the stone is a pretty good rendition, I studied the real one when at the British Museum last May.  Just have to modify the figures a bit for later time frame for my Slightly Cracked Colonials (some sort of fictional second Rosetta Stone).  But even those figures are big!

I guess the moral of the story is, if using Lancashire figures, stick with Lancashire figures - though maybe some Irregular figures might match.  But Irregular matches better to Blue Moon but slightly taller at times, I have many of both.

C'est la guerre.

Lol, check out Lancashire 15mm Ashantis......damn near 25mm