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Title: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 28 December 2024, 04:03:02 AM
Dear forum members.
Please tell me the names and authors of books, historical reliable images and videos and other information on the uniform of the troops of the Ottoman Empire

Thanks
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Atheling on 28 December 2024, 04:15:03 AM
Try Helion:

From Retinue to Regiment 1453-1618
https://www.helion.co.uk/series/from-retinue-to-regiment-1453-1618.php (https://www.helion.co.uk/series/from-retinue-to-regiment-1453-1618.php)


Century of the Soldier 1618-1721
https://www.helion.co.uk/series/century-of-the-soldier-1618-1721.php (https://www.helion.co.uk/series/century-of-the-soldier-1618-1721.php)
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: SJWi on 28 December 2024, 07:51:03 AM
As you are posting here I assume you mean the Ottoman armies of the 15-17th centuries?  Although nearly 40 years old the WRG "Armies of the Middle Ages vol2" by Ian Heath which covers the Ottoman Empire and Eastern Europe seems to be still pretty good. The Osprey MAA on the Ottoman Army is IMHO too wide ranging but has some excellent Angus McBride colour plates.  The Elite Series no 58 on the Janissaries by David Nicolle is more specific but again has excellent plates by Christa Hook.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 28 December 2024, 05:03:44 PM
Try Helion:

From Retinue to Regiment 1453-1618
https://www.helion.co.uk/series/from-retinue-to-regiment-1453-1618.php (https://www.helion.co.uk/series/from-retinue-to-regiment-1453-1618.php)


Century of the Soldier 1618-1721
https://www.helion.co.uk/series/century-of-the-soldier-1618-1721.php (https://www.helion.co.uk/series/century-of-the-soldier-1618-1721.php)


Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 28 December 2024, 05:06:52 PM
As you are posting here I assume you mean the Ottoman armies of the 15-17th centuries?  Although nearly 40 years old the WRG "Armies of the Middle Ages vol2" by Ian Heath which covers the Ottoman Empire and Eastern Europe seems to be still pretty good. The Osprey MAA on the Ottoman Army is IMHO too wide ranging but has some excellent Angus McBride colour plates.  The Elite Series no 58 on the Janissaries by David Nicolle is more specific but again has excellent plates by Christa Hook.

Thank you very much.

I can't understand the differences between the capicula (the main body of armed forces, which was maintained by the state. Included infantry, cavalry, artillery and navy)

The army of the seratkula - an auxiliary army, maintained at the expense of the provincial authorities, consisted of infantry and cavalry.
The army of the toprakly - cavalry, formed on the basis of the military-fief system.

The cavalry of the vassal provinces paying tribute.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Atheling on 28 December 2024, 05:32:04 PM
Thanks!!!

The Helion range of books are some of the very best for wargamers!!!
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Moriarty on 28 December 2024, 05:33:22 PM
Thank you very much.

I can't understand the differences between the capicula (the main body of armed forces, which was maintained by the state. Included infantry, cavalry, artillery and navy)

The army of the seratkula - an auxiliary army, maintained at the expense of the provincial authorities, consisted of infantry and cavalry.
The army of the toprakly - cavalry, formed on the basis of the military-fief system.

The cavalry of the vassal provinces paying tribute.

Yeah. You and the rest of us :x)

I think of it as similar to the Late Roman/Byzantine system. Centralised ‘fire brigade’ forces, backing up ‘border guards’, alerted by ‘burglar alarm’ frontier troops. Basically a defensive organisation, with the regulars moving to the threatened area, collecting auxiliaries on the way, to support the frontier troops in case of invasion. If the incursion is small enough to be dealt with by the outer layers, great - the Sultan gets  to stay with the hareem. You might want to look into “palanka’, a sort of Wild West fort used to control frontier areas. Rather like the castles of the West.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: AdamPHayes on 28 December 2024, 08:14:44 PM
The Helion range of books are some of the very best for wargamers!!!

The Bruno Mughai books from Helion are very good.

It’s nigh on impossible to quantify a “typical” Ottoman army as they varied a lot between theatres and campaigns, even some garrisons could have a mixture of regular Kapikulu Janissaries, local militia and local auxiliaries raised for a short period. And of course the army evolved over time in response to different threats and financial necessities.

For example Toprakali Sipahi cavalry were a major part of the army’s cavalry until the 18th Century, when the lands that they held in exchange for military service were more and more tax farmed instead, to raise cash for more cost effective infantry. By the middle of the century they had all but vanished. Private forces raised by regional magnates were used to make up the difference.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 29 December 2024, 01:07:11 PM
Thanks!!!!

I understand it this way. We will need light cavalry, heavy cavalry, light infantry (guys barefoot and with knives), heavy infantry (Janissaries), artillery.
I will try to find information on specific operations. Sieges of Rhodes and others.....

Please tell me. For you, what were the most striking military operations of the Ottoman Empire (15th-17th centuries)?

Losing or winning - it does not matter
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Atheling on 29 December 2024, 01:12:51 PM

Please tell me. For you, what were the most striking military operations of the Ottoman Empire (15th-17th centuries)?

Losing or winning - it does not matter

It would have to be the Sultan Mehmed II's successful Siege of Constantinople 1453! Arguably one of the military endeavors that changed the world.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Donkeymilkman on 29 December 2024, 01:41:37 PM
Thanks!!!!

I understand it this way. We will need light cavalry, heavy cavalry, light infantry (guys barefoot and with knives), heavy infantry (Janissaries), artillery.
I will try to find information on specific operations. Sieges of Rhodes and others.....

Please tell me. For you, what were the most striking military operations of the Ottoman Empire (15th-17th centuries)?

Losing or winning - it does not matter

Siege of Vienna in 1529. Atheling has already said Constantinople but finding suitable figures is hard for that one. Skanderberg's rebellion in Albania is also an interesting one occurring in 1443. Often, with the image of the Ottoman threat to Christendom, people forget the campaign against the Mamelukes, 1516-1517, and then there's the multiple campaigns against the Persians. My personal opinion with collecting the Ottomans is chose your enemy first, then develop an Ottoman army you want to fight them with.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: FierceKitty on 30 December 2024, 12:31:47 AM
Sounds like a good excuse for a holiday in Turkey....
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: carlos marighela on 30 December 2024, 02:55:15 AM
Add to your list the 1565 Siege of Malta ( Ottomans vs everyone) and the Siege of Famgusta 1571 ( Ottomans vs the Venetians) and of course the 1571 naval batte of Lepanto again against pretty much everyone west of Corfu and the one that basically puts the kibosh on Ottoman expansion in the Med.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 30 December 2024, 08:21:31 AM
Thank you very much!!!!
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 17 August 2025, 04:13:53 AM
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Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Knight of St John on 17 August 2025, 06:58:00 PM
You keep getting better and better. What will you be working on next for the Ottoman’s ?
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 18 August 2025, 10:26:25 AM
You keep getting better and better. What will you be working on next for the Ottoman’s ?

I made janissaries in metal.

Next are seimens - dragoons of the Ottoman Empire
Artillery

and generals

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Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Calvin59 on 18 August 2025, 10:45:19 AM
They are superb, are they 15 to 28 mm?  ;)
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 18 August 2025, 11:26:05 AM
They are superb, are they 15 to 28 mm?  ;)

Yes, 28mm
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Count Belisarius on 18 August 2025, 02:06:46 PM
They are indeed rather splendid!
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: commissarmoody on 21 August 2025, 05:44:13 AM
Would Those Jannissares work for 1453? I am guessing no.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 22 August 2025, 04:35:56 AM
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Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 22 August 2025, 04:37:53 AM
Would Those Jannissares work for 1453? I am guessing no.

Sorry for the delay in my responses. I have a weak internet connection.

Janissaries with cold arms would be quite suitable for 1453. There may be some subtleties of the uniform, but I don't know them
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 22 August 2025, 05:44:17 PM
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Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 22 August 2025, 07:34:45 PM
I have a request.

Please share information on the artillery of Ottoman Turkey in the 17th century.
I am very interested in the sizes and images of artillery guns of the 17th century
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: sultanbev on 22 August 2025, 09:21:46 PM
I have a request.

Please share information on the artillery of Ottoman Turkey in the 17th century.
I am very interested in the sizes and images of artillery guns of the 17th century

Rhoads Murphey in his book Ottoman Warfare 1500-1700, pp109-110 states that the most common Ottoman field artillery piece was the Zarbzen, which was basically a 1pdr pack gun, weighing only 125lbs. This is often overlooked by wargames manufacturers. Some of these would be the camel guns, Zembuks.

For sieges the 30-60pdr culverins were standard in 1550s, but by 1650s they had got bigger in the region of 45-85pdr Culverins. Fortress artillery tended to have 30pdrs as the most common gun.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 23 August 2025, 04:36:34 AM
Thank you very much.

Please tell me if the field guns of the Ottoman Empire were on carriages of different sizes. Or (the Turks had a standardized caliber) all carriages were the same and the difference was only in the length of the artillery pieces

For now I will do it according to these images

But is it worth making another small caliber and a smaller carriage???

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Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: sultanbev on 23 August 2025, 10:10:32 AM
A lot of the heavier guns were hand made specific for individual campaigns - it was easier than dragging them across the entire empire. Like most nations at the time they were not put in batteries of the same calibre or shot weight until later in the 1700s, so having every model gun looking different would not be out of place. But, that's not what you want to hear :)

Here is a 1730s gun OOB for the Ottoman fort of Izvornik in Bosnia, a Vauban style fort with 9 towers which had:
16x large brass guns, 4 horse-drawn field guns, 2 small mortars, 2 cannon
the walls had: 4 large mortars, 12 medium mortars, 200 small mortars, 50 hand mortars, 1800 bronze Tower Guns, 660 tower muskets, 113 smaller guns
taken from Michael Robert Hickok - Ottoman Military Administration in Eighteenth-Century Bosnia.
Unfortunately it doesn't define large, medium and small. I'm guessing the Tower Guns are like the 1pdr Zarbzens. Although from a little later than the period you are covering, I think it is possible to get an idea of the variety and ratio of gun types.

I do have a print of assorted hand artillery, one looks like a Sa-7 launcher and another like a 40mm M79 grenade launcher, but I can't get it to upload.

Back to your field guns, it is not clear how standardised Ottoman artillery was at this period. If it were me, I would make two guns, one very large like the prints you've shown, and one very small, on the scale of an amusette.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 23 August 2025, 10:13:45 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Numpty on 25 August 2025, 10:53:07 PM
Are these wonderful figures available commercially please?
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 26 August 2025, 04:24:24 PM
Are these wonderful figures available commercially please?
I live in Russia.

On the territory of Russia these figures can be freely purchased

I hope in the future they will be available for purchase all over the world.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 30 August 2025, 06:12:17 AM
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Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 30 August 2025, 07:40:31 AM
Currently looking for information on military commanders and other people from the headquarters
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: sultanbev on 30 August 2025, 09:10:15 AM
Regarding my comments about hand artillery, I got the picture to upload
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The gun on the top right may well be the Zarbzen pack artillery I mentioned.
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 30 August 2025, 09:52:24 AM
Thank you very much
Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
Post by: Khmorg on 30 August 2025, 11:22:08 AM
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Title: Re: Ottoman Empire
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