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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: markw on 03 January 2025, 10:31:33 AM
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Happy new year to everyone. I am currently reading the the lovely Midgard Heroic Battles and it got me thinking about the Trojan Wars. I have been looking online at the few 28mm manufacturers and 3d printed minis for inspiration. Can anyone make any recommendations?
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Speaking of the Late Bronze Age?
Then for me the best range to date is by Wargames Foundry (not Casting Room!). All metal Perry sculpts, heavily inspired by Peter Connolly's artworks, thus rooted in decent research. (That is, as far as one takes Homer's fiction for a historical event of the 1100s BCE.) Beware, though, that they are 'proper' 28mm minis, dwarfed by the likes of Steve Saleh's Ziggurat/Lucid Eye models.
I tried Redoubt, too. Unfortunately, the range was plagued by miscasts, i. e. some headless or otherwise distorted minis throughout. Prints by Wargames Atlantic are a 'best value' option. I just find their 3d sculpts often over-animated and less historically accurate in detail.
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Thanks for the quick response, I am currently looking at the Foundry minis. They are fantastic and I have many of their other ranges but as suggested are a tad short. But if they have the models then that will work. Only looking to paint up about 40 models as a tester.
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My ProjectTroy uses a mix of different ranges.
https://irregularwars.blogspot.com/search/label/ProjectTROY?updated-max=2021-06-12T18:35:00%2B01:00&max-results=20&start=6&by-date=false (https://irregularwars.blogspot.com/search/label/ProjectTROY?updated-max=2021-06-12T18:35:00%2B01:00&max-results=20&start=6&by-date=false)
Wargames Foundry are great, but as Mad Doc Morris says, slighter than a lot of more modern ranges. They work well with Newline, but Newline can be a bit stiff and static. Redoubt are... Redoubt. Some are fantastic, some are a bit mediocre, most will have a lot of flash to remove. The Lucid Eye stuff is splendid - if a bit stylised. Eureka's range is pretty brilliant, and scale well with Lucid Eye.
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Nic does a much better job at illustrating your options :-*
In comparison my own attempt at this topic is pitiful and altogether not well documented. So here's just a snapshot of a participation game we did back then. If only to underline that the Foundry range offers easily enough variation for about 40 models per side, a size we aimed for in our game.
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Thanks for all your responses. In regards to Lucid eye minis. I thought he only did Sea People and Amazons.
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Mine are foundry. Great figures and I have no complaints.
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Hi
There is No Doubt the Foundry Figures are Wonderful , especially their Heroes :-* :-* :-* :-* what did you expect they are Perrys .. lol
However the fact is they do not do a Full Range .
The Only Manufacturer that does is Redoubt .
If you Dont Consider and include them, then you are doing yourself a disservice ..have a look.
Cheers
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I had a Foundry Trojan army that I sold many years ago and of course I wish I still had it as they were lovely figures. If I was to do it again I would probably go Redoubt for cost, variety and large figures are easier to paint.
Christopher
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I have just placed a order with Redought miniatures after a nice chat with the owner of the business
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Eureka Miniatures do a great range of Trojan Wars figures including chariots and other things.
https://www.eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_876_865&sort=3a (https://www.eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_876_865&sort=3a)
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Thanks for all your comments. I have recently looked at warlord games biblical range which are cutting edge miniatures. They look to cover many Bronze Age armies and I am interested in the quality of the miniatures
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Thanks for all your comments. I have recently looked at warlord games biblical range which are cutting edge miniatures. They look to cover many Bronze Age armies and I am interested in the quality of the miniatures
Horses for courses.
The ones I have seen are not really to my taste being much slighter and more static than other ranges. Of course, painted up they still look good on the table.
Here is a battle report of Warlord Hittites vs my Trojans. https://irregularwars.blogspot.com/2023/10/trojans-of-tour-28mm-fantastic-battles.html (https://irregularwars.blogspot.com/2023/10/trojans-of-tour-28mm-fantastic-battles.html)
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The Bull Dancer range is available from Ral Partha Legacy:
https://ralparthalegacy.com/collections/bull-dancer-miniatures
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They look impressive
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MarkW, I will be interested to see what you make of the Redoubt models. I bought a load of Redoubt Trojan Wars figures back in the '90s when they were still owned by "Redoubt" and they were lovely models. Over the years I have bought a lot of 20mm WW2 and 28mm French-Indian Wars stuff from Grubby, but would now only buy from him when I can see them before purchase. My last purchase of French Infantry featured a lot of thick flash which it was almost impossible to carve off, plus some form of black rubberised material was embedded in a few places. I suspect his moulds have seen better days, and as I understand he plans to retire soon I doubt he will be renewing them.
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Ouch! That black material was parts of the mould that tore off when the figures were removed. The next time the mould was used, those black spots would be metal… Similar mould damage on earlier spins explains at least some of the heavy flash on the miniatures that you received (another possibility is poor alignment between the mould halves).
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Thanks. I guessed it was due to the mould being past its "use by date". Its a real shame as the figures were full of character. I also have most of the Redoubt "Three Musketeer" range which in their day were probably the nicest range for that gaming period on the market .
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Following all the comments on the redought figures I decided not to make the £200 purchase. So I am still looking and reviewing all options.
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When Redoubt are good, they are great. But about a third of all stuff I've bought from them were poorly cast with misaligned moulds and/or a lot of flash.
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After reading all the great comments I am decided to expand on my list of Bronze Age armies. I recently received Warlords Bronze Age for some inspiration
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My Mycenaeans are a mix of Eureka, Foundry, and Newline. They all work together quite well. I even have a few Casting Room Miniatures (Trojan Command and Civilians in particular) that look good in person.
If you are open to 3D printing, I've been eying Scropha Miniatures' line of Myceneans but I'm not sure how well they match up with the miniatures above. Height wouldn't be an issue being 3d printed...
(https://dl2.myminifactory.com/object-assets/64d6bc4b31bc26.16249031/images/720X720-biblical-pack-shot-guerriers-late.jpg)
I don't know how important historical authenticity is to you, but late Myceneans around the time of the Trojan War have some noticeable differences compared to early Mycenaeans of the 17th-14th centuries. With late Myceneans you have no Dendra armor, no close order pikes, more clothing and armor for the rank and file, less figure eight and tower shields, the introduction of round and Dipylon shields....
I would HIGHLY suggest checking out this site as a resource. It was extremely helpful in my own research.
https://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/index.htm (https://www.salimbeti.com/micenei/index.htm)
The Bull Dancer range is available from Ral Partha Legacy:
https://ralparthalegacy.com/collections/bull-dancer-miniatures
I've been looking all over for a box chariot for earlier Mycenaeans! However $35 for one chariot is way too steep for me. o_o
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Thanks for that. I will take a look at their 3d minis