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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Calvin59 on February 24, 2025, 10:12:54 AM
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I took out the rule "Legends of The Old West" (LOTOW), in order to make some meetings between English and French.
As I already have French from Perry Miniatures, I would like to continue in the same brand. But I do not know which reference to take, because there are many for the battle of Waterloo. I therefore ask the members of this forum to help me in the choice of figurines for the campaigns of Spain or Portugal.
I thank you in advance. ;)
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You’ll find shakos for British are different “Stovepipes” in Spain, “Belgic” for Waterloo campaign. Cavalry head gear transitions as well. French go through all sorts of variations in uniform and shako, but only the purists make comment if there is an anachronism on the table. Perry plastics let you do either. Victrix are good as well and have energetic poses not in Perry plastics.
For the Peninsular my fav general reference is “Military Dress of the Pensinsular War 1808-1814 by Martin Windrow and Gerry Embleton. Quite thorough, with 100 coloured illustrations. It might be the only reference you’ll ever need. ISBN 1-85915-044-6. I believe it is still in print.
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Thank you very much Aethelflaeda was framed for giving me the information and the book reference. Could I ask you again, because as I want to make ambushes and therefore with a limited number of figurines, if I can find in the Perry Miniatures references in metal figurines that can correspond to the Peninsular War. ;)
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I find 2 sets of metal infantry in "pre-1812" uniforms, all in march attack pose. If you want skirmish action poses, stick to the guys in greatcoats and tell anyone fussy enough to complain to buy and paint their own figures. ;)
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Thank you vtsaogames, but I think the two references you are talking about are French references. I am looking for English people who could be on the stage in Spain or Portugal. ;)
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For the British, it’s easy. Look at the shako. if it is straight up and tall looking “like a stovepipe” you will be fine for infantry. (Perry BH 76 is a perfect example). For horse, tarleton helmets for lights, and bicornes for the heavies, although in 1814 you might see some of the new headgear such as Heavy Dragoon helmets and bell shakos for the lights.
For French, I wouldn’t sweat it. The shako is ornamented a bit differently over the years but is doesn’t really change shape much. Jackets and coats change a bit in shape but mostly aren’t noticeably different on the game table. As Vtsaogames states…go with the great-coats, covered shakos and nobody will complain. Just stay away from Revolutionary French figs and you will be fine. even if an 1814 uniform ifinds its way into a unit with mostly 1809 uniforms. Paint the jackets blue, (or for a very brief period in white) and everyone will know they are French. You also can field a lot of Germans, Italians and Poles in what are basically French uniforms and shakos ( And even Spanish…).
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Calvin, looking at the Perry range from what I can see there aren't many metals for "British Peninsular. Most of the range seem aimed at the Waterloo campaign or the earlier Egyptian campaign .Codes 72-76 seem to be the right dates .Their box set of plastic British might have heads with both stovepipe and Belgic shako as it says it covers the period 1808-15, but no more detail.
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The Perry plastics come with stovepipe or Belgic shako heads to use as you wish. BH72-76 in the metals are perfect. Don’t forget about Victrix plastics either. lots of great skirmish poses, and very individual.
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Thank you both (SJWi, Aethelflaeda was framed) for giving me the details I wanted to know about suitable figurines. ;)
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You’re welcome, looking forward to some pics of your efforts.
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Thank you Aethelflaeda was framed, but before sending some pictures of figurines. It is necessary that with my game comrade we can know much better the adaptation of LOTOW which is called "Moulins & Chemins Creux" for the period of the Vendée war. This version appeared in two issues of the magazine Vae Victis. Then when we master the latter we will finally be able to make English and French bands. For the moment we will be able to play with Republicans and Vendéens who are already painted. ;)
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Thank you vtsaogames, but I think the two references you are talking about are French references. I am looking for English people who could be on the stage in Spain or Portugal. ;)
Ah, les rosbifs.
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Calvin, I'm fascinated that you play the Vendee. Do you have any more detail of the rules or adaptations you use? I have large-ish skirmish forces for the period, Which I plan to use with Sharp Practice. I actually posted on LAF last week asking for information but most people pointed me to comparisons with Spain or the Irish Rebellion of the 1790s. From what I read the Vendee was quite different.
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SJWi, I haven't played this period yet. But the adaptation of the LOTOW rule for the period of the Vendée War appeared a few years ago in the magazine Vae Victis (French magazine on games and wargames with figurines). Until now I had not yet put this project into action, but since the beginning of the year with my friend we have started to play the version for the ECW.
To return to the period there were very big battles apart from Cholet, or still Quiberon but there it is more with the chouans. Most of the time they are raids and then they disappear into the wild.
Do you read French because there are a multitude of publications on the subject. Tell me what you want to know. ;)
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I think you need "LotOW - Showdown" in this book, the fourth of the row, there are alternative periods. Napoleonic, ACW, etc. This will help you
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Calvin, thanks for the Vendee information. Do you know which editions of Vae Victis covered the Vendee? My French was basic. I did work for a Franco-Italian-German-British defence company and ran a team in Paris, so visited a lot. My only problem was that the common lingua-franca of the company was English. I am still in regular contact with ex-colleagues based on a common love of history, and indeed will be meeting some of them end of March for a visit to Les Invalides in Paris .Maybe I could find a good bookshop?
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SJWi, the articles about the war in Vendée appeared in the magazine Vae Victis N°92 May/June 2010 and N°93 July/August 2010.
You have some videos on this subject on You Tube too.
About literature I don't know if you will find anything during your stay in Paris. I think that most of the publications are regional. Maybe by chance at the bookstore of the Invalides museum you will find something. ;)
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SJWi, send me your email address in PM, so I can send you some little things. ;)
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I just remembered this book I have in my library. It traces the history of this period.
Jean Tranié - Les Guerres de l'Ouest 1793 -1815
Normandie - Bretagne - Vendée - Maine - Anjou - Poitou
;)
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Hi Calvin. Did you receive my pm with my e-mail address?
Regards
SJWi
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Yes, I received it, thank you, I will be busy at the beginning of the next week. ;)
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Excellent. Thanks.
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For british in the peninsula (Portugal and Spain) you can use the following;
BH1 Plastic British Napoleonic Line Infantry box set (comes with both stovepipe shackos and belgic shackos)
BH18 British 95th Rifles command
BH19 British 95th Riflemen skirmishing
BH30 British Light Infantry command advancing
BH31 British 43rd Light Infantry command advancing
BH32 British Light Infantry advancing, muskets at trail
BH 68 Infantry command marching 1808-14
BH 69 Infantry, centre companies, marching 1808-14
BH 70 Ragged Infantry, centre companies, marching 1808-14
BH 71 Flank companies marching 1808-14
BH 72 Ragged Flank companies marching 1808-14
BH 73 Flank companies skirmishing 1808-14
BH 74 Light Infantry command marching 1808-14
BH 75 Light Infantry marching 1808-14
BH 76 Light Infantry skirmishing 1808-14
BH 103 Dismounted Light Dragoons skirmishing 1808-12
BH 106 Colonels in bicornes ,(Worldwide) 1808-13
BH 135 Royal Foot Artillery firing 6 pdr 1808-14
BH 136 Royal Foot Artillery loading 6 pdr 1808-14
BH 137 Royal Foot Artillery traversing 6 pdr 1808-14
BH 138 Royal Foot Artillery firing 5.5 Howitzer 1808-14
BH 139 Royal Foot Artillery traversing 5.5 Howitzer 1808-14
BH 142 Peninsular War camp scene 1. British Infantry standing down, plus sentry.
BH 152 French prisoners under guard
Just to name some packs.
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rumacara, thank you for having this list, so I can make a selection of the figurines that I would like to take for the ambushes. ;)
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If you want cavalry let me know and i will check wich ones.
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That's very kind of you rumacara, yes why not it could be useful to me as well as those who will read this topic.
It is true that I would have liked the reference BH 103 Dismounted Light Dragoons skirmishing 1808-12, but there is no reference of mounted riders or command. ;)
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After looking at the different English figurines from Perry Miniatures, I discovered that in the plastic box of the Light Dragoons we found the figurines assembled for the first period of the Peninsular War. ;)