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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: AKULA on March 06, 2025, 01:28:07 PM
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Am seriously excited about Season 2.
12 episodes...covering 4 years in the run-up to the events of Rogue One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4wxt70aUM
and more...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3oj2SWteBQ
So much to like about the visual eye candy already 8)
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Same here. Just watched Season 1.
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saw a post on Threads this morning saying it's going to be covering the Massacre of Gammorah - were Tarkin parked his ship on protestors
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Looking forward to the show. I just hope it doesn't feel too rushed, if they're trying to cram four years into 8 episodes.
However, chunks of season 1 (which I enjoyed) felt like filler (the whole prison stuff), so this could work in its favour
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Thrilling - Rogue One and Andor are some of my favourites in the new stories. Can’t wait!
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Looking forward to the show. I just hope it doesn't feel too rushed, if they're trying to cram four years into 8 episodes.
However, chunks of season 1 (which I enjoyed) felt like filler (the whole prison stuff), so this could work in its favour
I'd heard it was 12 episodes, so effectively 4 x 3 episode stories...
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I'd heard it was 12 episodes, so effectively 4 x 3 episode stories...
You're correct, not sure where I got 8 from... ??? I suppose it will also depend on the length of the episodes, which tend to be all over the place in streaming shows
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I am interested. :)
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Personally, I'm not that a massive fan of Star Wars these days, for most parts I can take it or leave it. BUT... Andor season 1 was a cracking great show and I thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish, I have been waiting for season 2 ever since.
It certainly doesn't hurt that they have my fellow countryman, the well renowned actor Stellan Skarsgard in it!!! :-*
Regards,
Legionnaire.
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Looking forward to the show. I just hope it doesn't feel too rushed, if they're trying to cram four years into 8 episodes.
However, chunks of season 1 (which I enjoyed) felt like filler (the whole prison stuff), so this could work in its favour
I didn't feel any was "filler" but more universe and character development with suspense.
Spoilers...
Andor has to go from what is essentially an unaligned thief to being someone who could lead a commando attack on Skariff. You can't do that in one series, but you need to set the seed. Remember he was reluctant to join the "rebellion". After all, we all know the end of his story. The prison was vital in that it represented what people could be imprisoned for and why (to build components for the Death Star).
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I didn't feel any was "filler" but more universe and character development with suspense.
I think I can see both arguments here. The prison section felt like it took up a lot of time, which I think in part is due to the way it was shown. They did make you feel the monotony of it all. I also think it might actually be one the most impactful thing Andor added to starwars. It showed that yes, the Empire can and does build very very tight prisons. And being in them is horrible without the need to lean on overt torture and other obvious quickhands for "very evil sci-fi prison". And it showed that even without high tech stuff, a population united and willing to sacrifice for each other can still escape that iron grip. Requiring smarts yes, but not oceans 11 levels of 5 dimensional masterminding.
The final escape felt very cathartic, because the prison sequence did instill the feeling of monotony and stasis, without any momentum or progress. It was very well done, but did also feel at odds with the rest of the show at times due to it?
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That prison sequence was reminiscent of THX 1138 - for me; and that I really enjoyed!
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The prison episodes had their own vibe and them being so different from the more gritty rest of the season made the prison life seem even more distanced from the 'real' world.
Also; I am pretty certain that that's an actual TIE-Advanced/Avenger (TIE/A) in those trailers! :-*
The TIE-Fighter sequel to the X-Wing PC-game has been one of my absolute favourites for literally decades now. In fact, I still play through it every few years or so, just for kicks, no matter the 600x800 resolution. And by and far, the TIE Advanced was my favourite ship to fly, beating even the TIE-Defender in that regard. So to now (finally) see it in live action (CGI) is very exciting to me :)
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Vader's personal TIE was the TIE Advanced
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That's the TIE-Advanced X1, the prototype that eventually led to the TIE-Avenger, which in the game was still called the TIE-Advanced :)
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the Avenger had the wing cutouts didn't it? which the Advanced didn't have?
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Yup, that's the one. Like an Interceptor, but on the front and the back:
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This is going to be a good season!
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Have rewatched both existing trailers, and there is plenty of inspiration already for some terrain given the number of different worlds included, plus some interesting looking kit (not just the new tie). Those ISB tactical looking troopers will be in the queue with most digital sculptors I'd imagine.
I wonder if Oshiro has some new additions to his range in mind :)
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The third official trailer has been released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duN-KQgOjYs
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A little snippet of news...looks like each week they are going to release 3 episodes!
The season will be cover 4 years in the run up to the events of Rogue One, with 3 episodes per year, so in effect we will get a Andor mini-series every week 8)
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A little snippet of news...looks like each week they are going to release 3 episodes!
The season will be cover 4 years in the run up to the events of Rogue One, with 3 episodes per year, so in effect we will get a Andor mini-series every week 8)
Yeah I heard that. Interesting approach, considering how different the arcs of the first season felt (we already talked about if the prison did or didn't fit in there here) I can see this giving them more room to have each mini series more of its own character and style. Kinda sad that they are rushing trough it all in one go, on the other hand this may end up being all highlights no filler top quality stuff? I wouldn't have high hopes for that with most series but with Andor... it just might.
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I'm hoping for a Felicity Jones (Jyn Erso) cameo. Not them actually talking or interacting, but just her in the background of a random scene, buying/stealing something from a stall somewhere. Saw Gerrera is in one of the trailers, so it's possible...
If they do take the 3 episode dump approach, it does mean I'll need to avoid reading this thread for 12 weeks, as I am an episode at a time watcher, not a binger lol
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I read a bit on why it's covering four years... the show runner had a five season show planned, but realised with the production of the first season that it would take too long for a five year arc and Luna's face would age beyond any hope of dovetailing into Rogue One, so they did this with each year essentially being a movie...
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I read a bit on why it's covering four years... the show runner had a five season show planned, but realised with the production of the first season that it would take too long for a five year arc and Luna's face would age beyond any hope of dovetailing into Rogue One, so they did this with each year essentially being a movie...
Yup... personally i love the idea of effectively getting 4 new Andor "movies" over a 4 week period 8)
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Another (very short) trailer...only 30 seconds, but another couple of teaser shots i dont think we've seen previously
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLt1mbKU9K4
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Another brief clip ...some new footage ... focus upon Diego Luna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XL5uHQTKo4
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I've got great expectations...
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Lovely models!
M looking forward to this season quite a bit, I really liked Rogue One (probably as much as IV !!! ) so to get the back story on Andor was cool.
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Lovely PJs Michi :-*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS42xmxCLDA
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Saw S2E1 at the weekend. Bit meh really :?
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With the first three episodes dropping and being nearly 3 hours worth of material, I'm not where I'm going to find the time to watch them before next Wednesday! lol
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yeah, could we change the title to NO spoilers...
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Sorry, not reading the thread, as I couldn’t watch it last night!
Found this on r/starwars; supposedly works “confirmed” or in concept.
Take it as you will. Some interesting ideas here. Love the Taika font is reminiscent of a Monty Python movie lol
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Maul might explain Sam Witwer at Celebrations last week…
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Mail might explain Sam Witwer at Celebrations last week…
I was at the May 4th once in Florida, it was pretty cool. The cartoon Ahsoka character was there at one of the events. For a Star Wars fan, they sure nailed it that week. So much fun.
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I really like Taika Waititi but I confess to being apprehensive about him doing a Star Wars movie.
And why so many trilogies? I'd rather have quality standalone movies than thin, poorly executed "arcs".
Nice to see more Visions though, they have been excellent so far.
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I really like Taika Waititi but I confess to being apprehensive about him doing a Star Wars movie.
And why so many trilogies? I'd rather have quality standalone movies than thin, poorly executed "arcs".
Nice to see more Visions though, they have been excellent so far.
Taika was heavily involved in the early parts of Mandolorian - and brilliant, I say. Much better than anything Filoni puts out. Filoni is likely the next head of studio after Kennedy, which I think is bad. I’ve never liked the cartoon series that he did.
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And didn’t Rian Johnson miss all the beats with the Last Jedi? Why is he still getting a trilogy?
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Is that not some sort of bingo card or something? Like we all pick one of the boxes and then cross out the crap ones as we go and whoever picks the good one is the winner?
Seriously, that is a lot of content from a very shaky IP. Too much me thinks.
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yeah, could we change the title to NO spoilers...
Sorry, he does not facilitate the destruction of the Death Star and he does not die helping Jyn Erso in her personal adventure. It was all a dream. lol lol lol lol
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Is that not some sort of bingo card or something? Like we all pick one of the boxes and then cross out the crap ones as we go and whoever picks the good one is the winner?
Seriously, that is a lot of content from a very shaky IP. Too much me thinks.
A lot seems just “working title”, so who knows what will come of it. Shaky IP? Dude, 1977 to now … nothing shakes the world more than Star Wars. Even Jar Jar has fans! (I don’t know any, but I’ve heard…).
I like something about all the Star Wars work, the cartoons least, but that’s me. All the live action has some redeeming quality. Space whales? Ugh. Ahsoka? Okay!
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Saw S2E1 at the weekend. Bit meh really :?
Just watched E1-3 and it definitely works better watching the 3 episodes in one sitting.
According to those that have had a sneak peek of the whole season, the first arc is the weakest...if that is the case then i cant wait for the rest
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yeah, managed to squeeze in all three last night - a bit slow, but some important moments set up for later I think...
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A lot seems just “working title”, so who knows what will come of it. Shaky IP? Dude, 1977 to now … nothing shakes the world more than Star Wars. Even Jar Jar has fans! (I don’t know any, but I’ve heard…).
I like something about all the Star Wars work, the cartoons least, but that’s me. All the live action has some redeeming quality. Space whales? Ugh. Ahsoka? Okay!
Jar Jar has fans? I mean really? That is disturbing.
I quite liked the Clone Wars animated series and even Rebels (after it got through the first season or two of awkwardness) - the showdown between Obi Wan and Maul has got to be a huge plus, hasn't it? I think there's still a lot of scope for Star Wars animation as long as Disney stops trying to make 'cartoons for kiddies' and takes it a little more seriously.
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Just watched all 3 episodes. agreed it's a slow start but patience, patience everyone :) Watched as a complete series I think we'll all appreciate the slow build up to a great finish
I've got ALOT of time for this story arc- it's pretty much the only thing I like from Disney star wars. Loved season 1 and the film makers are very capable so I'm looking forward to the next installments
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I'm not holding out much hope for Rogue Squadron or Rian Johnson's trilogy. Even Taika Waititi's Star Wars movie feels like a coin toss at this point - 50/50 whether it ever sees the light of day.
So far, there's been radio silence on a slew of promised Star Wars projects: the Lando series, Simon Kinberg's trilogy, Rian's trilogy, Taika's film, Rogue Squadron, Droid Story, and Dawn of the Jedi. If things continue this way, I wouldn't be surprised if they quietly disappear from the slate before the year wraps up.
And does anyone still remember that trilogy the Game of Thrones creators, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, were once set to helm? That one seemed to vanish before it even got off the ground.
At this rate, the Star Wars galaxy might be expanding more in rumours than in actual productions.
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I've noticed the same- the Marvel franchise seems to be in a similar state as well. I think it's just waning interest in the big established franchises, so the studios are having to make a few cuts. I'm not that cut up about it to be honest, Star Wars was getting to crowded for me anyways. Just glad we got the second season of Andor, that's enough for me :)
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I think it's the classic thing of over egging it, they over grazed the land. If they approached these big IPs with a bit more caution they'd ultimately get more out of them in the long term.
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I've enjoyed the first three, they promise greater things to come.
I do really hate the chopping between scenes the directer of episode three uses to try and augment tension between totally unrelated sub plots, that's really annoying.
On the whole, looking forward to the next three.
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I'm not holding out much hope for Rogue Squadron or Rian Johnson's trilogy. Even Taika Waititi's Star Wars movie feels like a coin toss at this point - 50/50 whether it ever sees the light of day.
So far, there's been radio silence on a slew of promised Star Wars projects: the Lando series, Simon Kinberg's trilogy, Rian's trilogy, Taika's film, Rogue Squadron, Droid Story, and Dawn of the Jedi. If things continue this way, I wouldn't be surprised if they quietly disappear from the slate before the year wraps up.
And does anyone still remember that trilogy the Game of Thrones creators, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, were once set to helm? That one seemed to vanish before it even got off the ground.
At this rate, the Star Wars galaxy might be expanding more in rumours than in actual productions.
That's a good point Nozza. I love this series but would I want all of SW to be like Andor? Not really? Having different directors do different styles of SW is a cool idea; I just think the whole thing needed more curating.
I would like to see the following though:
* A hard miliitary sci fi star wars tv series- rogue 1 is closest but in a tv format would be great. Hmmm maybe that is rogue squadron.......but I was thinking more a SW treatment of "enemy at the gate" or "band of brothers"....
* George's original sequel trilogy arc - George apparently had an outline for the last trilogy. I'd like to see this brought to screen in some way. Even if it wasn't very good it wouldn't matter to me; it would be his original 3 trilogy story I'd love to know what he intended
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Enjoyed the first three episodes. Bit slow but can see it's going to explode at some point. So nice to watch something not about Jedi and show more of the star wars universe. Already getting some new ideas for gaming SW.
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No singing droids or dancing wookies. So it was good three episodes as a start. In episode three some interesting cuts and switches, I was surprised about the artificial quality. Maybe there is some hope for SW from Disney.
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Enjoyed the first three episodes. Bit slow but can see it's going to explode at some point. So nice to watch something not about Jedi and show more of the star wars universe. Already getting some new ideas for gaming SW.
I do like that this show makes the SW universe feel bigger not smaller :)
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Of all the people you could list doing a SW cameo, Thierry Godard wouldn't be high on it 8)
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who?
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Of all the people you could list doing a SW cameo, Thierry Godard wouldn't be high on it 8)
He was great 8)
Certainly a thousand times better than the Jack Black/Lizzo cameo in Mandalorian {shudders}
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who?
Never watched Spiral?
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the Chris Rock Saw thing? no
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the Chris Rock Saw thing? no
Erm, no. It's a Parisian cop show.
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Also no
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And didn’t Rian Johnson miss all the beats with the Last Jedi? Why is he still getting a trilogy?
AFAIK, he's not getting another trilogy, it's just something that gets mentioned on occasion. Aside from Ahsoka, Andor and the Mandalorian, none of those shows listed are guaranteed for release - no news about Rogue Squadron for a year.
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Happy Star Wars Day.
Tales of the Underworld is on Disney+ today.
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Happy Star Wars Day.
Tales of the Underworld is on Disney+ today.
Thanks for the reminder!
And May the Fourth yadda-yadda-yadda …
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Just watched E1-3 and it definitely works better watching the 3 episodes in one sitting.
Agreed.
The highlight for me was the neverending wedding dance ;)
I mean I know it's not real, but if people the age of Mon Mothma danced continually with non-stop whirling at wedding receptions for half an hour or so, they'd collapse. Just saying.
Other aspects were far less far-fetched lol
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Happy Star Wars Day.
Tales of the Underworld is on Disney+ today.
The first two episodes of 'Tales of the Underworld' were a fantastic watch! I'm loving the vibe and have already told my group that this is exactly the feel I'm aiming for in our upcoming Star Wars campaign.
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The first two episodes of 'Tales of the Underworld' were a fantastic watch! I'm loving the vibe and have already told my group that this is exactly the feel I'm aiming for in our upcoming Star Wars campaign.
Watched it. “More baloney from Dave Filoni” is what they should have called it. At least the episodes were brief.
I just can’t enjoy the cartoons, they’re almost all universally bad. I’m guessing the cost of making them is a fraction of the live action.
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Watched it. “More baloney from Dave Filoni” is what they should have called it. At least the episodes were brief.
I just can’t enjoy the cartoons, they’re almost all universally bad. I’m guessing the cost of making them is a fraction of the live action.
Not seen it yet but I'm guessing that they fell into a similar pattern to the previous ones? They seem to have the mentality that animated series are only for kiddies so should be aimed at 10-12 year olds, end with a moral happy ending and not tax their minds overmuch. They did it with the first few series of Clone Wars, Rebels and other animated series - a few really good storylines got made, but a definite minority. If they could just get past this big studio mentality and look at animation in other countries that are aimed at adults and older young adults then they might actually be able to accomplish something. It's a completely wasted opportunity.
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Not seen it yet but I'm guessing that they fell into a similar pattern to the previous ones? They seem to have the mentality that animated series are only for kiddies so should be aimed at 10-12 year olds, end with a moral happy ending and not tax their minds overmuch. They did it with the first few series of Clone Wars, Rebels and other animated series - a few really good storylines got made, but a definite minority. If they could just get past this big studio mentality and look at animation in other countries that are aimed at adults and older young adults then they might actually be able to accomplish something. It's a completely wasted opportunity.
Pretty much nailed it. It’s why I don’t like Filoni as a possible future head of Studio after Kennedy. He’s probably the leading candidate, and it will just be more of his rubbish.
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Pretty much nailed it. It’s why I don’t like Filoni as a possible future head of Studio after Kennedy. He’s probably the leading candidate, and it will just be more of his rubbish.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Dave Filoni take over from Kathleen Kennedy. While he has both strengths and weaknesses, his contributions to Star Wars (especially The Clone Wars, Rebels, and The Mandalorian) have been enjoyable. He’s expanded the lore and preserved the emotional and mythological core of George Lucas’s vision.
His work isn’t without criticism. Maybe he gives too much focus to his own creations (like Ahsoka Tano) sometimes sidelining legacy characters such as Luke Skywalker and, his storytelling can also lean heavily on nostalgia, occasionally revisiting old material at the expense of innovation, and at times suffers from slow pacing, as seen in The Book of Boba Fett.
Still, I feel Filoni has deep understanding of the Star Wars mythos. His version of Star Wars is heartfelt and meaningful for longtime fans, even if it doesn’t always push the franchise in new directions.
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I might be in the minority here, but I actually really enjoyed Tales of the Underworld. I know most people seem to prefer the Cad Bane trilogy, but I thought the Asajj Ventress episodes were great too. The animation looked amazing, some of the best we’ve seen in Star Wars animation. Sure, the storytelling was a bit uneven, and not every episode landed the same way, but overall, I liked how it explored the galaxy’s criminal underworld. It added some cool new layers to the lore.
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I enjoyed the Tales of the Underworld, but given it was only 6 episodes each 12-15 mins long, i would have preferred if they'd focussed on either Ventress or Bane, and fleshed out one of the two more than they did.
That said, the added knowledge that Cad Bane was on the run from paying child-support does add more depth to his character ;)
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That said, the added knowledge that Cad Bane was on the run from paying child-support does add more depth to his character ;)
lol lol lol lol lol
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lol lol lol lol lol
“Dad Bane” ? lol
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I enjoyed the Tales of the Underworld, but given it was only 6 episodes each 12-15 mins long, i would have preferred if they'd focussed on either Ventress or Bane, and fleshed out one of the two more than they did.
That said, the added knowledge that Cad Bane was on the run from paying child-support does add more depth to his character ;)
Firstly - Clone Wars did this a lot; they'd do an episode with a group of characters here, another group there, others in between. Once they had solid backing, they then went back and added episodes to continue those characters' stories so, if they have a good run, they might add more Bane or Ventress stories.
Secondly, wtf? Cad Bane, ruthless mercenary with a heart of pure coal and a well-maintained reputation for tying up er, shooting any loose ends is allowing that reputation to become tarnished by child support? What's the angle? Who's he setting up for the drop? Who is he going to bump off? lol lol
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Agreed.
The highlight for me was the neverending wedding dance ;)
I mean I know it's not real, but if people the age of Mon Mothma danced continually with non-stop whirling at wedding receptions for half an hour or so, they'd collapse. Just saying.
Other aspects were far less far-fetched lol
The actress is 48yrs old. It's not that old... and there are plenty of dancers who still can do that. Plus it may have been shot in one take for a couple of mins, it's just a few seconds of sliced clip each time.
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I might be in the minority here, but I actually really enjoyed Tales of the Underworld. I know most people seem to prefer the Cad Bane trilogy, but I thought the Asajj Ventress episodes were great too. The animation looked amazing, some of the best we’ve seen in Star Wars animation. Sure, the storytelling was a bit uneven, and not every episode landed the same way, but overall, I liked how it explored the galaxy’s criminal underworld. It added some cool new layers to the lore.
Nope, I'm with you. Clone Wars handled that era far better than Lucas did with the prequel trilogy. The emotional aspect was far better and subtle.
The way Annakin was 'turned' and how some of his philosophy was inspired by Obi Wan, who also got into trouble at times, adds so much depth to the two characters and their relationship. It even makes Alec Guiness' sadness in eppisode 1 far more relatable/understandsble.
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The actress is 48yrs old. It's not that old... and there are plenty of dancers who still can do that. Plus it may have been shot in one take for a couple of mins, it's just a few seconds of sliced clip each time.
Also; you don't know what was in those shots she kept chugging. Could be industrial strength vodka red bull for all we know lol
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I'm more than willing to give the series a go, but some of the series have been so weak - I liked Ahsoka but it was a weak plot and thin - Filoni had about enough material for, maybe, 2-3 episodes (if it had been as tightly scripted and fast-paced as Kenobi) but he stretched it thinly across 8 episodes. It was beautifully shot and the background was amazing but there wasn't enough plot to sustain it. And that is probably the future of Star Wars under Filoni - grandiose tv multiple-series arc's that fail after just one series because they're so weak. Kenobi should have been the template, not the exception - a fast-paced, tightly scripted mini-series that told a complete, longer-length story from beginning to end, then do it again with a different character and a different story.
Apologies for the rant.
I think I'll be getting a cast model of Hera Syndulla and Ahsoka Tano at some point, to push the post back towards LAF guidelines! lol
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This season has been awesome. Probably some of the best Star Wars in a long time. Feels like it’s REALLY building towards what we already know is going to happen in Rogue One and Ep. IV.
Genuine edge-of-the-seat episodes 7-8-9.
Dancing scene stands as one of the worst in Star Wars history, though. lol lol
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I haven't seen the dancing scene yet but, if I were you, I'd search for the 'Star Wars Holiday Special' if you want to really see the worst in Star Wars history.
I suspect, after that, it might not seem quite so bad after all! lol
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Genuine edge-of-the-seat episodes 7-8-9.
9 was pure gold! :-*
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Dancing scene stands as one of the worst in Star Wars history, though. lol lol
Funny how we all have differing opinions, I thought it was a great scene. I can think of plenty of other moments within the breadth of the SW film and TV series history which are far worse in my opinion.
Loving the series so far, the acting is top notch and it very exciting to see how they wind the story up ready for Rogue One.
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Funny how we all have differing opinions, I thought it was a great scene. I can think of plenty of other moments within the breadth of the SW film and TV series history which are far worse in my opinion.
Loving the series so far, the acting is top notch and it very exciting to see how they wind the story up ready for Rogue One.
Agreed - we all look for different things I guess?
The series though is awesome. I read that the budget was ~290million! It really shows in the quality of the production.
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Dancing scene stands as one of the worst in Star Wars history, though. lol lol
The extended cut, just for you ;)
https://youtu.be/y6wLcx7AkRM?si=ujaBoyOMx4eBiQDo
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Agreed - we all look for different things I guess?
The series though is awesome. I read that the budget was ~290million! It really shows in the quality of the production.
An high budget doesn't necessarily mean better quality, since The Acolyte cost $230.1 million, $20 million less than Rogue One, and it had problems. Andor is awesome thanks to the competency of Tony Gilroy.
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The extended cut, just for you ;)
https://youtu.be/y6wLcx7AkRM?si=ujaBoyOMx4eBiQDo
It's better than "The power of manyyy!" lol
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The extended cut, just for you ;)
https://youtu.be/y6wLcx7AkRM?si=ujaBoyOMx4eBiQDo
lol - thanks … I’ll see if I can get you a best of Jar-Jar lol
Tony Gilroy indeed is a standout in the studio.
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The extended cut, just for you ;)
https://youtu.be/y6wLcx7AkRM?si=ujaBoyOMx4eBiQDo
lol
Someone else clearly thought the same thing I did lol
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The extended cut, just for you ;)
https://youtu.be/y6wLcx7AkRM?si=ujaBoyOMx4eBiQDo
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I liked The Acolyte
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I liked The Acolyte
I did, too! It showed the Jedi to be a little darker and not so angelic. I liked that.
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I'm more than willing to give the series a go, but some of the series have been so weak - I liked Ahsoka but it was a weak plot and thin - Filoni had about enough material for, maybe, 2-3 episodes (if it had been as tightly scripted and fast-paced as Kenobi) but he stretched it thinly across 8 episodes. It was beautifully shot and the background was amazing but there wasn't enough plot to sustain it. And that is probably the future of Star Wars under Filoni - grandiose tv multiple-series arc's that fail after just one series because they're so weak. Kenobi should have been the template, not the exception - a fast-paced, tightly scripted mini-series that told a complete, longer-length story from beginning to end, then do it again with a different character and a different story.
Apologies for the rant.
I think I'll be getting a cast model of Hera Syndulla and Ahsoka Tano at some point, to push the post back towards LAF guidelines! lol
See, I liked Ahsoka, as did my partner.
They key is not seeing all starwars as aimed at the same level or audience. In a way it never has been and was always part of George Lucas' plan for it all.
The three original trilogy movies felt very different to one another. New Hope was a proper fairytale in space. It felt light, with some serious undertones, but with humour.
Empire Strikes Back was more or less a straight up war movie with much darker tones. Luke went from finding out he'd kissed his sister romantically to finding out their father was the big bad guy. All on the backdrop of the rebellion getting a pounding and no fairytale ending.
Return of the Jedi was half Empire(first part up until Endor) and part what I call curtain call with all of the main characters turning up to tag team the 'baddies' and take their bow at the end, even those who'd died.
The prequels were aimed at a much younger audience. Ashoka and Mandalorian are the same in target audience really.
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Is it just me or does ANDOR have West End Games star wars in it's DNA?
I played the rpg and the miniatures game way back when and the TV series references quite alot of out the source material including:
The ISB - a WEG creation (I think)
The Tarkin massacre - also in the one of the source books
Fest - Maarva in season 1 mentions this system. That's defo a WEG creation
Imperial army troopers - WEG took the troopers in the AT STs in ROTJ and ran with it.
I'm sure there are more but it's testimony to those creators in how well they captured the military sci-fi aspects of SW and 20+ years later that work gets a new lease on life. Nice!
Can anyone think of any more?
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I liked Ahsoka as well BUT it could have been so much better - it was poorly done and saying that the reason it was slow, meandering, shallow and lacked any character development is that it was aimed at a younger target audience is a very bad excuse. SW Ep IV-VI was, basically, a coming of age series - Luke developing from a naive apprentice to a seasoned jedi, a journey of self-discovery. And, like all of Star Wars, you have the knights and the cowboys - Lucas' genius was to intertwine the classic cowboy film with the mythic knightly quest in a brilliant kind of fusion.
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Is it just me or does ANDOR have West End Games star wars in it's DNA?
I played the rpg and the miniatures game way back when and the TV series references quite alot of out the source material including:
The ISB - a WEG creation (I think)
The Tarkin massacre - also in the one of the source books
Fest - Maarva in season 1 mentions this system. That's defo a WEG creation
Imperial army troopers - WEG took the troopers in the AT STs in ROTJ and ran with it.
I'm sure there are more but it's testimony to those creators in how well they captured the military sci-fi aspects of SW and 20+ years later that work gets a new lease on life. Nice!
Can anyone think of any more?
Actually some of these appeared in stories before WEG then developed them in sourcebooks and scenarios. Certainly the Ghorman massacre appeared in print before it appeared in any WEG publication. WEG were fantastic in trawling through all of the stories and novels then developing those threads into the comprehensive sourcebooks that became a whole new chapter of Star Wars lore.
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Shame Andor is run it's course after season 2 ends.
Grimm
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Shame Andor is run it's course after season 2 ends.
Grimm
I think Andor will be a really good case in point about having a beginning and an end for a serialised content. Many series go on for too long and end up with really odd episodes (musicalised anyone?). I see this more as a serialised movie. There was far too much content to fit into one or two movies, especially with season one as well.
Arguably they could have made two movies with just season two, but this format suits the story telling far better.
That said, what it has highlighted is that there is plenty of space to explore at either bookend of the timeline with Mandalorian/Ashoka at the other.
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I got serious Elf vibes at the start of the wedding scene, only to be rudely interrupted by a Buck Rogers flashback during the formal dance
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQm8MxgCGws
I feel they missed a Twiki vs R2D2 dance-off opportunity there...
Not sure about the rave - I was starting to feel sympathy to the Empire by the end of it
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I got serious Elf vibes at the start of the wedding scene, only to be rudely interrupted by a Buck Rogers flashback during the formal dance
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQm8MxgCGws
I feel they missed a Twiki vs R2D2 dance-off opportunity there...
Not sure about the rave - I was starting to feel sympathy to the Empire by the end of it
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Ep 10-11-12
So good! So, so good o_o
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Finally got around to watching 8 & 9 last night and 10 this morning.
Got to say that Andor is really changing the way I see Rogue One on a second watch, which exactly what a great prequel should do, just like Better Call Saul did for Breaking Bad.
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Actually some of these appeared in stories before WEG then developed them in sourcebooks and scenarios. Certainly the Ghorman massacre appeared in print before it appeared in any WEG publication. WEG were fantastic in trawling through all of the stories and novels then developing those threads into the comprehensive sourcebooks that became a whole new chapter of Star Wars lore.
On a Reddit forum, someone mentioned remembering that the first time they came across the name Ghorman was back in 1993 or 1994 when playing the original PC X-Wing game. Back in those days the copy protection required entering the correct password from the manual to play. Most of those passwords were Star Wars planets, and Ghorman wasn’t just a name, it was the setting for at least one of the game’s missions.
Apparently, the game’s strategy guide even mentioned that Bail Organa followed Mon Mothma’s lead in openly rebelling against the Empire after the Ghorman massacre. So even before the prequels, there was this was pivotal political event that showcased the Empire’s cruelty.
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I think all of us sometimes forget just how much Star Wars lore has been built up over the years; in novels, computer games and rpg's. That's why it's great to see the later shows referencing all that lore - it gives depth and history to the Star Wars galaxy.
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I had a letter in SFX published once pointing out that one of the planets on the official galactic map was called Neelgaimon (or something similarly mispelt but pronounced the same)... bet that's being retconned now... (EDIT ah it's Legends so yep)
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Ha the lead ISB commando was in phoneshop on channel 4.
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Just finished watching Andor ep. 12 last night, and rewatching Rogue One this morning.
I've got to say I'm very impressed by the way the end of Andor seamlessly blends into Rogue one.
Chapeau.
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Having finished the series last night, I can only comment that it was just great 8)
The thing to ask now is: when guiding a noob through the movies and series, what will be show first? Andor, or Rogue One?
I once made the mistake of watching episodes 1 through 6 in episode order, as opposed to by date of release, with my nephew. He loved the first three, but ep 4 to 6 were too slow and dull for him (granted; he was only 8 years old at the time). But Andor and Rogue One practically beg to be viewed that way now ::)
And Rogue one almost seamlessly merges into A New Hope, so there's that too...
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Yeah awesome!
Loved that last 3 episode arc and both seasons overalll. What I really liked about this offering was that it made the universe feel bigger and it enhances the original trilogy.
It made Yavin base feel more important to the story. The empire discovering Yavin in ANH would have been a serious blow to the rebels; rather than just another rebel base.
Not the ending I was expecting for Luthen but totally cool.
I would have loved to see more of this series but I respect that they called it a day at the end of this season. Don't overstay your welcome :)
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And there was I thinking that Rogue One was the "more of this series". lol
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I hope we get more of Kleia
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...What I really liked about this offering was that it made the universe feel bigger and it enhances the original trilogy...
Exactly that. As much as I love Lucas' vision, he had a tendency to make the SW universe feel so claustrophobic and stuffy; everything had to to with everything, especially with the prequels. I've always found Robo Chicken's spoof of the iconic 'I am your father' scene acutely exposed this, when Vader then says: 'Oh, and I built C3PO', after which Luke storms off stating 'If you're not taking this seriously, neither am I!' lol
Rogue One, and then Andor, really tore open the curtain again and gave us exotic and diverse locations and then left them again without filling in every single blank. It was like reading the whole X-Wing series of books again 8)
I hope we get more of Kleia
And yes; she was formidable! :)
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Hmm, yeah - not sure of that. Sure the films do seem a bit claustrophobic and self-contained but, in the grand sweep.of the Star Wars galaxy, the whole of the Skywalker saga was largely ignored and irrelevant. Sure the main events of the Civil War and the Rebellion may have affected some people but the Jedi are myths - they interacted with so few people across the galaxy that not many were aware of their existence and virtually no-one would recognise the name 'Skywalker' in most of the galaxy.
So - claustrophobic? Probably not but only if you step back a little and look at the bigger picture - Andor, Mando, the Clone Wars and all the other series' are just tiny areas of a massive tapestry that we look at just one bit at a time. It's all good fun and, y'know all of those impossible coincidences and interconnected storylines? Let you in on a secret - it's all down to the Force, yup - it's an absolute so-and-so for screwing things up like that - get more than a couple of force users together and the whole thing gets weird! lol lol lol
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Well, that was awesome!
I think claustrophobic might fit in a sense. Though one has to remember that whilst there is only force mention in Rogue One and Andor, it is still essentially part of the Skywalker saga in that it is just building towards Luke's first adventure. The story all grew backwards from that. It's more scaffolding than anything else. What it has done, superbly, even if riffing off of real history, is show us what life looks like for people of different planets under the growing might of the Empire. They no longer have an edge of 2d storybook villains due to lack of backstory, sure, destroying a planet full of people is nasty, but faking insurrection to excuse genocide... I love how key figures are portrayed there too, conflicted, lied to and being neck deep before they realise that they have been part of the "play" and it's too late to grab any moral high ground.
My main criticism of Disney at this point is that they appear to base things off box office sales. If they are going to do that, they need to leave a longer gap between the end of screenings at cinemas and the movie appearing on streaming platforms.
Back on topic though, just how good Andor was/is is a challenge for Disney. The unisverse is so rich and, in our terms, now so old, that they have evidenced that they are needing to cater for different audiences. I think it's the same challenge that Marvell has had.
How do you satiate the hunger for content for multiple types of audiences? On the one hand, and this started with George Lucas, you have the younger audiences, say, the under 12's. Purely them at this point. Then you have the family orientated stuff that you also want the parents to be entertained enough by to watch with their kids. Then you have the teen/young adult, and then you have stuff like Andor, which is far grittier and deeper and certainly for a more mature audience.
I think up until Rogue One and Andor, they hadn't really got the last one ticked off. Now they have, and it's seemingly "done", I feel they do need to find another story to tell in this way. It's going to leave difficult footsteps to follow, but it's been the best for so many reasons.
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I feel they do need to find another story to tell in this way. It's going to leave difficult footsteps to follow, but it's been the best for so many reasons.
A new "Andor"-style story with some new characters (for obvious reasons) can pickup immediately after the events of the original film...
{OPENING SCENE}
They've just had the celebration after destroying the Death Star... Chewwy is mumbling something about not getting a medal... and then the Imperial fleet jumps into orbit around Yavin and starts bombarding the rebel base... I mean seriously, they just destroyed the Death Star, but didn't think they needed to leave their base ?!?!?
A gritty "war story" covering the events between "A New Hope" and "Empire Strikes Back" would be excellent...and then repeat the exercise from the standpoint of another group to fill in the gap between "Empire" & ROTJ. Focus mainly upon more average Joes... but then intersperse with scenes from the Rebel leadership and the Imperials to give that depth... would love to see Palpatine's rage when he hears the news that the Death Star was been destroyed.
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A new "Andor"-style story with some new characters (for obvious reasons) can pickup immediately after the events of the original film...
{OPENING SCENE}
They've just had the celebration after destroying the Death Star... Chewwy is mumbling something about not getting a medal... and then the Imperial fleet jumps into orbit around Yavin and starts bombarding the rebel base... I mean seriously, they just destroyed the Death Star, but didn't think they needed to leave their base ?!?!?
A gritty "war story" covering the events between "A New Hope" and "Empire Strikes Back" would be excellent...and then repeat the exercise from the standpoint of another group to fill in the gap between "Empire" & ROTJ. Focus mainly upon more average Joes... but then intersperse with scenes from the Rebel leadership and the Imperials to give that depth... would love to see Palpatine's rage when he hears the news that the Death Star was been destroyed.
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Yes, and I guess you do still have some characters that can continue as you have Bix with presumably their son, Wilmon, Kleya and then the likes of Mon, Bail and Dravitz.
More than anything I like seeing more of how the Empire's slow and subtle manipulation turns into complete dominance and control. I think what the likes of Andor, Mandalorian, Ashoka and even Book of Fett do well is show how the 'core worlds' might be in the thick of it but that the further reaches are impacted differently.
I love that we have gotten to see worlds that specialise in farming etc.
There is so much more yet to explore if they want to. We have a whole generation of force users/sensitives raised to hide in the shadows as a result of the Clone Wars.
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I quite like the idea of a washed up jedi / force user who's given up, starting to care again and going on a kind of Quantum Leap / Shane / Almost an Angel type wandering journey, doing acts of good that help the 'little guy'.
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I quite like the idea of a washed up jedi / force user who's given up, starting to care again and going on a kind of Quantum Leap / Shane / Almost an Angel type wandering journey, doing acts of good that help the 'little guy'.
Well we've had the Mandolorian's wandering journey doing acts of, well, goodish and discovering there is more to the universe (and being a Mandolorian) than what the Deathwatch taught him. You've got to be careful with Jedi - what with the Skywalker saga, Kenobi and the Clone Wars series, we've seen a LOT of the jedi - there's little left to be explored there, I feel. Ahsoka series 2 looks like it might be filming next year so we'll likely see more live action Nightsister Witches on Dathomir again, which might be interesting. I'd really, really like to see the Quinlan Vos/Asajj Ventress story arc done as a live action series, or even a well done animation (just not as a kiddies cartoon) series - that would be rather good.
Just no more Star Wars/Goonies mash-ups, for goodness' sake!
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I quite like the idea of a washed up jedi / force user who's given up, starting to care again and going on a kind of Quantum Leap / Shane / Almost an Angel type wandering journey, doing acts of good that help the 'little guy'.
Almost sounds like the Fugitive meets the Littlelist Hobo... lol
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Well we've had the Mandolorian's wandering journey doing acts of, well, goodish and discovering there is more to the universe (and being a Mandolorian) than what the Deathwatch taught him. You've got to be careful with Jedi - what with the Skywalker saga, Kenobi and the Clone Wars series, we've seen a LOT of the jedi - there's little left to be explored there, I feel. Ahsoka series 2 looks like it might be filming next year so we'll likely see more live action Nightsister Witches on Dathomir again, which might be interesting. I'd really, really like to see the Quinlan Vos/Asajj Ventress story arc done as a live action series, or even a well done animation (just not as a kiddies cartoon) series - that would be rather good.
Just no more Star Wars/Goonies mash-ups, for goodness' sake!
The thing with Ashoka is that she's not technically a Jedi. I think there is plenty of the 'force' still to be explored. How many other non-aligned force users are out there?
How many force sensitive people are there out there?
Are there any other force using factions? Baylon Skoll was a good example of a Jedi that had turned bad, but not necessarily straight forward dark side.
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How many force sensitive people are there out there?
I assume not too many or else why did Ahsoka take on Sabine Wren as an apprentice; they made it pretty clear in the show that she had next to no force ability. The lightsabre droid (can't remember its name) said she had the least ability he'd ever seen in an apprentice. I must admit her apprenticeship felt forced to me and more about fan service.
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I assume not too many or else why did Ahsoka take on Sabine Wren as an apprentice; they made it pretty clear in the show that she had next to no force ability. The lightsabre droid (can't remember its name) said she had the least ability he'd ever seen in an apprentice. I must admit her apprenticeship felt forced to me and more about fan service.
Ability has nothing to do with potential though. It's also worth noting Huyang(droid), is used to times when Jedi didn't have to be so hidden and had the likes of Yoda to train, and more often than not, from younglings. Wren is not a youngling.
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The thing with Ashoka is that she's not technically a Jedi. I think there is plenty of the 'force' still to be explored. How many other non-aligned force users are out there?
How many force sensitive people are there out there?
Are there any other force using factions? Baylon Skoll was a good example of a Jedi that had turned bad, but not necessarily straight forward dark side.
Rory McCann should be taking over playing Baylen Skoll in season 2 - such a great actor.
Ahsoka is/is not a Jedi is an argument that could go round and round in circles; my take is that she left the Jedi temple but not the Jedi path - Anakin's force spirit states that he will 'complete her training' in series 1, not something he'd do if she was no longer a Jedi.
As to Sabine Wren - I think they're building up to a huge catharsis moment when she realises that she is mentally stopping herself from using the force for some reason, then cue big stressful breakthrough, followed by her using force abilities, yadda, yadda. lol I'm probably wrong though (hopefully).
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How many force sensitive people are there out there?
Are there any other force using factions?
"The power of one...the power of two...the POWER OF MANY-YEEEEEEE"
{Shudders}
No there aren't any other force users out there... after the genocidal war crimes committed by the Jedi and their army of child soldiers to rub out any opposition and then the restorative justice handed out by duly appointed representatives of the Republic under Order 66...
...other than of course the Mortis Gods (Father, Son, Daughter plus Abeloth)... the Bendu... about 40,000 Nightsisters soon to be woken from cryo... and a seemingly unlimited supply of fallen jedi / jedi that survived Order 66... plus darksiders (as the "Rule of Two" only applied to Sith apparently and so conveniently allows for dark side assassins such as Ventress, and the Inquisitors (surely they must be onto cousins by now...they must be running out of brothers & sisters)?
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just saw on FB that K2 and Chopper would have been at Yavin around the same time, probably committing comedy war crimes....
I demand at least a Christmas special.
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Well Chopper did make a cameo in Rogue One, so we know he was there.
(https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Star-Wars-Rebels-Chopper-in-Rogue-One.jpg)
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yep, I need mischief and murder and mirth
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No. *punch*
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Saw this and laughed.
“State of the Star Wars franchise”
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Yeah that'd be about right and far better than an image of jar-jar using filoni as a hand puppet! :o
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Yeah that'd be about right and far better than an image of jar-jar using filoni as a hand puppet! :o
lol
I sent the pic to a buddy who wanted to know where Jar-Jar was - now I know, stuck with Filoni! lol
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Finally watched the last episode last night, so I can finally catch up with this thread ;D
Really enjoyed it, although everbody seemed broken by the end of it. Going to watch Rogue One again tonight, so it'll be interesting to see how many cameos there were. There was a scene where they were asking who belonged to which weapon and some guy popped his head out from the crowd. I assume this was a "clever thing", but I've no idea who the guy was. Hopefully it will make sense tonight lol
As to Sabine Wren - I think they're building up to a huge catharsis moment when she realises that she is mentally stopping herself from using the force for some reason, then cue big stressful breakthrough, followed by her using force abilities, yadda, yadda. lol I'm probably wrong though (hopefully).
It's been a bit since I watched Ahsoka, but I thought Sabine did have her force awakening moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX84jCq1U1Y
The Ghost was at the battle of Scarif
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YKaZIOAPuD8/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Good spot on Ghost - hadn't seen that.
Yes - the gun links Cassian Andor to Mon Mothma's sister and the guy sticking his hand up.
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Finally watched the last episode last night, so I can finally catch up with this thread ;D
Really enjoyed it, although everbody seemed broken by the end of it. Going to watch Rogue One again tonight, so it'll be interesting to see how many cameos there were. There was a scene where they were asking who belonged to which weapon and some guy popped his head out from the crowd. I assume this was a "clever thing", but I've no idea who the guy was. Hopefully it will make sense tonight lol
It's been a bit since I watched Ahsoka, but I thought Sabine did have her force awakening moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX84jCq1U1Y
The Ghost was at the battle of Scarif
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YKaZIOAPuD8/maxresdefault.jpg)
If I recall correctly, he is the guy Andor escapes Narikna (if I spelled that correctly) Five with.
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You do.
He is.
You did. (Whups, actually you didn't - Narkina 5, but you were very, very close!).
lol lol
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Yes, Melshi, he escaped the prison with Andor and was one if the rebel commandos on Scarif in Rogue One.
And I'm sure there is an announcement on the tannoy at the rebel base calling for Commander Syndulla, so it makes sense the Ghost would be there.
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"The power of one...the power of two...the POWER OF MANY-YEEEEEEE"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFEFjy44f4A
Sorry, couldn't resist :P
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Yes, Melshi, he escaped the prison with Andor and was one if the rebel commandos on Scarif in Rogue One.
And I'm sure there is an announcement on the tannoy at the rebel base calling for Commander Syndulla, so it makes sense the Ghost would be there.
I got the reference to Hera Syndulla being on Yavin, just hadn't noticed the ship at Scarif after that.