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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: painterman on March 19, 2025, 05:02:58 PM
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Finally based up a unit of pike-armed Peasants, ready to take on the Swabian League.
Figures are Steel Fist Miniatures (hand raised that this is my hobby-business!), with some headswops I did and Chris Meacham then painted for me.
Simon.
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That's a splendid looking unit of big pointy sticks.
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Amazing looking unit!
I have plans on ordering some of these peasants for myself, since the range is absolutely beautiful. That moment, when models are so good, so you want to start a new project with almost zero knowledge on the period!
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Very nice unit of pikemen. ;)
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Superb unit.
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They look great!
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couple more - thats my lot towards a demo game at WMMS show on 30 March - please pop over if you're around.
Simon
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Marvellous additions.
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Awesome colourful project!
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What a beautiful scene!!! ;)
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Wow :-*
G?tz von Berlichingen and Georg Metzler ?
"Vor ihro Kaiserliche Majestet hab ich, wie immer Respekt. Er aber , sags ihm, er kann mich im Arsche lecken"
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Gorgeous painting, totally true to the spirit of the period. If I have a "quibble," it is with arming the peasants with pikes. I have seen no reference to, or pictorial representation of pike-armed peasants in the Bundschuh movement and Peasants War. (Pikes would have equipped professionals, i.e. Landsknechts). The normal peasant armament would have been agricultural implements turned to martial use (scythes, wood axes, flails, hedging bills, pitchforks, etc.); as well as boar spears, eel spears, light hunting crossbows, and; polearms such as halberds, ahlspiess, morgenstern, spears, ranseurs etc. As time went on, the peasants captured and used handgonnes and heavier crossbows.
Pikes are more than just very long spears - they are quite heavy, unbalanced and unwieldy. (I actually handled one briefly at colonial Jamestown, Virginia, where visitors are invited to join "militia training"). Furthermore, a pike on its own is useless; to be effective they must be deployed by men in multiple ranks and files (each Swiss pike square was 100 men, 10 wide by 10 deep, and squares could be employed behind each other as well as to each side; Landsknecht formations could be 40 - 60 men deep). The pikemen must wield their pikes in unison, adopting the various positions simultaneously as ordered. Failure to do so will disorder the formation (which could be fatal to the unit). Someone who hasn't extensively trained with the pike and in formation is apt to knock into his fellows while going from one position to another, thereby disordering the formation. Unless trained and drilled, pikemen are a greater threat to their fellows than foes.
There were some 16th century forces that learned to use pikes. As an example, during the Nine Years War (1594 - 1603) Tyrone's Irish Rebellion had some native pikes in the latter phase. Never enough (or heavily enough equipped, lacking any armor) to stand up to Elizabethan English pikes, these Irish pikemen were sufficient often to keep English cavalry from charging the Irish calivermen. These pike, were however, trained and drilled by Spanish veterans who had been sent to Ireland as military advisors and trainers.
A less successful example is the Scot's first use of pikes - supplied by their French allies - at the battle of Flodden (1513). The Scots had been using long spears in their schiltron formation and were supplied with 5 1/2 meter pikes shortly before the battle. However, this new weapon required training and discipline, which the Scots didn't have prior to going into action with them for the first time. Advancing over soggy ground, the advancing Scottish pike formations lost the necessary cohesion and momentum, and finding themselves encumbered by the pikes the Scots dropped them and drew their side weapons (swords, dirks) and were subsequently cut down by English bill-armed infantry (more nimble than the pike, and longer than the sword).
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Wei?enauer chronik (Jakob Murer) could help.
The farmers have to spend a couple days of military service every year. That makes no experts for war . The problem was to get the field weapons . lootering castles etc where not enough to fit a army with 5000-12000 men .Many knights at that time where poor to. That ends in the "Ritteraufstand 1522/1523 and Fr?nkischer Krieg" at the same time.
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Wonderful miniatures and painting work. I want them all, now! lol lol lol
On the other hand, in XVI Century Reenacment shows I have seen "Pike Training" and after one hour or so they were able to battle with another non-professional pike block. It was not martial, of course, but they fought in a pikemen formation... at least.
The secret is in the Drill Sarge.
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Lovely :-*
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Gorgeous painting, totally true to the spirit of the period. If I have a "quibble," it is with arming the peasants with pikes. I have seen no reference to, or pictorial representation of pike-armed peasants in the Bundschuh movement and Peasants War. (Pikes would have equipped professionals, i.e. Landsknechts). The normal peasant armament would have been agricultural implements turned to martial use (scythes, wood axes, flails, hedging bills, pitchforks, etc.); as well as boar spears, eel spears, light hunting crossbows, and; polearms such as halberds, ahlspiess, morgenstern, spears, ranseurs etc. As time went on, the peasants captured and used handgonnes and heavier crossbows.
Pikes are more than just very long spears - they are quite heavy, unbalanced and unwieldy. (I actually handled one briefly at colonial Jamestown, Virginia, where visitors are invited to join "militia training"). Furthermore, a pike on its own is useless; to be effective they must be deployed by men in multiple ranks and files (each Swiss pike square was 100 men, 10 wide by 10 deep, and squares could be employed behind each other as well as to each side; Landsknecht formations could be 40 - 60 men deep). The pikemen must wield their pikes in unison, adopting the various positions simultaneously as ordered. Failure to do so will disorder the formation (which could be fatal to the unit). Someone who hasn't extensively trained with the pike and in formation is apt to knock into his fellows while going from one position to another, thereby disordering the formation. Unless trained and drilled, pikemen are a greater threat to their fellows than foes.
There were some 16th century forces that learned to use pikes. As an example, during the Nine Years War (1594 - 1603) Tyrone's Irish Rebellion had some native pikes in the latter phase. Never enough (or heavily enough equipped, lacking any armor) to stand up to Elizabethan English pikes, these Irish pikemen were sufficient often to keep English cavalry from charging the Irish calivermen. These pike, were however, trained and drilled by Spanish veterans who had been sent to Ireland as military advisors and trainers.
A less successful example is the Scot's first use of pikes - supplied by their French allies - at the battle of Flodden (1513). The Scots had been using long spears in their schiltron formation and were supplied with 5 1/2 meter pikes shortly before the battle. However, this new weapon required training and discipline, which the Scots didn't have prior to going into action with them for the first time. Advancing over soggy ground, the advancing Scottish pike formations lost the necessary cohesion and momentum, and finding themselves encumbered by the pikes the Scots dropped them and drew their side weapons (swords, dirks) and were subsequently cut down by English bill-armed infantry (more nimble than the pike, and longer than the sword).
Hi - I tend to agree with you on the Peasants not using pikes.
I've not seen any references, but...I wanted to add them in my army for a little variation and to give them a slim chance v Cavalry.
All the rest of the revolting chaps will be armed with farming implementita.
All the best,
Simon
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For the force of Thomas M?nzer where pikes (Spie?e) OK . The Bergknappen(miners) use them. they had the right to fight and training with it .
Spending the half night for more information.....it looks like that in all forces are miners present. They had the right to use pikes,halberts and short sabers.
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Superb!
Christopher
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is that standard a shoe?
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is that standard a shoe?
Yes, a 'bundschuh' - symbol of the lower classes uprisings in many european scenarios.
Another unit added; for a game at WMMS show tomorrow. Painting by Chris Meacham.
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Oh, I really like those pastel / desaturated colours. Very life-like and a good match for historicals!
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Love the paint jobs, nice figs. Sure most peasants would not know how to use pikes but why not have at least some, to give them a little bit of a chance when the Holy League attacks.
I do this war (such as it was) using the WoFun figures, they have a range specific to this war wouldn't you know it. Saved me all that painting.
One bit of warning though for those thinking of gaming this conflict - the actual battles were usually terribly one sided, more massacres of the peasantry than pitched battles. Of course slanting victory conditions might allow the peasants to squeak by with an occasional win I guess.
We have fought 3 games of this using To the Strongest rules and all three were big wins for the Holy League. It was still fun but certainly not balanced.