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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Topic started by: fairoaks024 on 10 December 2009, 01:31:17 PM
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http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/2009/09/02/sci-fi-greatcoat-infantry-prototype-discussion/
they've done him as supossedly sci-fi but he looks very pulpy to me.
regards
jim
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Thats probably their best yet, I like it (even if it is plastic ;D)
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I'm glad I never fell for the Forgeworld Krieg, although it was only the pricing (and resin casts) that stopped me...
Rudi
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Heck... Those would look great in my AE:WW2 weird war games!
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Uh... what's with the arm?
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Maybe everything is A-OK ;)
Not too sure about the back pack but it's not really a problem with so many out there.
cheers
James
*edited for awful spelling*
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Very nice looking. I may end up picking up a pack, however I did find the zombie pack a huge hassel to assemble. I'd want to the see the sprues first, to see if they had the same issues.
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Very nice, could be the beginning of many WWW2 armies...
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Uh... what's with the arm?
He is hitchhiking across the galaxy. His towel is in his backpack.
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have they released them yet?
this is the neverending discussion about the greatcoats GW lookalikes, that will be dumped as soon as GW brings out their own
if GW does not sue them before - I mean, they look almost identical in design
if they don't use the sprue space to make head and weapon choices....
and the rebreather gear on the chest has to be separate...
is it so damn hard to make a set of double breasted greatcoats with separate arms and leg positions and additional gear to glue on? it is even easier to cast them in pieces ??
a greatcoat is a greatcoat and has been so for 200 years by now - IMHO it is pathetic
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Whilst improving (a little) still look pretty awful and will not touch with a barge pole.
Sorry
The Commander
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While checking on the progress of the Sci-Fi troopers, I found a couple other sets that may be on the horizon.
WWII German Rifle Team, late war
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/BookingRetrieve.aspx?ID=36626 (http://www.wargamesfactory.com/BookingRetrieve.aspx?ID=36626)
WWII German MG42 Team, late war
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/BookingRetrieve.aspx?ID=38617 (http://www.wargamesfactory.com/BookingRetrieve.aspx?ID=38617)
I'm hoping that like the Zombie set, these run on the smaller side of 28mm.
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I confess I was optimistic about this idea when the whole saga began last year. I've lost interest since the gun designs went from the simplicity of the rifle in the OP link to absolutely nuts, and the latest head designs put me off too.
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I'm likely not to use any of the newer heads they've put together. The older ones do look much better. I assume the kit is going to come with several head and weapon options, if it turns out they are not using the earlier ones my intrest will likely wane.
The plastic WWII Germans do make me rather excited. They would be much easier to zombify than a traditional metal figure.
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I can't find anywhere that has images of new heads or anything.
Link please? This project seems to be taking forever, and to be too open to public debate! The forum available through the WGF website is bonkers! People seem upset that they are unoriginal and cliched. I rather thought that was the point of value generic plastics! I just want them to get on with it before I also loose interest.
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Here you go.
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/01/30/33198
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I was originally planning on using Imperial Guard figures for my Space Reich force, but these look much better. I'd like to mix and match these figures with the Late War Germans the have in the works(in theory). It would make a smashing weird World War 2 army.
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No, sir. I don't like them. They look like cheap ripoffs of the Artizan Sturmbattalion Zahn Riflemen.
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No, sir. I don't like them. They look like cheap ripoffs of the Artizan Sturmbattalion Zahn Riflemen.
I concur sir!
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Adding to my comment from last night (too tired then to expand on the thought), I don't like the design as it looks like a ripoff of the Artizan Designs figs. I don't like the plastic that WGF uses (the zombies are a straight PITA to assemble because of it). I prefer the feel of metal to plastic, and I think the Artizan Designs minis are better value.
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Preview of the Greatcoat Troopers on Beasts of War. I'm liking that the standard guns appear to be attatched to the arm, one less thing for me to glue on. Despite this is a prototype, it still looks fantastic. I'm looking forward to putting together a force of Weltraumgestützt Waffen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndC8nD6ymAw&feature=player_embedded
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'd buy some but I'm scared Vader would come looking for his helmet (oh er)
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Well he'd have to get through the Waffen first, pretty sure they have first dibs. lol
'd buy some but I'm scared Vader would come looking for his helmet (oh er)
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Well he'd have to get through the Waffen first, pretty sure they have first dibs. lol
That's a fight I'd like to see, depending on numbers I'd back Vader (if lightsabers can stop bullets, which I guess they can)
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the sculpt is not bad, but did it have to be coalscuttle....
well, if there are head options, why not
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The coat billowing out the front looks... interesting.
I'd like to see the real thing before I start buying any.
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A bit of threat necromancy, but Beast of War have a new video review of these guys. This time the actual sprue rather than a 3d print.
link (http://'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McSCM9GkQsU&playnext_from=TL&videos=GVmQMMBjA9A
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I like then, and they are about half the price of GW cadians, so I guess they met their target there.
For me they reminded me of the whole starwars alternative thing that pops up every now and then, in white and black these guys could do very well in all sorts of time and theme settings.
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I noticed that they have three bodies a sprue and about thirteen sets of arms and heads . With a little bit of juggling they could have had four bodies which leaves me wondering if this was deliberate to sell more sets ???
I have a stack of Valhallens unpainted which I still prefer over these.
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Ripoff is no problem to me, the horrible gun is. If the gun is remove-friendly I could get some.
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I noticed that they have three bodies a sprue and about thirteen sets of arms and heads . With a little bit of juggling they could have had four bodies which leaves me wondering if this was deliberate to sell more sets ???
I think their goal was to have a selection of heads that will allow a variety of choices but still permit to build "complete unit" of the same model.
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It has also to do with their design limitations, they can’t shell out as much for mould making as the larger companies, so they had to settle for a small sprue. They had set the requirements for a launcher a flamer and multiple laser/plasma weapons. As well as extra heads. If you put all of that in a single sprue you end up with this. I agree that perhaps a two sprue work, bodies on one and arms on the other, selling them to your own mix so that you will always have enough weapons of the type you want would have worked. But it would have cost a lot more to start with for them.
In any case at the price they are I am very tempted to pick them up for whatever they will end up serving as. Goes on the list of to buy once money is available.
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I'm quite happy with what I've seen, and am planning on picking up a box or two. Their dark ages and Zulus just became quite attractive as well, $19.99 for 32 miniatures is quite a deal. The former are likely going to be used for some historical fantasy gaming, while the latter will become Barbary cannibals.
That been said some of their stuff does look a bit dodgy...... I wasn't too happy with the Zombie Sprue, the figures were very hard to put together properly, and the faces lack the detail I find on metal zombie miniatures. I was considering doing some head-swaps, but due to their size that wasn't feasible. I'd like to snag some of the British from the Zulu wars line, but the figures don't look quite right. It would be nice if they sold single sample sprues, so I could see for myself before committing to a box set.
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I don't like the plastic that WGF uses (the zombies are a straight PITA to assemble because of it).
I grabbed some of their Zombies and used them, with parts from Darkson's AE-WWII Emaciated Troopers, to create some more Zombies for my Weird WWII games. I didn't really notice any issues with the plastic they used.
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Their vikings are decent too.
My problem w/ WGF is as they are starting out (and admirably trying to keep costs low for consumers), there is not a whole lot of selection.
For example, I bought 80 vikings a while back. I've made due but having small viking war bands duke it out w/ each other.
Then they announced they were releasing Saxons! Awesome but they were using the same torsos and arms. Maybe I'm being unrealistic but I wanted a little more variety.
So what will the opponents of said Sci-Fi Troopers look like? Or are you expected to have them battle with armies from other miniature compaines.
They still look good tho.
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The background they're developing (as I understand it anyway) is pitting the gas-masked government 'Shock Troopers' against hordes of zombies in a post-apocalyptic, tunnel-clearance/area cleansing kinda scenario.
There are supposed to be some un-infected survivors who are either scavengers or zombie-hunters (or both), but my understanding is they've been delayed while they concentrate on getting the 'great-coat sci-fi troopers' out.
There was also talk of putting different helmet-types on the sprue, so that you can make up sprues as different factions that can fight each other. Don't know if that came off though, I lost interest after a while.
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There was also talk of putting different helmet-types on the sprue, so that you can make up sprues as different factions that can fight each other. Don't know if that came off though, I lost interest after a while.
That's essentially what they did for the Saxons, different heads and shields....gets boring after a while
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Well, I like these, and I'll probably use them as Scutarii for the small force of Adeptus Mechanicus I'm going to make for some 40k skirmishing. (I think Scutarii was the term for the 'IG' support of the Titan Legions? - and yes, I know it's a term for some ancient troop type).
They'll serve double purpose for this and Pulp/WWWII
As for the likeness to the Artizan ones: I'll probably get those too, and use them together, so to me it's rather an advantage.
There you have it - every man his cake ;)
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The sprue has 3 different kinds of heads on it, more actually, but 3x3 so that you can equip the entire squad with them; Darth vader style, flat face plate and big eyed mutant style.
And if your planning on doing a vs game with both sides consisting of these guys you would have enough of the laser weapons to equip one side with those and the other with the assault rifle things.
I agree that WGF has had multiple failures or flaws in the past, and I think they should have started with units like these troops. They offer more leniency then historical models. And the gamers who are interested in them are more lenient as well when it comes to it.
As a side note I wonder how these will combine with SOTTR loose heads.
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As a side note I wonder how these will combine with SOTTR loose heads.
I dont know about the regular stuff but I do know that the SOtTR zombie heads are too big for the WF zombies.
I am reasonably flexible with a little scale "stretching" in the case of zombies (I dont mind that much if they sometimes look like they are actors in large prosthetics, like the Deadites from the Evil Dead movies or similar) but the SOtTR heads are just too big for the small WF zeds.
It will be interesting to see how large or small the greatcoats are.
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Well, I like these, and I'll probably use them as Scutarii for the small force of Adeptus Mechanicus I'm going to make for some 40k skirmishing. (I think Scutarii was the term for the 'IG' support of the Titan Legions? - and yes, I know it's a term for some ancient troop type).
Skitarii, yes. They'd be a great choice for them.
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Pictures:
http://wargamesfactory.com/AnnouncementRetrieve.aspx?ID=32119
Rifle is growing on me; its not really removable so I guess I'll have to suck it up.
I thought these were also meant as a cheap alterny to Death Korps of Krieg IG.
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Sprues!!!! :o
I like that the guns are attached to the arms. The GW plastic kits with the separate guns always frustrated me, be they Space Marines or Imperial Guard. I like the look of the rifles, they have a strong SF element, but give my figures are going to be an Iron Sky force that's not a issue. The detailing on the heads is fantastic. I'm going to be exclusively be using the coal scuttle with gasmask, so I'll have some lovely bits left over.
Conversion wise, I'm hoping the WWII Germans in the works are built along the same way and scale. I'd love to combine the two plastic kits to make some very Weird WWII baddies. Kicking around somewhere I've got some Secrets of the Third Reich heads, they worked for the Cadian conversions, I'm sure they should work for the Shock Troopers.
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Sprues!!!! :o
I think that those look quite nice and they are useful in a variety of roles.
The bullpup configuration on the rifle always helps with a sci-fi feel to me for some reason. The only part of the sprue that I have concerns about is the bare faced, bare head: it looks a little "mushy", not unlike the heads from the zombie sprues. The rest of it looks great I think. Assuming that the figures arent too far on the small side then they will be a great resource.
I hope that WF do well with these. Regardless of the execution so far I really think that there is room for eclectic and cheap sprues like those that they are producing/ planning to produce. Good luck to them.
Skitarii, yes. They'd be a great choice for them.
Definitely good for Skitarii (which were called "Praetorians" when first mentioned in Codex Titanicus circa 1990 trivia fans).
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I don’t know why, but I’m hoping to find some wide brim helmeted heads for these guys. Probably would buy a pack or two of them, find a suitable opponent force and write a little savage worlds showdown scenario for them.
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I don’t know why, but I’m hoping to find some wide brim helmeted heads for these guys.
Something like the heads on these?
(http://www.princeaugust.ie/ebay/warzone/warzone_soldier4.jpg)
I have a load of those sitting around if you want them (the heads that is). Those figures are just a tiny bit smaller than most 28mms so the heads should be a good match with the WF Shock Troops.
PM me if you are interested in a few :)
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Yea that’s exactly the look I am talking about.
I would be interested, but I have no idea how soon I will get around to ordering those troopers themselves, so it guess it would be smarter to start bothering you once I get around to that.
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I would be interested, but I have no idea how soon I will get around to ordering those troopers themselves, so it guess it would be smarter to start bothering you once I get around to that.
Whenever. Let me know :)
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I keep thinking these would actually look quite striking with Westwind pickelhaube gas mask heads. As far as weapons go they're decent- I like the bullpup assault rifle and the other two more traditional looking guns. The weapon that seems to double back under the shooter's hand doesn't do it for me and the flame thrower and grenade launcher just look daft with their grips on top. IIRC there were a few crazier suggestions on the WF forum and I'm glad they didn't go with them in the end.
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Some painted examples of Shock Troopers. They look very nice. Looking forward to putting together a unit or two of them.
Brown Black Color Scheme. I like the look of the Armor, not sure if the 'coats' match up all that well.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs342.ash1/29277_392955586058_334302786058_4588514_1447908_n.jpg)
They've got some more single pics of the Troopers on their site in various styles.
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Believe me - I already have 5-6 colour schemes in mind... These will be numerous on my games table for many purposes.
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Ha! I'm just going with the one color scheme. :D
(http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/all_images/Paints/GPS01.jpg)
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That's but one possiblility - and on my list ;)
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Yea, once I have a few of them im sure I will need to paint at least one in stormtroopers white and black.
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The unfortunate thing for me is that the combination of armour on the upper body and the greatcoat makes it look like they are wearing dresses.
Doesn't really work for me. They look too girly. Okay if you want them to be Futuristic Greek Evzones or something, I suppose.
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I agree
I fear that is always the problem if you combine greatcoats with body armour. I've seen some vonversions that look the same. I guess this is the reason why FW used the french greatcoat style.
In this case, it is also the sculpt - the cloth looks very thin and has too many folds for a greatcoat. that's why they look skirted.
Hmm, someone makes WWII fezzes on extra heads - this could be an idea.
Maybe it also depends on the paint scheme. But I don't finf this all too problematic. What really pisses me off is the unalterted coalsuttle. It is like they have "evil totalitarian empire" stamped on their asses. Hard to use them for anything else unless the armour is diguised with camouflage. But they surely make splendid alternative SW stormtroopers.
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The great coats look bloody awful,all flouncy,flouncy*.I may buy some just to give them floral print dresses,err maybe not.
* Mrs Greywolf would know the correct term,however she's not here,she is probably watching a RomCom with a mate.
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they could work as rubber ABC protective gear, without floral motives :D
Oh come on, they are not that bad ( lol lol nazis in skirts)
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Yea, that Zoidberg head looks the least evil of them all, so that’s saying something. The more flat faceplates would give them a more bumbling fools look if you wanted to use them as some sort of slightly silly soldiers in a sci-fi rpg or something. Making the heroes look more heroic and all that.
The bug eyed heads without the helmets are the worst in my opinion, I really need to see those painted to get any idea of what I’m supposed to be looking at.
Tracking down enough spare GW heads shouldn’t a problem tough, I suppose. If you wanted a more human and non evil empire looking version of these guys.
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o_o o_o
looking non EE with GW heads? ;)
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Tracking down enough spare GW heads shouldn’t a problem tough, I suppose. If you wanted a more human and non evil empire looking version of these guys.
I think that sentence is almost an oxymoron..... :)
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Couple the fact I can say that to the whole zoidbers statement and you must admit wargames factory did an impressive job of making the most one dimensional variation of heads out there.
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I think swapping in unhelmetted heads that look like normal non-evil humans could go a small way towards changing the context of the miniatures. Like Bewyr said, it's tough to shift these away from obvious Space Nazi, Neo-Sov, Not-Galactic Empire or Not-Helghast themes because of the coalscuttle helmet.
If I had infinite funds I'd pick up a box of these and some standard bare or beret-wearing heads and have a crack at making these look as good-guy as possible.
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I think that there's quite a lot of manufacturers out there that offer separate heads to give these figures a completely different look… Especially if someone’s is ready to "break the mould" and put historical heads on Sci-Fi bodies.