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Title: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: Harry Faversham on 22 May 2025, 05:48:09 PM
Has anyone tried using maybe two Company's instead of just one? Be interested if anyone has, and how it played.


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Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: vodkafan on 23 May 2025, 12:22:16 PM
We have played a lot of Rebels and Patriots with the standard 5 or 6 units (@60 figures) each side. I have often thought 2 or 3 extra units would have given extra fun.
I think it would scale up double  Harry without any issues it would just be a longer game.
Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: Harry Faversham on 23 May 2025, 12:27:07 PM
Thank you Sir.
 :)
Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: vtsaogames on 23 May 2025, 01:13:51 PM
Or use 36 points instead of 24 for your first shot. A reinforced company...
Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: vodkafan on 23 May 2025, 01:51:45 PM
I know I am digressing a bit, but I think it is interesting how different players "see" Rebels and Patriots.
 Not explicitly mentioned in the rules, but 1 figure  =1person   doesn't make sense to me;
I always imagine my 12 man units as Companies of @100 men, about 1:8 ratio. So my whole on table force is a bit less than a battalion. That seems to me about right for the buildings and terrain layout we game over.
My friend has.been, on the other hand, likes to see each 12 man unit as a whole regiment/battalion and each artillery field piece as whole batteries.
So it's a slight disconnect and we have to agree beforehand sometimes what level we are playing at.
Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: boywundyrx on 23 May 2025, 03:50:45 PM
I've run a lot of 4 player (2v2) games of R&P, and by necessity have therefore playtested a lot of R&P playing two companies on one of the sides (sometimes both sides!).  I usually have the perspective each unit is a company anyway, like Vodkafan, at its base level.

I've also bathtubbed it up and done Aliwal as a 4 player game, with each unit as a battalion/campoo, and I've sort of done the same with Pikeman's Lament.  When I've done that, I've halved movement and firing ranges, to give a sense the table was bigger.  It works ok for a fun night's gaming, but our Bloody Big Battles version of Aliwal felt better.  The difference was the players for R&P were casuals, it was a harder core of us for BBB.

When doing a 4 player game, I usually keep it at 24 points per force. I once contemplated a 6 player game, and I would have reduced it to 18 points per player for that.

Chris
Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: Cat on 23 May 2025, 04:58:05 PM
Vodkafan, yes the game absolutely works fine at whatever unit size one cares to designate!  And a group stand of 15mm figures stands in nicely for each 'figure' too.
Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: vodkafan on 23 May 2025, 05:07:38 PM
Vodkafan, yes the game absolutely works fine at whatever unit size one cares to designate!  And a group stand of 15mm figures stands in nicely for each 'figure' too.

It's a great "toolset" and very adaptable we have found. By far the best of the Dan Mersey stable of rules.
Title: Re: Upscaling Rebel and Patriots?
Post by: CapnJim on 28 May 2025, 05:32:40 PM
I know I am digressing a bit, but I think it is interesting how different players "see" Rebels and Patriots.
 Not explicitly mentioned in the rules, but 1 figure  =1person   doesn't make sense to me;
I always imagine my 12 man units as Companies of @100 men, about 1:8 ratio. So my whole on table force is a bit less than a battalion. That seems to me about right for the buildings and terrain layout we game over.
My friend has.been, on the other hand, likes to see each 12 man unit as a whole regiment/battalion and each artillery field piece as whole batteries.
So it's a slight disconnect and we have to agree beforehand sometimes what level we are playing at.

That's what we do.  Each "unit" is a company, so the force is an ad hoc battalion(ish)-size force.  In your case, 2 battalion(ish0-size forces.  And not just for R&P, but for any similarly scaled game.  Except for the battle reenactment games I did with my 28mm War of 1812 stuff.  8)

As for fielding 2 forces per side in R&P, just have a force per player.  You can either do initiative per side, or per player.  Both work, at least we think so...