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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: anevilgiraffe on July 24, 2025, 02:46:32 PM
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trailer for King & Conqueror has dropped:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m0024pyz/king-and-conqueror?seriesId=trailers
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For something that is aimed at a mass market appeal, it actually doesn't look too bad.
I shall turn the other cheek at the more egregious solecisms.
But for the life of me, why does everyone have to have a muddy face?
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But for the life of me, why does everyone have to have a muddy face?
Everyone knows flannels weren't invented until 1789 when John f.Lannel accidentally shrunk his towels.
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The usual sort will be fewmin'.
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Spoiler alert.
It's Danes all the way down! lol lol
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No...
Just no..
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Thought this looked great. Nice tasty battle scenes and a lot of star power. Will get a lot of people into the history of 1066 and the end of the Viking Age and that's a great thing.
Maybe the only qualm I had was I felt like the two leads should be reversed! Wasn't Harold older than William? Felt Nikolaj Coster-Waldau would make a good Harold, and James Norton a good William.
Won't even comment on the silly criticism about one minor character in the trailer.
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Having watched every episode of Vikings, Last Kingdom, Viking Vahalla, Norsemen ( lol), the trailer doesn't look 'that' bad. At least all the soldiers have helmets, and they are the right shape!
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The problem is that this is one of 'those' battles or periods where, even if they don't have an army for it, most wargamers have a very definite opinion or sensibility about it. I'll keep an open mind.
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They will likely use the usual medieval movie tactics for the battles.
Everyone just runs at each other and break into individual fights.
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Drat - not available in my area...
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Drat - not available in my area...
Was about to switch on the ol' VPN, but less faff to check on YouTube first, and there it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anS9xQEPTsU :)
Too early to say if it will be definitely good or definitely shoddy, but I think I will almost definitely be watching it. Like nicknorthstar above; I've watched enough Dark Age "inspired" schlock to add one more the list; it might even be decent. :D
But for the life of me, why does everyone have to have a muddy face?
To be fair, they are taking a bath in the one scene! lol
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Thank you - Saw it on You Tube- does look good!!!
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Jarring.
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I do hope that big battle they show in the trailer isn't supposed to be Hastings as both armies are fighting on flat ground - the English were supposed to be on the crest of a ridge with at least one flank anchored against a wood that they'd cut branches for stakes to enhance their defences. None of that detail is in the trailer so I'm hoping it's another battle entirely.
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At least no one is using rapid-fire catapults with flaming missiles that explode. Count yer lucky stars. ;)
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Mud, floppy cheap leather vests and the gray "historical" fillter.
I dont mid odd an totaly a histoical costumeing but just bit the bullet an use a fantasy setting.
That way you can have a sequal or three, and we dont all know the plot.
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Right...
I've removed all the politics shit.
Please don't come here and do that again. Take your strong opinions and plaster them somewhere more appropriate - like most of the rest of the internet.
This is a site for model soldiers and wargaming.
Please check out the forum rules if you don't understand.
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Ugh..
This thing has basically every single bad "Medieval" movie trope.
Mud, floppy cheap leather vests and the gray "historical" fillter.
I dont mid odd an totaly a histoical costumeing but just bit the bullet an use a fantasy setting.
That way you can have a sequal or three, and we dont all know the plot.
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Just binge watched the first three episodes, verdict...
a very, very poor man's Game of Thrones.
:?
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Just binge watched the first three episodes, verdict...
a very, very poor man's Game of Thrones.
:?
Game of Tiddlywinks?
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The bots I've seen look like someone wanted to cash in on the popularity of game of thrones 10 years ago, but the project was shelved and has now been pulled out to fill a scheduling gap. Even to my very indifferent eye the costumes look wrong and cheap.
I know technicolour is a technical impossibility these days, but I really wish someone would break the mould and make a proper brightly coloured historical epic , so at the very least you don't feel like you're watching a bunch of indistinct grey and brown shapes making angry love through a fierce fog cloud.
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As predicted,total bollocks
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I for one thoroughly enjoyed the shot in the opening battle scene when a man wearing a full mail hauberk and leather on top has a spear put straight through his leather, mail and ribcage, and then out the other side!
Really sets the tone!
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I trust that one went back to Primark.
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An historical fantasy based on a few facts.
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An historical fantasy based on a few facts.
A very few facts - they could have used more but went for 'feelz' not facts. I've not seen it and the reviews I've seen make me damn glad I haven't - 'this too shall pass' very much like a big load of manure!
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So what I am hearing is you guys liked it and hope for a sequel? :D
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So what I am hearing is you guys liked it and hope for a sequel? :D
1067: The Heptarchy Strikes Back
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It is reassuring that the telly watching public and the critics don't like it anymore than us gamers...
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I can't get summat out mi' melon. That Kingslayer bloke nobbling some poor bugger...
"The things I do for love!"
:-*
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I trust that one went back to Primark.
A hauberk from Primark?
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A halberk from Primark?
Hal's a berk? I never knew that. lol
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A hauberk from Primark?
If it's modelled by Rita Ora it's undoubtedly very skimpy, which may explain its uselessness as armour. That's my working theory anyway. I need to research it further.
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I am not a fan of the period or well versed in the history but it seems as if they have utterly butchered it to make it into a story of William and Harold and there friendship and inevitable conflict.
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I think almost any historical drama with a setting in ancient or medieval times these days is highly influenced by Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon (albeit without the dragons, if only on budget grounds.) There was even a Japanese series a few years ago set in the Sengoku period that made a lot of simplifications, presumably for the benefit of western viewers, most of whom are ignorant enough about European history, let alone Asian, that a historically accurate approach would have been doomed to failure. (There was western backing, probably from Netflix, which I doubt would have been forthcoming otherwise).
There is a word for this, of course: Disneyfication.
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I have no doubt a Dragon descending from the clouds to turn back the boats would have subverted everyones expectations and been a ratings triumph!
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I think almost any historical drama with a setting in ancient or medieval times these days is highly influenced by Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon (albeit without the dragons, if only on budget grounds.) There was even a Japanese series a few years ago set in the Sengoku period that made a lot of simplifications, presumably for the benefit of western viewers, most of whom are ignorant enough about European history, let alone Asian, that a historically accurate approach would have been doomed to failure. (There was western backing, probably from Netflix, which I doubt would have been forthcoming otherwise).
There is a word for this, of course: Disneyfication.
The appetite is there though: FX's Shogun was an excellent adaptation that improved on the source material, was pretty historically authentic (historical accuracy not so much a factor), and was received extremely well.
I was hoping King and Conqueror would be as good as the War and Peace BBC series they made about 10 years ago. Ah well.
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I doubt the executives of the streaming companies are reading this forum or anything similar and they would probably dismiss the audience for serious historical drama as insignificant even if they did.
Shogun was indeed a partial exception to the trends I highlighted, though it was of course an adaptation of a novel that itself took liberties with the historical facts. The other series I referred to - which I haven't seen and know of only through discussion on the Samurai Archives Podcast (YT channel) - attempted to depict the main events of the later Sengoku period but simplified the political issues and even geography.
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The appetite is there though: FX's Shogun was an excellent adaptation that improved on the source material, was pretty historically authentic (historical accuracy not so much a factor), and was received extremely well.
I was hoping King and Conqueror would be as good as the War and Peace BBC series they made about 10 years ago. Ah well.
I think you have hit the nail on the head - historical authenticity rather than historical accuracy. Movies are entertainment, so accuracy may be hard, but authenticity would be nice. Seeing the richness of Saxon England would be preferable to people in drab clothing covered in dirt. This wouldn't detract from the story.