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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Captain Blood on 22 December 2009, 07:44:53 PM
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Well, having painted, prepped or discarded all of the 24 new Foundry Zulus I bought, I thought I'd try a few of the Copplestone Ngoni - just to see how they fitted in. I was particularly after the chaps in headrings because I think they just look more Zulu...
So, as I happened to be passing Orc's Nest in London today, I popped in and picked up a pack...
And now I'm effing annoyed! :-[
I know these packs are 'randomly assorted' variants - but I'd have expected a bit more 'assortment' than I got.
In the dingy confines of the shop, it's impossible to really see what's in the blister pack, all jumbled in together. When I got them home, I discover that of the 10 figures in the pack there are 4 pairs of duplicates and 2 'unique' figures. As a result I have only 2 of the figures in headrings I wanted, when I know there are at least 5 - possibly 6 - variants in production.
Which means I've effectively just paid 11 quid to get two figures! >:(
Now I'm sure I'll be able to trade / re-sell the unwanted duplicates... But is it just me, or is that actually a bit piss-poor?
Short of demanding to open up every pack - which I'm sure the shop wouldn't allow - this business of random assortment means you have no way of actually EVER guaranteeing to get the figures you want - not even if you bought several packs.
Now I love Copplestone's stuff, and having chatted to him a few times, he seems like a genuinely nice guy - so I don't think this is a cunning-evil marketing strategy to sell more lead.
But it is bloody annoying that you don't get a bit more variation than that within a pack...
On reflection I had the same thing when I bought 2 packs of Siberian Rifles a couple of years ago. You'd have thought that amongst 20 figures, you have a reasonable chance of getting one of each of 10 or 11 variants. But I only ever got 8 of them...
I think I'm gonna have to complain.
Anyone else had this problem, or is it just me?
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I have had exactly the same problem, Cap'n Blood.
However, adding a headring to your eight other figs seems like something do-able with a bit of epoxy putty rolled under your finger and cut with Xacto.
I haven't tried the above, however, so I could be talking through my hat.
Very frustrating when the randomness of the Copplestone's packaging is lacking.
Chick
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I have five headring figures available for swapsies (though sod's law will doubtless dictate we both have the same ones). That style of headring doesn't seem to have lived on past the first generation of Ngoni from Shaka's time, so they are a bit out of place on my 20th Century Ngoni really.
Unfortunately of the five, four of them are two pairs of identical figures (so yes, it does happen to other people!).
Here's what I got...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/4/163_22_12_09_9_11_16.jpg)
I'll exchange any or all of those five for figures without headrings (whether they are all the same or not). Dunno if that is any use to you but the offer is open.
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That's very kind of you, Plynkes. Cheers.
Looking at your top line there - I don't have the figure on the left. I do have two each of the figures second from left and centre - but I don't have either of the two chaps on the right.
So would love to bags one each of those please. Thank you so much :)
Of the bottom row of non-headringed figures, I seem to have all those except for the one on the extreme left. So if you'd prefer any particular ones, please just say which.
I'll PM you my address. Thanks again Plynkles. Appreciate that.
If any other kind soul happens to have the elusive headringed figure top left in Plynkes' picture above, and would care to swap or sell, please PM me, and I'll do you a deal ;)
Thanks.
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I know exactly where you are coming from
When I did my Chinese BOB army I wanted them all in caps and in every pack of 10 I got one, two or three with the bloody fur bonnets. >:( >:( >:
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I'm afraid that everyone who is buying randomly assorted packs is bound to have the same problem.
I always hated this sale strategy and I am surprised that some still use it.
I wouldn't expect that miniatures are deliberately packed in doubles or triples on purpose, but the strategy is obvious.
So the only chance we have is to open up a trade like You did with Plynkes :)
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I've never really minded this sort of thing, but then again all my Copplestone purchases to date have been Warlord Chinese and as far as I'm concerned the more ragged the 'uniform' the better, fur hats - caps - beanies - bowlers - the more the merrier.
On the other hand, doing Darkest Africa, where the tribesmen really should be quite individual, it must be a right pain in t'rear.
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Hmmm. Hasn't bothered me yet, either, as the only unit packs I've bought have been the Naval Brigade ones, so I don't mind if they have a few doubles.
However, I was thinking of getting some of the Amazon indian types at some point, and they will probably suffer from the same duplication problems, so worth bearing in mind. I can put up with one or two doubles in a ten-pack, but any more than that would really annoy me too.
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Hmmm. Hasn't bothered me yet, either, as the only unit packs I've bought have been the Naval Brigade ones, so I don't mind if they have a few doubles.
However, I was thinking of getting some of the Amazon indian types at some point, and they will probably suffer from the same duplication problems, so worth bearing in mind. I can put up with one or two doubles in a ten-pack, but any more than that would really annoy me too.
They do have doubles though I think each pack has different figures.
One of the good things about them though is that with those firing the bow you can twist the arms (wrists) slightly which gives a bit of variation also warpaint makes them look different. If you get the Tupi they also have tail feathers which can give them a more random look too.
I am down to the last 15 which should give me around 130 painted so far ::) ;D
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Perhaps it might be worth getting some Knobkerrie or axes for variety
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LowTarDog, please post photos of your painted Copplestone Amazonian Indians !!
Chick
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as the only unit packs I've bought have been the Naval Brigade ones,
if You have more than one pack, maybe You could please tell me how many different figures actually exist, and maybe post a picture too, please?
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While your frustration is understandable (maximum variety is always a better bet in packaging, I think), it does reveal the great genius of the LAF, where it is easy to swap one's unneeded figures with like-minded fellow hobbyists who will give them a good home...!
Personally, I always preferred the glory days of the GW Archive service, where one might have had to pay a premium for loose single figures, but at least they were available if you needed a specific model or component for a project...
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there were days before the archive service, when it wasn't even that expensive...
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if You have more than one pack, maybe You could please tell me how many different figures actually exist, and maybe post a picture too, please?
I have one pack of the regular Naval Brigade, and one of the sailors in Sennet hats. Out of those packs of ten (and without checking, sorry) I think I have seven or eight individuals in each. The poses are very similar in a lot of cases though, perhaps a rifle held slightly higher and the figure being either bearded or clean shaven are the only differences.
Unfortunately I can't get into the loft to take more pics at the moment (piled high with Christmas crap!), or I'd see what I could do for you.
However, the first pack is pictured here on my VSF Stargate thread:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=10725.0
And should give you an idea of the assortment you'd be likely to get. Sorry I can't be more help. :(
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thank You very much
we are in no hurry, after all it is christmas ;)
I expect the difference between the two versions to be the hats only, since I noticed myself that even in the variety, there are quite a lot of head-swaps involved
at least they look more natural and varied than the Perry ones, which are really only head-swaps in the same stiff pose
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No problem, and yes, the hats are the only difference between the two packs.
Personally, I don't find the similarity of the poses to be a problem, as they are only for forming line and giving volley fire anyway. ;)
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I agree, but it's a matter of taste
I used to have lots of the 1/72 plastics and got bored with the standard poses, so I try to avoid them even if they are historical like a firing line.
I know sculptors do use the same basic poses all the time to save work, but if it's only headswaps, what's the point? these I can do myself in 5 minutes
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Troops in linear formations would usually be in very similar poses in real life - especially in highly disciplined forces like those of Britain or Prussia. After all, when standing to receive a charge with fixed bayonets or re-loading when volley firing, any half decent commander would hope his men are all doing the same thing at the same time.
I'm happy to have similar poses when troops are in formed units, but less so for skirmishers or more irregular/poorly disciplined Askris etc. As for tribesmen, that's when I do get a bit grumpy with too many similar poses - but even then how many radically different "charging with assegai" poses are there? ;)
The main problem with some native armies is the lack of variation in dress, but again with Zulus, Azande etc there wouldn't be that much within a tribal/regimental unit. Painting, adding variations in head-dress or head/weapon swaps within the unit can often disguise too much uniformity if required.
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I have five headring figures available for swapsies (though sod's law will doubtless dictate we both have the same ones). That style of headring doesn't seem to have lived on past the first generation of Ngoni from Shaka's time, so they are a bit out of place on my 20th Century Ngoni really.
I'm not stalking Senor Plynkes, really. But he did bring up this issue about headrings over on The Miniatures Page, so I stealthily followed him back down the jungle trail...
That is indeed what Chris Peers says in his Osprey on the warrior peoples of East Africa; he claims that the Zulu headring had fallen out by the 1880s. He uses an image from Johnston's "British Central Africa" to illustrate a typical Ngoni warrrior (in the Copplestone "elite" headdress.
Well, I fear that Chris missed a bit. Harry Johnston, writing in 1898 from his own observations from 1889 onward, said that "The Angoni, where they do not adopt the Zulu fashion among the married men of wearing a head-ring (made round the head with plastered hair), train their hair into long wisps which they tie up with grass or straw." See page 421-422 here:
http://tinyurl.com/y9mlj6s
Note that he does not say that the Ngoni do not adopt the Zulu fashion, but as a dependent clause, indicates that *where* they do not, they follow another fashion. This to me implies that some still wore the head-ring up to the end of the century, at least.
Allen
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Good work, Allen. But my agreement with Blood stands. I prefer the non-headring ones anyway. :)
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And as you have shown, it's those without headrings that appear in photographs. So no arguments from me!
Allen