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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Sinewgrab on 28 January 2010, 06:33:02 PM
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So, now that GW insists that the only way to paint is base color highlight wash rehighlight, and have pulled their previously very good inks off of the market to replace them with the watered down, smaller pot drivel they call 'washes', I have no source for good quality rich inks that will enhance the colors I am using instead of just fill the low spots...what do you guys use? Any hints? Please?
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I use Vallejo inks and Daler Rowney acrylic artists inks.
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Coat d'Arms
LINK (http://www.blackhat.co.uk/online_shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ink&Submit=Search!)
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I'm with you on that one Sinew, my GW ink supply is about to run dry. Two good alternatives there.
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Bear in mind that some manufacturers ink colours aren't UV stable and WILL fade (check the really tiny small print on the label).
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I swear by Windsor & Newton inks. Very intense. The tend to clog the screw cap and need a drop of water now and then not to dry out but other than that they are the best I know.
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I'm another fan of Windsor and Newton. I have to say that although I was initially very skeptical I have found the new GW washes very useful. They don't do the same thing as inks though naturally.
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Well, I'll have to look for some of these local here, and see what I can find. The Coat D'Arms I have used, but I do not want to order from overseas, and I can't find a local distributor - I try very hard to let my LGS order my stuff for me when they can. I may hit the local art store for either Windsor or the Daler.
I have used Vallejo in the past, but in my experience, they don't water down well, and thus are not as useful to me.
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Coat d'Arms
LINK (http://www.blackhat.co.uk/online_shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ink&Submit=Search!)
Yes, I'm glad someone as talented as Orctrader agrees with me lol
They are at least as good as the old GW inks and certainly cheaper. Don't know if you can get them in The Land Of The Free, but if not, may well be worth importing from The Land Of Gordon Brown's Cockups.
edit Bugger! You beat me to it >:(
;)
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Well, I'll have to look for some of these local here, and see what I can find. The Coat D'Arms I have used, but I do not want to order from overseas, and I can't find a local distributor - I try very hard to let my LGS order my stuff for me when they can. I may hit the local art store for either Windsor or the Daler.
I have used Vallejo in the past, but in my experience, they don't water down well, and thus are not as useful to me.
You can buy Coat D'arms from Scale Creep Miniatures:
www.scalecreep.com
in the USA
thanks
Mike
Black Hat Miniatures
www.blackhat.co.uk
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Oh, I hadn't thought to look there.
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I've used Daler Rowney FW artist acrylic inks for probably ten years or so and I've been satisfied. Good value, variety, and intensity.
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So the Coat d'Arms paints & inks are identical to the older GW ones?
Excellent news, I have a bottle of GW Red Ink that I really like the colour of, but the lid is seized shut! Stupid screwtops. Will have to see if my FLGS can get the stuff, or do an order to Scale Creep. (GW's Red Ink is a very pure red shade; all of the artist's acrylic red inks I've found are too orange-shifted for my taste.)
I mostly use Daler Rowney/FW or Windsor&Newton artist's inks, though. Very nice quality, and a wider range of colours than are available from most of the hobby suppliers.
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I too use Winsor&Newton Inks as well as Dr. Martins - which I have used for years for everything from air-brushing to graphic arts. They are lightfast and water resistant when dry. Good stuff.
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Sorry to be contrary but according to the small print on my Winsor & Newton ink carton, to quote "only black and white are permanent to light". I was using W&N Dark Peat but I stopped, just in case, as my figures go into a display case.
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Um, I rather like GW's new 'washes'. They're far better than the old inks, by a long shot. Not so shiny, give a more realistc look, and don't highlight my mediocure painting as much as the old ones.
Good God, I'm typing in support of the Evil Empire...
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Um, I rather like GW's new 'washes'. They're far better than the old inks, by a long shot. Not so shiny, give a more realistc look, and don't highlight my mediocure painting as much as the old ones.
Good God, I'm typing in support of the Evil Empire...
Feel free to like them. I won't hold it against you.
I think the difference will be based in how you used them - I use inks much of the time to add depth to a color that I have used white to lighten up for highlighting - the old inks, with their depth of color, worked very well for that, and also worked to add to a wash medium I mix (1 part Color Float, 1 part isopropyl alcohol, 2 parts future floor wax) for washing, and I could adjust the strength of the wash appropriate to what I was trying to do. These new washes are like the old inks with a bit of black tossed in to make them usable for shading only, and then watered down to less than half the color strength. I would put money down that the new washes are a cost saving measure masquerading as a "new" way of doing things GW style...
Having said that, I also have been painting for 25 years, and tend to develop some opinions in that amount of time.
Not that anyone can tell... :?
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Invader - I was refering to the Dr. Martin's inks when saying that they are lightfast.
Here is a link to the Dick Blick web site which shows the product as well as the properties of the inks themselves:
http://www.dickblick.com/products/dr-ph-martins-bombay-india-inks/
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Invader - I was refering to the Dr. Martin's inks when saying that they are lightfast.
Okey dokey. I misread u as referring to W&N. Thanks for coming back to clarify / correct me. ;) :)