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Title: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 10, 2010, 01:37:53 PM: ~~My next deed:~~

An armoured self propelled railcar. The idea was from 1943 when the Wehrmacht decided for armoured railway stock that should be able to fight tanks (the current armoured trains were mainly artillery support or anti-partisan purpose).
Photos are from the book "Deutsche Panzerzüge" and were taken at the Steyr factory after the end of war. Three should have been built, but it seems unlikely that one of them had seen action.
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale291.jpg)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale292.jpg)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale293.jpg)

The little box that arrived from Texas (thanks to Brian/Kampfgruppe Cottrell! :hello: ):
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale285.jpg)

The rather heavy and most solid block of resin that was inside:
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale287.jpg)

The free hand drilled (or should I say milled) out interior:
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale286.jpg)

A H0 scale locomotive that I bought cheap (20€) at railway model flea market. It has the perfect length that will fit into the hull of the railcar:
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale288.jpg)

Body removed to motorize the railcar:
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale289.jpg)

Some would say now that H0 is way too small for 28mm gaming. Right, this is correct. Though some may have noticed my efforts to collect a few narrow gauge railway models which are properly scaled, but run on H0 tracks. This is what I am aiming at with this build too.
Now it comes in handy that the locomotive model has six axles where the prototype armoured railcar had only four. It is common use at railways to adapt rolling stock for weaker lines by adding axles/changing bogies to lower axle weight. Being in the lucky position that the prototype was never really in use, I can say it is a "what if" model for alternative WW2 and can be used on narrow gauge lines now. There were quite a lot of those all over Europe, Africa and the middle east.

This is a modern example of what I´m telling here: A standard gauge Diesel engine (normally on bogies with two axles each) is set on bogies with three narrow gauge axles each to be used on the Brockenbahn in the Harz mountains in Germany (notice the small narrow gauge carriages behind that standard gauge engine):
(http://cdn.fotocommunity.com/Eisenbahn/Schmalspur/Harzkamel-im-Draengetal-a19608329.jpg)
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: rob_the_robgoblin on April 10, 2010, 02:14:42 PM: Wow, looks awesome!

Will the train be able to carry that weight?

Lots of work drilling it out, I am sure. Well done just for that alone!
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: former user on April 10, 2010, 03:16:19 PM: well well ;)
the railway master gives a lesson in how to truly make an armoured railcar.... :-* :-* :-*

what shall I say without being redundant?
magnificent?
yep, can't wait to see the result
looks like this was exactly the piece missing in Your collection
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Calimero on April 10, 2010, 07:38:49 PM: Nice Project, Michi

P.S. : am I the only one who can’t see the last picture?
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Ramirez Noname on April 10, 2010, 09:02:33 PM: Hi,

That's an interesting project, Michi.

@ Rob - not quite answering the question but the Brit version used to be fitted with a block of steel which you didn't want dropping on your toes o_o (past experince).

Nope - I can't see the last pic :'(

RMZ
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 10, 2010, 10:21:55 PM: Quote from: Calimero on April 10, 2010, 07:38:49 PM
Nice Project, Michi

P.S. : am I the only one who can’t see the last picture?

Try the link, it should lead there (I can still see it): http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://img.fotocommunity.com/Eisenbahn/Schmalspur/Harzkamel-im-Draengetal-a19608329.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/19608329&h=667&w=1000&sz=399&tbnid=4xkC3yLKJezn4M:&tbnh=99&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dharzkamel&usg=__ME16PozUnlGjHQUdAzqcZuA38Ho=&ei=uOvAS7fgM-eHOI6m-ZMO&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&ved=0CBoQ9QEwBQ
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Ramirez Noname on April 10, 2010, 10:34:53 PM: Thanks Michi,

That's a big loco .... or small coaches.

RMZ
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 10, 2010, 10:43:24 PM: Quote from: Ramirez Noname on April 10, 2010, 10:34:53 PM
Thanks Michi,

That's a big loco .... or small coaches.

RMZ

Small coaches. The loco looks normal with standard gauge stock (4 axles):
(http://home.arcor.de/bahnhobbyseiten2/FalStr_PV/HQ/202_Glsm_hq.jpg)
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 12, 2010, 08:48:44 PM: Assembled, motorized and running - to be painted soon...

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale313.jpg)

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(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale316.jpg)
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 13, 2010, 05:35:25 AM: (http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale318.jpg)
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: starkadder on April 13, 2010, 08:34:52 AM: I appreciate the difficulties of scale. This is a project after my own heart.

I made a few desultory inquiries a while ago. "O" gauge is closest to 1/56/28mm n'est-ce pas?
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: dampfpanzerwagon on April 13, 2010, 09:24:28 AM: Looking good. I know how difficult it is to get such bodies to 'sit' true and level in such projects. I think you have done a great job.

Tony
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: former user on April 13, 2010, 10:20:51 AM: Quote from: starkadder on April 13, 2010, 08:34:52 AM
I made a few desultory inquiries a while ago. "O" gauge is closest to 1/56/28mm n'est-ce pas?

it depends how You like it on the Battlefield
S gauge is closer, but looks smallish (the HBLS and Company B trains run on S track, but they are smaller than S gauge)
0 gauge is also difficult, because it ranges between 1:43, 1:45, 1:48, depending on manufacturer and country norms.
It is basically a decision You have to make

My freight train is 0 gauge, 1:48 on the smallish side (toy train), but I am very content with it - it is only around 1 cm too wide

Goldlok Western express (and similars) is 0 gauge on the bigger side, but still OK IMHO
EBAY- it pays out to check for toy trains, because these are often not to railway modelling standards, so size can vary.
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 14, 2010, 07:07:46 AM: Quote from: Bezzo on April 13, 2010, 08:43:34 AM
That's a lot of work Michi but the results speak for themselves. Well done, really looking forward to seeing it painted up and in situ on a table.

Painting in progress now:

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale319.jpg)
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Aaron on April 14, 2010, 12:37:14 PM: You don't fool around, do you? Looking ~~good~~ great!
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: rob_the_robgoblin on April 15, 2010, 09:47:19 AM: You certainly don't muck about, that's looking ace. I find it hard enough to answer everyone's posts, paint AND put PHOTOS of the painted stuff online!!! :(
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 16, 2010, 05:19:17 PM: Prior to weathering and chipping:

(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll111/wamasaka/Mini%202010/MiniaturenfotosOriginale327.jpg)

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Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: D@rth J@ymZ on April 16, 2010, 05:43:01 PM: Very nice work indeed. The camo pattern looks ace and very close to the reference photo. How did you paint the camo pattern?
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Cory on April 16, 2010, 06:22:36 PM: I love the turret names.
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: ushistoryprof on April 16, 2010, 06:29:42 PM: A fantastic piece of work, Wow!
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 16, 2010, 11:34:22 PM: Quote from: D@rth J@ymZ on April 16, 2010, 05:43:01 PM
How did you paint the camo pattern?

Simulated airbrush by blending green and ochre and layer it with increasing amount of green. The pattern is freehand brushing...
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Silent Invader on April 16, 2010, 11:44:00 PM: Freehand? Just, WOW!
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Mr. Burning on April 17, 2010, 12:39:28 PM: Quote from: Michi on April 16, 2010, 11:34:22 PM
Simulated airbrush by blending green and ochre and layer it with increasing amount of green. The pattern is freehand brushing...
I wanted to ask this too. Amazing work.
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: MadMö on April 18, 2010, 04:39:30 PM: Very cool!
Superb work.
:o
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: former user on April 19, 2010, 12:22:57 AM: nice touch with the two Raven turrets ;)
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 19, 2010, 06:45:32 AM: Quote from: former user on April 19, 2010, 12:22:57 AM
nice touch with the two Raven turrets ;)

It came to me while building it: Two to the left and right of one eye...

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Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Paul Hicks on April 19, 2010, 07:58:04 AM: Splendid. Look forward to seeing it in a game.
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: former user on April 19, 2010, 09:22:08 AM: splendid indeed
You paint the chipping on? no salt/maskol etc?
Brakedust?
also very nice the sooted flare discharger position

are the pictures without the bogies?
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Michi on April 19, 2010, 09:28:18 PM: Quote from: former user on April 19, 2010, 09:22:08 AM
You paint the chipping on? no salt/maskol etc?
Brakedust?
are the pictures without the bogies?

Chipping is made by painted on chocolate brown dots,
brakedust is just a simple leatherbrown wash
and the bogies are invisible, because the hull covers them almost completely. There is a gap of 2mm between the lower edge and the rails.
Title: Re: Motorized resin railcar
Post by: Cheeky Monkey on April 22, 2010, 05:57:10 PM: One of the best paint jobs I've seen in quite awhile. The nice thing about using HO scale frame and motors is that it corresponds to On30 or narrow gauge, which is quite common in Germany and Poland. Beautiful work!