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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: Hammers on 28 April 2010, 04:24:06 PM
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This German tank was never ready for use before the armistice but were hidden away from allied inspection which forbade the production and formation of an armoured force. In the early 1920s Sweden imported the parts to ten of these under the name of "farming machinery and cut boiler plate" and they were assembled to Sweden's first armoured battalion.
(http://www.sphf.se/Axvall/Images/21-1.jpg)
There is still one example around, the only one in the world, and it chuffed around as late as 1979.
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thx for sharing :)
was totally new to me!
Ts,Ts, and I call myself a tank freak ... :(
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The Hungarians bought a few of these in secret via the Swedes in the 1920s, again under the label of "agricultural equipment". In Hungarian service they were called L21s.
By the time that the Hungarian tank force was "modernized", there was thought to using them as training tanks, but sometime in the mid 30s they'd been placed in a storage facility and essentially left to rust. They were deemed "unsalvageable". According to one source I read while doing my Hungarian book, "unsalvageable, even for scrap". So they must have been in -terrible- shape.
Anyway, it's a neat looking tank. Something we might get around to doing eventually at BA.
-Doc
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I'd never heard of them either. Pretty nifty, reminds me of the British Whippet.
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Some one needs to make some :D
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The German original design was called the L.K. II (Leichter Kampfwagen 2, or Light Combat Car 2) and was indeed intended as an "German Whippet", but as Hammers pointed out, the design was only sold to Sweden and never built in Germany.
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The German original design was called the L.K. II (Leichter Kampfwagen 2, or Light Combat Car 2) and was indeed intended as an "German Whippet", but as Hammers pointed out, the design was only sold to Sweden and never built in Germany.
It may have only been sold to Sweden officially, but it was very much a part of the Hungarian tank arm in the late 20s/early 30s.
In some cases, they were used without armament installed, but as the Allied inspections became less common, they saw more open use.
Incidentally, one of my sources also calls these LKII in Hungarian arsenals, so I suppose either terminology is correct.
-Doc
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This looks like a tank for my workbench ;)
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This looks like a tank for my workbench ;)
Oh, big surprise ;) :D
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This looks like a tank for my workbench ;)
If you do sign me up for 2!
I think there's more than one survivor though. The Panzermuseum in Munster has an LK II I believe, and there is a least one Swedish Strv/mv 21 in the Swedish Axxal? museum, probably two. One could be the later m29 with a 37mm Bofors gun and a much better engine, but I haven't seen them yet.
AFAIK none of the two LK Is survived ( exactly the same except for a non- rotating turret and a single machine gun) left.
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If you do sign me up for 2!
I think there's more than one survivor though. The Panzermuseum in Munster has an LK II I believe, and there is a least one Swedish Strv/mv 21 in the Swedish Axxal? museum, probably two. One could be the later m29 with a 37mm Bofors gun and a much better engine, but I haven't seen them yet.
AFAIK none of the two LK Is survived ( exactly the same except for a non- rotating turret and a single machine gun) left.
Axvall. They are remaking their home page as they are building a new museum. Lots of surprising stuff in there as Sweden apparently bought a lot of after the war. There are parts of a King Tiger with a Porche turret, purchased from France in the late 40s. The tank in question was used for target practice for a long time. I bet they regret that now, considering how few that were made.
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Swedish warmuseum have a small book about swedish panzar and there is a chapter about this tank and alot of nice pictures.
A really nice picture is when the whole batalion is shown together with a renault tank and some suportcars and a motorcykel with sidecar..
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Glynis says it's really quite cute.
But not as cute as the little Renault bath ducks.
Although, it does have a towing hook - would it pull a family caravan ?
Nice paint scheme. Is this an official Swedish army pattern or the Hammers family paintjob ?
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Prompted by the picture we've just looked to see what else we could find about it and turned up this nifty little film :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlX22UzJ50
Do some of them have fishing rods on the back ?
The one wizzing through the snow looks quite fast.
Wonder if the driver of the one that got stuck driving through a barn got into trouble....
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The fishing rod is the antenna that was triangelshaped.
About the paintsheme it seams the colourpicture have the original paintsheme put in the pictures when the tank was in Swedish service it seams to have been in just one colour, probebly green. In the book is one picture of a wintercamoflage sheme and it chalkwater painted in big patches.
The maximum speed was 16km/h for thefm/22 and for the upgraded with a new engine it was 18km/h. So it's really swoshing :)
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Glynis says it's really quite cute.
But not as cute as the little Renault bath ducks.
Although, it does have a towing hook - would it pull a family caravan ?
Nice paint scheme. Is this an official Swedish army pattern or the Hammers family paintjob ?
T'aint the boys this time, although noting is safe from the Crayons of Doom in the hands of Fiver, son of Hammers. Swedish panzer camo is a sort of muddled spray on black and brown over green. Not sure when it was introduced. Now days it is a black, tan green splinter job, popularly called 'the compost heap' pattern.
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Prompted by the picture we've just looked to see what else we could find about it and turned up this nifty little film :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlX22UzJ50
Do some of them have fishing rods on the back ?
Wonder if the driver of the one that got stuck driving through a barn got into trouble....
They are indeed fishing rods. And the square thing at the back is a wicker picknick basket. These tanks form the backbone of the Trouting Regiment (Princess Astrids Own). They were renowned for their hatred against agrarian architecture.
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I started a wip thread...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=19256.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=19256.0)
Tobi
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Hi
Just got back from the Partizan Show where HLBS had previews of the next Copplestone interwar vehicles on display. No prizes for guessing that one was a LK II.
I thought the other was listed as an american T12 but can'nt find anything vaguely like by googling.The nearest thing looks like a Soviet T12 from 1928. Kicking myself for not writing the details down. :'(
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And here it is:
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/k57leichterkampfwagenII.jpg)
It is almost spooky how often you can start a topic on something obscure and then see it realized just a few monts later.
Sorry Tobsen, he beat you to it.
There is a an American interwar tank to:
(http://www.copplestonecastings.co.uk/images/k58t1e2lighttank.jpg)
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There was an interesting modelling article in one of the EFV modelling Magazines, where the author had written a brief history of the German Tank and how it had been used by 'other' forces, I think Turkey prior to WWII.
Sorry bur not sure of the magazine number.
Tony
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/
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A rigid person would claim this thread belongs in the domain of Jim Hale and his Interwar since none of the tanks mentioned here saw any action in the Great War.
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It is almost spooky how often you can start a topic on something obscure and then see it realized just a few months later.
Then let me officially start a topic on a 1/56 scale Lanchester armored car. (Old Glory's is too big.)
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Sorry Tobsen, he beat you to it.
Seems so :(
Nice model!
Tobi
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What model/make is the American tank?
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Seems so :(
Nice model!
Tobi
No worries Tobben. Since we both support the same football team I'll by my two from you :)
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I have put the Copplestone kit together but I can't figure out where one of the pieces is supposed to go. Its a t-cross muffler looking sort of thing... Does anyone know?
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I have put the Copplestone kit together but I can't figure out where one of the pieces is supposed to go. Its a t-cross muffler looking sort of thing... Does anyone know?
Could you post an image of the piece in question? That would possibly be helpful.
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I have put the Copplestone kit together but I can't figure out where one of the pieces is supposed to go. Its a t-cross muffler looking sort of thing... Does anyone know?
Not entirely sure what your talking about but the 3 accessories you get with the tank are 2 machine gun options (maxim and schwarzlose) and the rear step/towing bar. The schwarzlose was fitted on the Swedish tanks the maxim would be used for hypothetical German units.
hope this helps :)
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Now I get it. *makes firing finger pistol to temple gesture* What I took for a solid T-cross piece is actually a Maxim HMG on a sprue. Well, I am in for the Schwarzlose option so into the lead bin it goes.