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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Schrodingers_Cat on 01 July 2010, 11:57:29 AM

Title: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: Schrodingers_Cat on 01 July 2010, 11:57:29 AM
From Peter Pig;

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Berdi/15mm/WWWII/906a6997.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Berdi/15mm/WWWII/814ea4a9.jpg)
Pz.Kpfw. IV (H)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Berdi/15mm/WWWII/a46d649c.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Berdi/15mm/WWWII/3ac9eeeb.jpg)
Sdkfz 251/1
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: carlos marighela on 01 July 2010, 12:11:47 PM
Nice paint job. I hate to be the bearer of sad tidings but the running gear on the tank is upside down. :(
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 01 July 2010, 12:44:22 PM
Nice paint job. I hate to be the bearer of sad tidings but the running gear on the tank is upside down. :(

So that he is not alone, strictly speaking, dark grey for a Panzer IV H isn't really correct as well.

On a more positive note, I like the way the running gear on the halftracks is all dusted up, and the shading around the motor hatch.
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: Schrodingers_Cat on 01 July 2010, 02:47:09 PM
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Nice paint job. I hate to be the bearer of sad tidings but the running gear on the tank is upside down. Sad

Whoops!  ::) Fixed.

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dark grey for a Panzer IV H isn't really correct as well.

If I said it was slightly lighter grey in real life would that make a difference? Or is that still completely wrong?
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: David on 01 July 2010, 04:00:06 PM
The next version, the Ausf. H, began production in April 1943 and received the designation Sd. Kfz. 161/2. This variant saw the integrity of the glacis armor improved by manufacturing it as a single 80-millimetre (3.15 in) plate. To prevent adhesion of magnetic anti-tank mines, which the Germans feared would be used in large numbers by the Allies, Zimmerit paste was added to all the vertical surfaces of the tank's armor.
They changed over from panzer gray late 1942 to early 1943
Tha colour depends on where it was on campain and what time of year it was.
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: redzed on 01 July 2010, 04:07:54 PM

If I said it was slightly lighter grey in real life would that make a difference? Or is that still completely wrong?
help is at hand - The Guild Quick Painting Duide (http://www.guildwargamers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=13275)
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 01 July 2010, 05:46:44 PM
If I said it was slightly lighter grey in real life would that make a difference? Or is that still completely wrong?

Basically, from mid-1943, the "standard" factory finish was "Dunkelgelb", i.e. a dark ochre yellow. To this, camouflage would be applied by the receiving units. I don't want to be picky, and I absolutely LOVE Panzers in Panzergrau (i.e. dark grey); and I will probably convert one of Tamiya's IV J tanks to an F1. or G, depending on how powergamey I feel, but the combination of this model of long gun barrel, commander's cupola and the turret skirts (I assume you left off the side skirts) is fairly typical for an H (or even J) and those, to my knowledge, didn't come in dark grey anymore.

That said, I'd be happy to be corrected with evidence if I'm wrong. :)
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: Arlequín on 01 July 2010, 07:49:29 PM
All that aside, they do look good and the weathering isn't overdone.  :)
Title: Re: Panzer IV and a couple of SdKfz's
Post by: Schrodingers_Cat on 01 July 2010, 11:51:43 PM
Thanks guys, Redzed, that link will come in handy. Westfalia Chris, by all means be picky, all the info has certainly helped and been appreciated!  :) So yes, the Panzer will probably get a repaint in the foreseeable future, depends how it fares in a few games before hand.  lol