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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: dsmith on 08 August 2010, 10:32:44 PM
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Afternoon fellow LAFers,
I am thinking of ordering the kreigspeil Musorians from Eureka for opfor for my empress and eureka moderns for a central american setting for ambush alley games , but I have no idea how they scale out against them, I have read they run small ,but just how small can anyone help out with photos of each. For an idea I have the FFL and USMC recon from Eureka and most of the Empress US stuff, as well as the PLA from Col.Stone and a few Mongrel. Even a reference as to how they scale with some of these others may help in my decision good fit with mongrel ,smaller then Col.stone etc..... you get the idea, I really like the fact that there are multiple sets of these with nice poses and different head gear. I almost forgot I also have some of the redstar figures. Thanks
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The Musorians are old school true 25's, or 22mm eye height, sculpted by Mike Broadbent at a guess. They stand noticeably smaller than say the modern French by Kosta but the height variation may play into your hands depending on personal tastes and ethnic representation. I can take comparison photos, but not until mid next week.
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I agree with CDM. They are on the small side of true 25mm. I have a few painted up sitting downstairs next to my old Ral Partha Twilight 2000 figures, and they are smaller than those. On the other hand you can't tell much of a difference once they're painted. When I was looking through my Russian troops box I forgot the Kriegspeils were mixed into a batch of Mongrel minis.
Sorry I can't take a picture. I haven't figured out how yet. Maybe that should be my next project.
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Hey thanks for the imput guys . I went ahead and ordered 1 set of the standard guys with helmets to see for my self :D if all else fails they become a pygmy army set on defending the rain forest after being introduced to marxist ideals during a neighboring countries long civil war and supported by Cuba and China. Long live the revolution lol.
Thanks again I'll get some photo's up soon of my Eureka USMC.
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As you know I went ahead and picked up a set of the kreigspeil Musorian they arrived on Friday, and to say the least I was very happy with them. I finished the first figure of 2 8 man fire teams he's an NCO and is kitted out in a local knock off of the woodland BDU.
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac340/derekasmith/work%20in%20progress/001.jpg)
and in case anyone was wondering how they looked next to some of the other ranges I snapped this.
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac340/derekasmith/work%20in%20progress/002.jpg)
These are from L-R Kreigspeil,Eureka,Mongrol,Empress, Col. Stone's Compound they look in my opinion very nice next to these and will be my opfor set in an imaginary asian kingdom supported by the Col. Stone PLA.
Hope you like.
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All the figures have excellent camo!
extra special to see one of "my own" painted aswell, seems like the musorians match pretty well, i sense a rear echelon force-purchase is not far away now lol
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Col. so glad you like your PLA I have been beating my head against a wall trying to find a good scenario which did'nt include the PLA taking over the world so my squad (which is almost finished, look for more in the near future) will be acting in the advisor role in some fictional Asian kingdom they will be fighting along side the govt. forces and the other sets of kreigspeil with soft covers will be acting as the rebels supported by the French.Now I just need some suitable support either armored car or BMP? have'nt decided which yet for the Govt. troops.
Look for more in the next couple of days.
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I have quite a large number of the Musorians, yes they are smaller than the FFL, Bundeswehr, Aghans and USMC Force Recon etc etc, largely because all the initial Kriegspiel line were commissioned that way and because it's a different sculptor (Mike Broadbent). As I base my moderns on 3/4 inch washers, I've found that if I place a 1/4 washer atop that and beneath the Musorian's base they mix pretty well. I don't do it to all of them, this gives a little height variation. I do the same thing with the Eureka Vietcong/ NVA who are also good to throw into the mix as irregulars. I suspect that all the Broadbent sculpted lines would match well with Col Stone's Modern Chinese.
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Very, very nice moderns there, looks superb.
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The PLA-trooper would be a smidge taller than the musorian if he wasn't crouched over right?
i found that to be a bit difficult in making sizecomp pics, all my troops are in slightly bent poses :D
a type 86 (bmp1 variant) would probably look "in character" for a Chinese backed government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMP-1_variants#People.27s_Republic_of_China
it's available in 1/56 from sloppy jalopy
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They blend almost seemlessly with Col. stone's figures when placed next to one another even without the washer.
I have been asking myself whether or not to base my figures on washers or not . The plus to that would be I could really elaborate on the scenics, the down side would be I would have to redo all that I have done I am still on the fence will see after the first game with these if I do it or not.
I picked the 2 straightest figures this morning to get a feel and as far as I could tell they were the same height to eye level with the Kreigspeil being a little heftier.
Yeah I have seen the sloppy jalopy BMP and have them in mind for generics( for this project, Middle east, and warsaw pact get the most bang for my buck as I have all 3 of these in the works) :D and will be getting them in the future I was thinking along the lines of the BTR 80 B from S&S for the regulars as well. The setting is in a jungle so tracks vs. wheels? I was hoping that some one could tell me if any manufactures make a 1/56 PT-76 ? that would be the ultimate for the musorians a light tank with an 86mm gun fully amphibious would fit the bill nicely ;) , however if none is available they will use the BMP 1 with BMP 2 's going to the Sultans household guard. The MTB will be T-62 when they become available again from sloppy jalopy and will be part of the Household cavalry( I could be pursuaded to upgrade to T-80's if they are ready COl. I could finally order my second squad) putting some of the kingdoms gold riches to modernization.
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Alas no 1/56 but IIRC there is a Solido diecast 1/50 version. I've been weighing up the pros and cons of vehicle scales myself. In general terms I like the smaller footprint and scale match of 1/56 or 1/60. Then I looked at photos of the S&S VAB, it just looks wrong. Don't get me wrong much of their other stuff, especially their 20mm stuff looks superb but I wanted VABs for my French and the Solido 1/50 version is not only cheaper but better detailed. having made that call it alos opens up more support options. 1/48 scale AMX 10RC via Gasoline and they produce the Kongsberg wepaons station to convert the VABs. I also discoverd that there are Chinese military trucks available as prepaints in 1/50 scale. Wonderful as they or another Chinese company also do great little T-55s for as little as $6.00 apiece!
If you don't mind mixing scales, Battlefield Evolution produced wheeled Chinese IFVs and a Type 99 MBT. Thes pop up on Ebay, smaller in scale, I think they are 1/60 - 1/65 but they look good. I've seen the Type 99 in the flesh and despite some minor reservations about the model it looks like it would make a great match for Col. Stone's range.
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I just bounced over to Ebay and found the solido PT76 I wish the treads were different they look horrible and will keep me from picking this up to bad cause the pt 76 fits the story line better oh well I have several choices for other vehicles AML90 from sloppy jalopy jumps at me for the household guard cavalry . I have'nt seen any of the battlefield EVO stuff next to 28mm, but I know they are kind of an in between scale any one got photos of these next to your 28mm stuff would be great :)
I have been repainting 1 of those T-55's for the last couple of weeks I love them they are perfect for the price and I may get more for my taliban once I move on to them. I am trying to keep my scales consistant so I will be waiting until after I get my Sloppy jalopy BMP's so I can see if they work well together.
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I'd like to make the more common PLA vehicles, but an IFV would be first there, before any MBT's.
iirc the BF EVO vehicles are 1/64 :)
PT-76, i think there's one of those in the jungle rot vietnam-line, listed as 28mm..
as for the t80, i'm fixing up a master that can survive moulding now, it takes a lot of time for me tho :(
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Went over to the jungle rot RLBPS page and "BANG" pt-76 no horrible tracks looks like a very nice model and I will be picking that up this week for the Musorians this helps with keeping to 1 scale for my 28mm I have decided to keep everything to 1/56th so that I have compatibility with the majority of manufactures out there
I don't know what I was thinking earlier it is'nt Sloppy jalopy who makes the AML-90 but Force of arms.
Well I won't rush you Col. being a one man show and all it's just nice knowing that your continuing with the T-80 when you get it done let us know and I wil be one of the first to get one.
1/64 I think is just to small so I will stay away from them.
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Thanks for the heads up. That PT-76 looks rather nice. Given that line is ex London War Room I'm pleasntly surprised at the apparent quality of the sculpts.
You know if you bunged a 1/72 scale T-54 turret on the hull, You' might just have a decent basis for a Chinese Type 63. Would still require a bit of work but....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Type_63_tank_-_above.jpg
The modernised version might be a somewhat more ambitious conversion.
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type63.asp
This has got me thinking. China made a Type 62 light tank which was basically a scaled down T-59. Maybe a suitably modified 1/72 plastic kit of a T-54 or a T-55 would work as one?. as it happens I have a spare T-54 turret in a spares box somewhere, I must investigate this. :)
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Interesting idea :D
Type 62 real 1/56
Length 5,6m m 100 mm
Width 2,9 m 52mm
Height 2.30m 41mm
T55 real 1/72
Length 6.45 m 90mm
Width 3.37 m 47mm
Height 2.40 m 33mm
some modifications would be needed, but it looks like it could be done.
a 1/60 would be best
L 107mm W 56mm H 40mm
Now edited to show the type 62 stats instead of type 63.. o_o
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The Musorians are old school true 25's, or 22mm eye height, sculpted by Mike Broadbent at a guess. They stand noticeably smaller than say the modern French by Kosta but the height variation may play into your hands depending on personal tastes and ethnic representation. I can take comparison photos, but not until mid next week.
As said they are smaller but you could also use their old brits line and Aussies for Vietnam etc which would fit with them and the PLA
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well a small update with pictures to follow later. I received my PT-76 from RLBPS in the mail yesterday and apart from some really heavy flash in the treads it is a nice table top representation of the tank, with lots of potential and the service east coast west coast 3 days was outstanding.The kit consists of 5 components 2 treads 1 gun barrel (metal) turret and hull (resin) few air bubbles and is cast well. Well now that the armor is out of the way I've started on a modular board for all scales it is about 4'x4' and is representative of a wadi(for use in all middleast scenarios) or a dry creek bed/stream for more temperate zones. Once the glue dries I will gett some pictures of it all together. I may even do another set of boards to include a small Afghan ville, not huge just a couple of damaged buildings and tumble down walls? :D I will post pictures as I said later today or tommorrw if I can finish the clean up on the PT-76 thanks again for the suggestion guys.
Derek
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Cheers, look forward to that. Three days post is good for crossing the country? Most of my orders from Copplestone have crossed the globe inside of four working days, some in three. Nineteen days later, I'm still waiting for my order from Empress to show up.
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Well here are the photos of the terrain ala the wadi these boards were done for a game of AA this sunday between myself and my son. He will be the Musorians and their PLA advisors and I will be the insurgents. Carlos 3 days is'nt bad given the U.S. post I'll take it ;) plus I live a little off the beaten path.The first photo is of the entire board(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac340/derekasmith/work%20in%20progress/002-1.jpg)
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac340/derekasmith/work%20in%20progress/005.jpg) The second is of the grove of trees I will be fighting from.
I am usually just a mat terrain guy , but felt I would give it a go witth these boards will keep adding to them as time and scenarios dictate.
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Nice terrain.
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yup, terrain looks nice :)
looking forward to some piccies of the PT-76 ;)
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Well the game's been cancelled so it should give me some more time to finish the pre build of the PT-76(took longer then I thought to clean the tracks) so I will get some pictures of it before I paint it up which I have decided to do in an overall russian green to fit in with as many nations as I can. Thanks I don't know why I have'nt done boards before they were kind of fun for the whole family had my kids slinging paper mache and glue for 2 days lol what a mess, I have decided to do 4 more boards over time. Also hope to have some more recruits done by tommorow.
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Is that a Hillman Hunter in the top photo? Suppose they are in for a rude surprise, holiday wise, when the PT-76 shows up. I'd be tempted to model a picnic blanket and use it and the car as a centrepiece/ objective. :D
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I love that idea and will diffently be doing something along those lines ;) for the game lends itself to some fine narrative I don't know if it is the russian knock off of a hunter hillman but when I bought it it was billed as a Lebda? if I remember right.
Carlos I also got a chance to see the new rhodesians from eureka they are very nice indeed and can't wait for them to go on sale to us the general public.
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Carlos I also got a chance to see the new rhodesians from eureka they are very nice indeed and can't wait for them to go on sale to us the general public.
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Yes I weakened too. I've been asked to paint some up as Armed San Francisco Mens Pride Group, they are just crying out for pink hot pants and rhinestone t-shirts. Roll on the next LAFF comp.
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That's freakin' hilarious lol when your done they have to be posted ,but if your going down that route they have to have feathered plumes!
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I have decided to do in an overall russian green to fit in with as many nations as I can.
i do that aswell with some vehicles, a plain green t-34 works for 50 years of conflicts, saves a lot of space :D
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AMEN to that if I can strecth a vehicles service life to cover all relevent conflicts I will to save space and time as well, have'nt got around to priming the PT-76 yet just finished spraying a kittech T-80 for my 40mm Russian civil war painted in federal colors really happy with how this turned out might post pictures of it in my old russian thread tommorow if I can 1 down 2 to go.
D.
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Looking forward to your pictures of the PT76 as I bought a Solido one awhile ago. I've been thinking of turning it into a wreck as like you mention the wheels are wrong . (ones missing I think) It also looks way too big next to my Corgi M48's and T34/85.
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Hey dan would you like the pictures to be next to figures for scale reference? afraid I have'nt done much with it still I intend to detail it out a bit with stuff from the spares box so would you like to see it before I do all that as well? just let me know and I will try and help out.
Looking to post up this weeks figures this afternoon :D
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Well here are some updated figures that were finished this week and the PT-76 from jungle rot with some added bits and bobs from the spares box.
First up Musorian insurgent , Musorian regular, Musorian special actions (prone) PLA advisor.
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac340/derekasmith/work%20in%20progress/0022.jpg)
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac340/derekasmith/work%20in%20progress/005-1.jpg)
(http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac340/derekasmith/work%20in%20progress/006.jpg)
Next up will be a recoiless rifle insurgent crew and more Musorian regulars.
Still have to do the mantlet cover of the PT-76 with putty and add some stowage and it should be done.
Hope you like :)
more to follow
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Hmmmm, that PT-76 doesn't look too bad at all. I might have to purchase one of those. Still have a bucket load of metal EBR-75s, Panhard AML-60s, saladins and Unimogs to work through first.
Nice detailing work btw.
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Yeah it's a nice little representation straight out of the package and I will be picking up another 2 for force on force for Musoria or they may do triple duty as Syrian and Russian cold war warriors.I had fun detailing this could always do more but chose to keep alot of the fiddly stuff off for gaming, You might even see these pop up in Africa once those RLI come out(quadruple duty) lol
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Help! you guys I am thinking of changing the setting for the fictional Musoria from SE Asia to NW Asia along the Russian Chinese border near the Stan's.
Which brings me to my problem I have never used TAG , but was thinking of using a couple of their modern russian sets for conversions and was wondering how they are in the flesh? I am not concerned with height as I have seen the Redstar scale comparison what concerns me is the faces on some of the figures appear flat?how are they really I know that this is explained as lighting , figure position etc... so just wanted honest opinions' looking for these to be part of a converted spetsnaz team.
The belligerants will be TAG+redstar+Mongrol VDV for special ops ( all conversions) Vs. Kreigspeil + Col. stones compound PLA.
Now my next question is if any one has an extra TAG modern russian laying around and would like to trade so that I can see for my self may be we can set something up I have most ranges?now to go build a bridge.
Thanks
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if you've got a TAG vietnam US infantry figure or a African* they're the same size as the russians
* not including the "teenagerlooking" ones
here's a pretty poor scan of the size compared to the MM afghans
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i295/Col_stone/skanna.jpg)
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Col. thanks for the pictures, I really like that sniper I have plans for him if I get them what range are those seperate heads from? unfortunatly I don't have any TAG never got into them, but pictures like this help in my decision making process. When everyone else was doing 28mm I was doing 32mm WW2 so never had a need until now.
I should have some photos of the PT-76 and some new troops up tommorow( maybe a 15mm surprise ;) in future warsif I can get a good photo)
Thanks again for the comparison pic I'll ask if you have any TAG russians to trade?
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the heads are westwind british paras, i use them to convert TAG russkies to VDV :)
I'll have a look if i have any spare ones.. :)
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That would be great thanks let me know what we can trade for I have some Col.Stone compund PLA if these interest you lol.
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found a MVD RPG-gunner, PM your adress and i'll pop it in the mail for you :)
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Hey fellas so sorry for the very arcane threadmancy with this but I have recently restarted this project after a short break lol .I have been working feverishly on the govt. Troops and some insurgent types to oppose them and the rebels as well. For those who don't know this is going to be set in SE Asia in a sultenate who is backed by the PLA a rebel force aka the Arab spring and some hard core insurgent types...cant forget.the mercenaries used by both sides and the releif forces of France, great Britain and the Usa who are there to bring peace and stop the genocide....I run a couple of different games with what I have using chain reaction and ambush alley contractor troubles...both systems are great for this may try the new sangin rules really like the character based idea.....no need for 50000 million figs just a few to run threw.....loads of pica.to come of in progress and completed stuff as well as some game shots thanks D