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Title: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 14 August 2010, 06:16:00 PM
(BTW if this is too weird for WWII - please move to weird war; I was a bit unsure where to post it!)

I started this conversion project months ago.
The E-Series is just crying to be used as backdrops for my Gear Krieg walkers.
The models were converted within 1 weekend, but after that priming and painting took ages. I always had some other more pressing models on the table.
Anyway - here they are: E-50 and E-75:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/E-50_und_E-75.jpg)

with two Gear Krieg walkers:
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/GK_und_E-Serie.jpg)

E-50
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/E-50_with_IR_MG.jpg)

E-50 out in the woods
(http://www.adpublishing.de/E-50_scenic.jpg)

E-75 Tiger III
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/E-75_4sites.jpg)

E-75 in natural habitat...
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/E-75_scenic.jpg)

Full story, more pics, conversion guide, what models used; all here:
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/experimental_tanks.html (http://www.adpublishing.de/html/experimental_tanks.html)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Weird WWII on 14 August 2010, 06:52:57 PM
Blow are some paintings of the vehicles.

Enjoy,
Brian

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/kampfgruppecottrell/WWII/E75.jpg)
E-75

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/kampfgruppecottrell/WWII/E50.jpg)
E-50
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 14 August 2010, 07:43:50 PM
Whoahh, nice pics!
Where did you find them?
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: answer_is_42 on 14 August 2010, 07:54:19 PM
Very cool, and as ever the painting is flawless. Where are the original figures from?

These are more 'what if?' than WWWII, I think they're fine here, although the walkers don't really fit...
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 14 August 2010, 09:14:24 PM
Where are the original figures from?
as said above...
Full story, more pics, conversion guide, what models used; all here:
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/experimental_tanks.html (http://www.adpublishing.de/html/experimental_tanks.html)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Weird WWII on 15 August 2010, 12:38:52 AM
I write up some short bios on WWII and WWWII stuff on my forum and these were the pics I used of the E-Series article.  Just some Google-Fu and presto, cool art.  Still looking for a painting for the E-5 vehicle.  Below is the article with some pics of the E-25 and E-10.

http://whattheminiatures.com/forum/index.php?topic=547.0

Brian
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 15 August 2010, 07:07:40 AM
Ahh, it is the box art of the 1/35 model kits!
Got it...

(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/E-50_E-75_Maus_scenic.jpg)
Another group shot with Maus...
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: fastolfrus on 15 August 2010, 09:16:10 AM
Very impressive.

Now waiting for the rest of the E series models....
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 15 August 2010, 09:36:43 AM
Very impressive.

Now waiting for the rest of the E series models....
in 20mm see here: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/20mm_german.html (http://www.adpublishing.de/html/20mm_german.html)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: fastolfrus on 15 August 2010, 10:37:47 AM
But we were waiting to see your 15mm versions....
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 15 August 2010, 10:51:30 AM
But we were waiting to see your 15mm versions....
Would love to, but this is way beyond my abilities...
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: fastolfrus on 15 August 2010, 11:12:38 AM
Would love to, but this is way beyond my abilities...

No.
Your skills know no boundaries !
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: abhorsen950 on 15 August 2010, 02:39:28 PM
Very nice painting there, you've done an excellent job!!
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Abbner Home on 15 August 2010, 03:42:11 PM
No.
Your skills know no boundaries !

Surely Agis' skill can't be infinite. That there is no evidence of a boundary does not mean that there is no boundary. It mearly means we mortals cannot see it from our lowly station. :)

The E-series tanks are lovely. I'm trying to convince my wife to let me abandon my job and instead move to Berlin and apprentice with you Agis. She is, alas, firmly against the idea.
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 15 August 2010, 04:49:46 PM
Surely Agis' skill can't be infinite. That there is no evidence of a boundary does not mean that there is no boundary. It mearly means we mortals cannot see it from our lowly station. :)

The E-series tanks are lovely. I'm trying to convince my wife to let me abandon my job and instead move to Berlin and apprentice with you Agis. She is, alas, firmly against the idea.

Guys - you make me blush! o_o :)
Thanks! 8)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 15 August 2010, 05:25:57 PM
Grand work with the painting, camouflage, weathering et al. Just a pity with the running gear on the E-50, it looks a bit too similar to the heavier ones. But that's a rivet-counter's complaint, I guess.
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 15 August 2010, 08:44:09 PM
Grand work with the painting, camouflage, weathering et al. Just a pity with the running gear on the E-50, it looks a bit too similar to the heavier ones. But that's a rivet-counter's complaint, I guess.
It was also one of my concerns, all drawings I saw clearly featured a different tracks and road wheel assembly for the E-50.
But I had to work with the stuff I got...
My reasoning is now that the small Kampfgruppe was field repaired and mounted E-50 turrets to the E-75 hull...
When thinking of the Panther equipped with a Pz IV turret this is not too far fetched...
 ;)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 15 August 2010, 09:49:40 PM
It was also one of my concerns, all drawings I saw clearly featured a different tracks and road wheel assembly for the E-50.
But I had to work with the stuff I got...
My reasoning is now that the small Kampfgruppe was field repaired and mounted E-50 turrets to the E-75 hull...
When thinking of the Panther equipped with a Pz IV turret this is not too far fetched...
 ;)

Yeah, it's a minor quibble, and I feel Bed... bad about bringing it up already. It's a pity there are no hulls more suitable available. You might get away with using a Panther II, but where to find one, and the conversion for that would have to be rather involved, too.
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Calimero on 16 August 2010, 12:32:36 AM

Really nice. I really like the "family shot" with the Maus tank 8)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Weird WWII on 17 August 2010, 09:37:18 AM
Some more E 50 panzer porn for ya.  Looks like a modified Flakpanther turret on the E 50 chassis.  twin 37mm autocannons could really cause some damage.

Brian

(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/kampfgruppecottrell/WWII/E50Flakpanzer.jpg)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 17 August 2010, 11:21:00 AM
Hmm according to my books the E-50 Flak Panzer was planned with a turret mounted 5.5cm Flakzwilling.
I have the 20mm (1/72) Cromwell model on my "To Do" table...
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 17 August 2010, 01:21:35 PM
It does look very similar (to the point of identic) to the Coelian flak turret projected originally for the Panther hull, so I'd say the 37mm is the best bet; then again, one would probably eventually upgun it if the hull and turret allowed for it, so the 55mm isn't that far off, either.
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Weird WWII on 17 August 2010, 10:10:49 PM
Now that I look at it I think those are 55s.

Brian
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 18 August 2010, 07:44:53 AM
Now that I look at it I think those are 55s.
That is the charm with "What If" vehicles, who knows what happened between the drawing board and actually fielding the AFV...
 ;)
Can be either gun, or? 8)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: carlos marighela on 18 August 2010, 09:30:05 AM
I must admit I'm largely immune to panzer porn (well if it postdates about 1935 anyway) but these are really nice conversions, excellent work and because they are paper panzers any artistic licence you take is justifiable IMO.
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Agis on 18 August 2010, 09:41:40 AM
I must admit I'm largely immune to panzer porn (well if it postdates about 1935 anyway) but these are really nice conversions, excellent work and because they are paper panzers any artistic licence you take is justifiable IMO.
Thanks, really thanks.
I had some "ugly" remarks on the FoW forum about these models, so it is good to find some kindred spirits!
 :) 8)
Title: Re: "Paperpanzer" E-50 and E-75 in 15mm (conversion)
Post by: Crayne on 18 August 2010, 09:52:54 AM
Thanks, really thanks.
I had some "ugly" remarks on the FoW forum about these models, so it is good to find some kindred spirits!
 :) 8)

Well, some people get their balls in a twist when you misplace one rivet on a fictional tank. It happens. ;)

Stunning work.