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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: David on August 21, 2010, 08:52:34 AM
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Here is the story behind the game i hope to put on at Skelp
I Will show the progress as it goes along, plus i am going to use Triumph & Tragedy rules for the game.
There is much to be said about hill 731, and the Italian assault on 19th April 1941 is just the epilogue in an epic struggle that could be aptly described as the Verdun of the Greco-Italian war. In fact the description ("Two M 13-40S dodge enemy fire while assaulting Hill 731 in northern Greece on 19 April 1941... The April assault was a success and the Italian forces continued their advance into Greece") is misleading and seem to come from a contemporary Italian propaganda source. Bear in mind that the war ended just a few days after the supposedly successful Italian armoured attack against hill 731 (on 24th April 1941) and the Greeks were already abandoning their positions so as to avoid being encircled by the advancing Germans. The real struggle had already taken place on that hill nearly a month ago, and was a Greek defensive triumph against overwhelming odds.
The hill 731 is not to be found in Northern Greece, but inside Southern Albania, at a distance of about 80 kilometres in a straight line from the Greek border. The hill was one of the key positions along the central part of the front, which had stabilized in early March 1941 along the furthest limit of the Greek advance in the winter of 1940/41. Since the hill overlooked the Italian positions and dominated the terrain features to the right and to the left, it became the initial objective for the great Italian spring offensive (operation `Primavera') that was supposed to effect a breakthrough in the central part of the front and at least save the prestige of the Italian army through the achievement of a credible tactical victory before the anticipated German intervention would eventually defeat Greece. For this reason (the honour of the Italian army was at stake) the Duce himself arrived at the front to watch the offensive. Incidentally, this is the only Italian operation of World War II that was supervised personally from just behind the front by Benito Mussolini. The attack was planned by the Italian 11th Army which controlled three Army Corps (IV,VIII, and XXV). Eventually, eleven out of the thirty Italian Divisions in Albania participated in the offensive. The Greek forces opposite them consisted mainly of the B(êta = 2nd) Army Corps, that initially had six Infantry Divisions under command.
The attack started at 06:30 of 9th March 1941. The VIII Italian Army Corps attacked with 3 Divisions in the first echelon (`Pinerolo', `Puglie', and `Cagliari') and 2 Divisions in the second (`Bari', and `Siena'). `Pinerolo' was to assault hill `Kiafe Luzit' to the SW of hill 731; `Bari' to assault hill 731; and `Cagliari' to assault hill 717-`Bregu Rapit' to the NE of hill 731. Opposite them the Greeks had 3 Infantry Battalions in the first line, all belonging to the I Infantry Division: III/4 was on top of `Kiafe Luzit', II/5 on 731 and III/5 on 717. The initial attack was supported by 400 Italian mountain, field and heavy artillery pieces, plus their air force (around 400 aircraft of various types). A titanic struggle ensued, as the initial forces of both sides were decimated and replaced with fresh troops from the reserves, under the relentless bombardment of the opposing artilleries.
To make a long story short, the Italian offensive exhausted itself (after 18 days of continuous assaults) on 26th March 1941. Neither the hill 731 nor any other Greek front position was taken; and this despite 20 distinct attacks directed against hill 731. The local terrain was transformed from a wooded hill into a lunar landscape; a crater field where the bodies and parts of bodies of Italian and Greek soldiers were strewn and decomposing. The Italians eventually created their monument of the Greco-Italian War in the vicinity of 731. During their spring offensive they suffered about 11.800 casualties. The Greeks suffered about 5.300 casualties.
The Italian tank supported attack that is alluded in your post took place on the 11th day of the offensive (on Wednesday, 19th March 1941), as follows: The Italian command, after the failure of the Divisions `Pinerolo' and `Bari' to occupy hill 731, decided to use fresh troops from the `Siena' Division. The attack was preceded by a huge artillery bombardment all along the front of the Greek I Infantry Division, which started just before daybreak (at 06:15). The Greek Infantry Battalion that defended hill 731 was the III/19 under the command of Captain Koutridês. This unit originally belonged to the Macedonian VI I.D. but had been sent as reinforcements to the Thessalian I I.D. Its soldiers tried to survive the bombardment in their dugout shelters that had been made bombproof through the addition of rows of tree trunks on their top. All the sentries or observers that were watching for enemy activity from exposed positions during the drumfire were killed – in some cases disappearing without a trace of their bodies left. At 06:30 the Italian artillery concentrations were suddenly moved to the Greek rear and the `Siena' troops commenced their assault. In front was a M 13/40 tank leading the way. Immediately behind that tank came an elite `Arditi' Company (consisting of 5 officers and 146 men), individually selected from the troops of the 31st Infantry Regiment, and having had extensive training in the cooperation with tanks. Behind the `Arditi' followed two more tanks, with a fourth some way back. The tanks had approached unnoticed, their engine noise been drowned by the artillery preparation. The tank-`Arditi' group was approaching rapidly followed by the whole of the 31st I.R. which was advancing in three parallel battalion strength columns.
The first M13/40 crossed the Greek trenches before the defenders could get out of their dugouts and occupied the top of hill 731, all the time firing with its gun and machine guns. The defenders' two 65 mm. mountain guns had been neutralized by the bombardment, along with one of the two 37 mm. antitank guns. The crew of the second 37 mm. gun (pak 36) panicked and abandoned their weapon without firing. As the defenders realized that an attack was underway they tried to get into the firing trenches but these had already been occupied by the `Arditi.' A panic ensued and many men of the 9th and 10th Companies fled to the positions of the reserve 11th Company where they stopped.
There follows a personal account:
"Corporal Geôrgios Dêmêtriou, who belonged to the platoon of Sergeant Major Theodôros Zêkos, cried `The Italians are at the top!' One of the squad leaders of the platoon, Sergeant Theodôros Mylônas, was sheltering in a dugout along with six other men of his squad. He heard Italian voices outside the entrance of his dugout and immediately ordered his men in a low voice: `Do not move! The entrance to the dugout lies very low; they won't find us out!' However, rifleman Sôtêrios Dramigos who stood next to the dugout entrance panicked and before the others could restrain him jumped out of the dugout holding his hands high and tried to surrender to the Italians calling to them `Bono Italiano!' The Italians saw him and threw an offensive grenade that burst between Dramigos and the dugout entrance wounding him severely in the back.
One Italian soldier armed with a light machine gun approached the fallen Greek and finding the dugout entrance started jumping up and down and shouting `Greco, Greco!' He emptied the magazine of his weapon inside the dugout in a continuous burst. A second Italian approached and threw two grenades inside the dugout. Five out of six soldiers inside were hit, each one of them several times. Only rifleman Geôrgios Giomtzoglou survived unscathed because he was sheltering in the deepest part of the dugout. He later narrated that he heard the wounded Sergeant Mylônas cry out `(apply pressure and) stop my blood (from spilling), stop my blood!', but he was riddled by the machine gun fire and died a few moments later.
The counterattack of the 9th Company threw the Italians back and the Greeks regained the dugout entrance. They helped Giomtzoglou to come out. The first thing he saw was the Italian machine gunner lying dead in front of the entrance. He was helped by the others to drag the five Greeks from the dugout and they were all dead."
Meanwhile, the machine gun platoon leader Second Lieutenant of the Reserve Kônstantinos Rountos directed the fire of his 4 HMGs against the ports and slits of the tank, using belts of AP bullets, and managed to `blind' it so that its MGs stopped firing. Two Second Lieutenants, Mademlês and Tzathas, approached the tank and lobbed grenades at it. In fact Tzathas momentarily climbed on top of the tank looking for an opening to throw a grenade inside.
The tank reversed course and started to retreat towards the Italian lines. The tank leader (a second lieutenant) and the gunner (an NCO) had been killed by the AP bullets and the driver panicked and drove the tank back. The other tanks seeing the first one retreating and coming themselves under fire by the 2 65 mm. Greek guns that had been manned by their crews, as well as the general artillery defensive barrage landing around them, reversed course and abandoned the `Arditi' inside the Greek positions. The first retreating tank came to a halt after one of its tracks was broken and was abandoned.
After the Greeks inspected it they later wrecked it with artillery fire. One of the other tanks fell into the deep gorge of `Proï Math' and was likewise wrecked. The main body of the assaulting 31st I.R. fell into the Greek defensive artillery barrage and was decimated. It did not press with its attack.
In the meantime the Greeks counterattacked from the right with two platoons from the 11th (reserve) Company, led by the Company commander Captain Basileios Staurogiannopoulos. At the same time whatever troops could be found around the Battalion command post were led by the Battalion C.O. himself in a counterattack from the left. These simultaneous counterattacks, helped all along by the continuous fire of the machine gun platoon and the steady fire of the adjacent front line Companies (nos. 10/19 to the right and 9/19 to the left) that had not been shaken, started to press and surround the `Arditi.' After a two hour struggle with grenades and bayonets the `Arditi' were overcome and hill 731 was again in Greek hands (08:30). A Greek Second Lieutenant of the Reserve by the name of Dêmokritos Raphtoudês, who was a platoon leader in the 11th Company, killed an Italian with a single punch.
All the `Arditi' were killed except for a wounded Second Lieutenant, one Sergeant, one Corporal and two soldiers who were taken prisoner. No mercy was shown because they were seen killing Greeks who tried to surrender or defensless men immobilized inside the dugouts. As described previously two of the attacking tanks were wrecked by the Greek artillery and the other two retreated back to their own lines. Greek casualties were 3 Officers and more than 30 O.R. dead, as well as 4 Officers and more than 100 O.R. wounded.
The Italian artillery kept a steady bombardment of the hill during the morning. At 10:00 15 Italian aircraft bombed and strafed hill 731 and the interior of the defensive position. By 14:00 the front was relatively quiet. Two platoons of the II/33 I.B. were brought up to replace the casualties...
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Sounds good and looking forwards to seeing how it progresses. :)
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Ok here an update :)
I have painted the Italian tanks :o
Should have washed the resin model M13-40 better, the undercoat did not seem to stick on some parts?
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Not 100% sure about what Northern greece and Southern Albania (Lime stone mountains) looks like apart from The U tube film i saw in colour. any good colour pictures would be great?
so i hope it close ???
Here is a list of books i have so far, if you know of any others let me know
Air war for Yogoslavia Greece and Crete 1940-41 By Christopher Shores
An abridged histroy of the Greek - Italian & Greek - German war 1940-1941(Land operation)
Greece against the Axis by S Cassson
Heroes fight like Greeks By Ronald J Drez
The Hollow Legions by Mario Cervi
The Balkans and north Africa 1941-1942 By Will Fowler
Italian Armored Vehicles of WW2 by Nicola Pignato.
Italian Medium Tanks in Action.
The Italian Army at war Europe 1940-41 By Philip Jowett & Dmitriy Zgonnik
Regio Esercito : the Italian Royal Army In Mussolini's wars 1935-1943 By Patrick Cloutier
The next will be the Italian infantry
David
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That's a great looking collection there, David! Just Awesome!
<briefly considers dropping all current projects and buying some Italian tanks...>
<Must... resist...>
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Nicely done David and makes a change to see Italian tanks out of desert yellow! :)
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Dave, me old china!!!! They're really, really, really gorgeous....things of beauty...I am gobsmacked o_o o_o o_o I'm (sniff, sniff, sob) so proud of (sniff, sob) you.
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There are ok :)
But they look even better then the picture ;), camera not the best :(
i will buy a new one in a few months, after i have payed my caster :'(
only four weeks to go so i need to speed up and paint the rest of the display :o
David
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Very nice, looking forward to more!
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Nice looking M13 tanks and their ... babys. :)
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I have found some new information from one of the books :D
I can see me painting my foundry German para's next for a fun game and use a scater dice for there weapons containers, and see if they can get there weapons before the Greek kill them ::) read below
AT FIVE-THIRTY on April 6th, Germany formally declared war on both Greece and Jugoslavia. I jumped into my car once more and drove at full speed northwards. War had begun, and I was immensely grateful that our troops were in their positions and ready, few though they were in numbers. We drove with all possible speed and reached our quiet camp at nine at night. This time it was a different journey. We watched for the first enemy aircraft and for the inevitable Messer-schmitts and Dorniers who were bound to sully the Greek skies. But the skies were clear. At our Headquarters we worked late into the night, arranging for immediate liaison with the Jugoslav armies, and between them and the Greeks. It was reported that certain Jugoslav frontier elements had already joined hands with the Greeks. We strove to find out the Jugoslav dispositions and the German intentions.
The next day our own aircraft reported heavy German attacks all along the Greek fortress line. Air photographs revealed that the German batteries had concentrated on every fort. Great black smc; in darkened the snow of Mt. Beles ridge, and further east Rupel was an inferno of flame and shell. Later in the day we heard that two hundred German parachutists had dropped behind the Rupel fort, exactly in the region where we had warned the Greeks that parachutists were most likely to be dropped. It did not take the Greeks long to deal with this threat. Of those two hundred parachutists one hundred and seventy were killed and the rest taken prisoner. No better anti-parachutist troops will you find than Greeks, who have been accustomed to rough Balkan fighting of precisely the same kind. What the Balkan fighter lacks in equipment compared with the modern parachu-tist-de-luxe, he makes up in speed of action. Those German parachutists at Rupel had hardly had time to collect themselves and look round for their grenades, their heavy machine guns, their charges of explosive and their mortars, when the lightly armed Greeks were on them. Indeed, they seem to have fallen directly into an ambush prepared for them. Old proverbs have a solid core of truth. "Hoist with his own petard" seems the most appropriate comment on this event.
I am looking for other little actions like this to play. and does anybody do german mountain troops in 28mm?
David
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Brigade do them and very nice they are too.
What figs are you using for Greeks?
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=22331.0
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the one's by the wee tanks, which i got made for myself to fight my Italian's.
should have most of the range for a platoon out by the end of this month.
probley need to make some different heads with different head gear, since they used british and french helmets etc
Got some information from Greece today, which point out some information on the WWW greek army pictures was wrong.
but it does not effect what i have done so far.
The german mountain troops are in winter gear which is no good for Greece, if they did not have the thick gloves then you could get away with it :(
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Ok just got some nice pictures of my greeks done today :)
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What a difference a great camera makes.
Hope you enjoy them
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Nice Greeks... Great painting! Who produces these miniatures? Or are you proxying?
I read that you were looking pictures of the mountain in the North-West of Greece. I might have some pictures from when I was there with my parents some years ago. Should they not be at their house in Greece, I'll post some here if you'd like. Other than that, have a look if there are any uploaded pictures in Google Maps.
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I got them made for my self, i went round all the WW2 suppliers asking if they were going to make them and got a "No as a answer" I was not going to produce them for anybody else, due to how little time i have free.
But Marco in the club offered to do all the work, since he runs Rifraf miniatures.
The main reason is not many people will see this Display Game since it in Scotland.
Proxying no, just showing people the histroy of the Greeks in WW2, since they lasted longer than most countrys.
Plus i am going to translate loads of information from Greek to English and have it on a disk (CD or DVD)for Free so people can find out more about this period of Greek histroy, colour pictures of uniforms etc.
Since i knew nothing about the Greek campain and had not relasied there was one till 6 months ago and that was an shock since i have played WW2 for 30 years, but did know about Crete.
There is small bits on the web, but is hard to find. Books there is only 3 to 4 on the campain and not much detail.
I hope this answers you questions
David
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Thank you for the reply, David.
The miniatures look great and it is a pity you won't be producing them. I find it rather disappointing that no one is producing Greeks in that scale. If not the regular Greek army, some Cretan partisans deserve to be out there as good sculps. I don't know why no company has given them a try... especially with the importance of that battlefield for the development of the 2nd WW. You can proxy Greeks for the North African campaign with some British, but that's about it. I wish one of the big WW2 producers like BAM, Brigade or Artizan would give some Greeks a try.
Have you seen the 11th Day documentary? I would recommend it.
Regards,
Dimitris
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I you want some of the figures you will be able to getting them from Rif Raf Miniatures since he has the internet all set up for his minitures and i don't have the time.
But they will be under my name Burns Miniatures.
you shoud be able to buy them October i you want some.
I have a Lebel VB Grenade Launchers made and a HMG as well.
The next is a standing Lmg team, third crew for HMG and a Feild telephone man.
the Artillery crew should be next, then heavy mortar, some more officers with putty and boots artillery range finder and 65mm mountain gun and the 75mm as well.
then i will look to see if they used there cavalry and maybe some Evzone infantry
have to find out what 37mm anti tank gun they used?
This range was design for me to fight my italians and Germans para's, mountain troops and infantry in north Greece.
As i learn more i will make other figures, i also have to find out what colour the germen panzers and British tanks were in Greece campain, but i will get there.
The best site i have found so far is
http://ww2greece.wargaming.info/index.htm
Thanks
David
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Brilliant! I'll have a look in October! Thanks.
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My friend, the 37mm anti tank that Greece used was the ... pak 36. :o
They bought 12-16 from Germany and used them exlusively in the ''Metaxas line'', against ...German Gebirsjager. :)
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There is a good potential to make WW2 Greeks conversions.
Use Tiger miniatures with Italian helmets. (Don't ask, I do not know which are suitable, never tried it)
Some units (in the fortresses of metaxa line) used french adrian helmet.
As for evzones the balkan wars evzones (later uniform) by Tiger Miniatures can be used in WW2 as well. usually they charged without helmet (in fez). The minus in this project is that all Tiger miniatures are without the long coats.
Tiger miniatures balkan wars Greeks can be painted as they are to represent gendarmerie and cadet units that were present in the battle of Crete. Both units were in kepi. During battle of Cete there was a couple of greek regiments as well. These were under train. I doubt if they had the regular equipment of the greek army of the time. I suspect that a good proxy could be the use of balkan war equipment.
Someting of importance: Greek army still uses the same rifle.
Alas, noone produces any suitable figures for cretan partizans. You may convert some figures wearing riding breeches, boots and shirt. Heads could be bare or with a kind of bandana. Weapons any kind: captured german equipment, obsolete weapons of pre WW1 weaponry, or modern WW2 british equipment.
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"Thanks arktos" Thats great that its the pak 36, i can get one in 28mm of BAM.
Yes i have looked at the Tiger ranges and had like there American - spanish range and got some.
I had also looked at the other ranges for conversion for WW2 Greek army, Tiger miniatures Greeks can be painted as they are to represent gendarmerie and cadet units for crete would be great, but i will have to find photo of them first to check against tiger miniatures.
I am happy to make some cretan partizans as long as i can get some good photo of them and Greek partizans.
the main problem is which one since they all had different clothes for different regions?
These are the only ones i could find
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=113888&sid=53ca9b943b28a270bdbc65d22ce17220
http://www.google.co.uk/images?rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACAW_enGB353&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1285&bih=537&q=WW2%20cretan%20partizans&tbs=isch:1
http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-gb%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW_enGB353&biw=1285&bih=537&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=WW2+greek+partizans&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
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It is very interesting to see someone is planning to do some WW2 greek soldiers and partizans.
Unfortunately it is hard to find at least online some good photos. I will try to find some and I will post them to you.
1.- The first photo on the axis forum is good to see how they looked like at early stage WW2 in Crete.
It is not difficult to represent them. Remember the island has left without weapons since Metaxas regime feared that Cretans would rebel etc. Military equipment was moved to the mainland to support the army.
During the invasion cretans took whatever weapon was found (even stones and knives) and tried to stop ferman paratroopers.
At that time civilian dress was used. I said it is not difficult to make them. riding breeches/boots and shirt (hot weather in may) plus the bandana.
2.- I will do some search in greek over the google and I will try to find some interesting photos.
3.- Concerning gendarmery: Several years ago gendarmerie was amalgamated with police force and is modern day Police in Greece. Unfortunately online photos are nil. During the WW2 gendarmerie had a similar uniform like that of the balkan war army. Kepi, long coat, riding breeches and black boots. the difference was a silver cord on their left shoulder. standing colar and white/silver chevrons. Officers carried a full english army uniform of the time. Other ranks carried a Gras rifle, while the mannlichers were given to the army. Uniform colour of NCOs and other ranks (in fact lowest rank was corporal i.e. 2 chevrons- french style at the lower sleeve) was olive green! officers wore british khaki uniforms.
4. The cadets that fought in Crete were the junior cadets of the first class. The senior classes 2nd and 3rd year were drafted as officers and subalterns in the army, immediately upon the outbreak of the war. they had a uniform of the same cut as earlier (WW1/balkan wars) but much brown in colour. Their priping officially was yellow. I have seen only one drawing of a cadet with carrying a hotchkiss gun (??). they had boots,
More later
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Thanks there is very limited information on ths subject in English, there is more on crete and on the british army campain and the germans.
David
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Hi Dave they do look rather spiffing. Nice bit of painting. What are the smaller (Italian looking) vehicles?
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They are L3/35 light tanks
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Here a quick update since i have some painting left to do today
Hopefully when i take some pictures at the show in better light it will look ok
might need to put some more grass on ? but it had be hit by a few 1000 shells etc.
Pak 36 and Italian's are BAM
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David
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Here an update on the display at the show.
It came second :o
Fun day out and it was very popular, hopefully some of the people who saw the display will comment?
Falkirk Wargames Club 28mm WW2 Heros Fight Like Greeks Demo
RAF Leuchars 28mm Western Magnificent Seven Participation
Bathgate wargames Club 28mm Victorian Victorian Vampire Game
Independent Wargames Brigade 6mm WW2 Hell'z'awaitin Amphibious ops in the pacific
TNG Little Men - re-live your childhood - your bedroom carpet,your collection of toy soldiers and elastic bands Participation
Gourock Wargames Club 1/1200 ACW The Battle of Chesapeake 1781
League of Augsburg 28mm Napoleonic The Battle of Shervadino
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Just to let you know that the display game will be at leeds show Fiasco Sun 31st October.
so if you are at the show, feel free to have a look and a chat or even join in game.
Using Triumph & Tragedy rules
Thanks
David
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Which manufacturer does the italians ?
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Italian done by Bolt action miniatures, shame they are redoing the range at the minute, should be back in 6 months? as was said at last show to my brother. (SELWG)
I have some 25/28mm Battle honours Italians which are not bad, will stick a picture up when i have painted them.
David
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Thanks David ;)
Can BATTLE HONOURS italians be mixed with BAM italians ?
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Not sure, but have ordered some infantry and Alpine troops which i should get in 4 weeks.
http://oldglory15s.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1_221_222_519_520&sort=3a
I only have got the artillery men and they will fit in OK
Infantry Gun and Crew (Europe) ITAL-16 One Gun With Crew
plus i have some 47mm anti tank guns of a Italian frim.
I will put them up when painted
Thanks
David.
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Thank you, David.
It's a nice project you have here ;)
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OK all done, all i need to do is get up at the right time :?
OK 5am is 4am will my clock auto-change time? do i set one at 4am and one at 5am ???
I think i will phone tim when i get up to be sure ;)
Hope to see you all there
David
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It was a great looking game David, infinitely better in the flesh! Good to put a face to the name too. :)
I'll post up my pics when I get chance, but I doubt they're any better than the ones already up here.
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Thanks Jim
The day started 3am, yes got it wrong :?
The show was good as in the the load of questions i was asked about the game.
I could not get anybody to try the game :( most were only there for a short time and had loads of buying to do.
Shame the game would have been great fun.
David
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The day started 3am, yes got it wrong :?
Same here, but I went back to bed... although I slept an extra two hours :?
Anyway, here's my amateurish pics of the layout...
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TM7hfkHriOI/AAAAAAAACMo/nV_UQ9ISouw/s720/GI%20001.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TM7hgpaOY2I/AAAAAAAACMs/u7uT94gVTws/s720/GI%20002.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TM7hhL3PrYI/AAAAAAAACMw/Z23Z-cEz8qc/s720/GI%20003.JPG)
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TM7hhccRXlI/AAAAAAAACM0/u7fny-IJtwE/s720/GI%20004.JPG)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TM7hhxahTFI/AAAAAAAACM4/ZUbZNrWIiqI/s720/GI%20005.JPG)
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TM7iHf--7QI/AAAAAAAACNA/4rYZdYiboVc/s720/GI%20006.JPG)
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Saw the game but didn't get a chance to talk.
Would have cheerfully played it given a chance, we were there most of the day.
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I was asked today if i ever finished this display
see pictures above
i have completed all the greek figures i want for the new ww2 rules
hope to put on another display some time in the future, but on another battle.
i will put up some new pictures some time soon
David
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Its a shame no body played, hope you got a chance to role this table out for another go.
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I am astonished! Well done!!!
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Good looking figures David,what scale are they!?
Best regards
Gui
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It is a 28mm display
Italians are Bolt action figures, which i got loads just before they were taken off the market :D :-[
Italian Tanks are Army group north miniatures AGN-IT001 - M13/40 Medium Tank
Greeks are Burns miniatures.
Shame i don't have the display anymore.
I was going to try Bolt action rules for my greeks and italians, but need to work out list for them first. since they will be the last to be released in the army list.
Bolt action did say at a show in july, that they would have the Italians rerelease SOON and before the end of the year.
David