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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: General Roos on 31 August 2010, 06:15:46 PM
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Does anyone know of any 28mm soldiers from the Falklands conflict?
I found the Gripping Beast miniatures but they looks rather crude.
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I quite like the beasts figures myself, look a lot better painted, but for brits there's the mongrel minis http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=481_486&zenid=8d85d4518d833e8b4f083db04cf32c78 (http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=481_486&zenid=8d85d4518d833e8b4f083db04cf32c78) and that's the limit of my knowledge, till the request for any info from long term memorey comes back.
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Thanks Voltan!
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Try Eureka, they have a lot of modern stuff. Maybe you can use something...
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I am pretty sure that the Gripping Beast (Mo-Fo) Falklands War figures and the Mongrel BOAR British figures were sculpted by the same person so they will mix. I also reckon both ranges capture the look if the British soldier or marine of that era, right down to the way they are holding their weapons, absolutely perfectly.
Pete
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I have both MO-FO and Mongrel Brits, the Mo-Fo ones are quite chunky but nice, they offer a range of options for a deal from Marine berets to helmets. The Mongrel brits are all in helmets. Both ranges were indeed sculpted by Soapy, seems strange but they do not match one another. For me, the Mo-Fo ones are 'right' for the Falklands, kit, weapons and attitudes (plus moustaches). The Mongrel ones are good for the What If? Third World War in Germany, match what I want and they have a great range of Russians and East Germans
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I have both MO-FO and Mongrel Brits, the Mo-Fo ones are quite chunky but nice, they offer a range of options for a deal from Marine berets to helmets. The Mongrel brits are all in helmets. Both ranges were indeed sculpted by Soapy, seems strange but they do not match one another. For me, the Mo-Fo ones are 'right' for the Falklands, kit, weapons and attitudes (plus moustaches). The Mongrel ones are good for the What If? Third World War in Germany, match what I want and they have a great range of Russians and East Germans
I am almost sure the Mongrel Brits are by Paul Hicks
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I'm also sure that it was hicksy who did the mongrel stuff
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aren't they mixed between them?
SAS soapy & the rest Hicks?
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The Mo-Fo ones look about the best for the Falklands. The figures might appear stocky, but if you check out photos from the war, they do look like that when wearing DPM over the Chinese fighting suit. Certainly the choice of heads was inspired, including 'Dangerous Brians', just a shame there aren't any DILAC caps to complete the range. The poses mostly seem natural too.
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It was the Mo-Fo poses that made me buy them. Absolutely spot on.
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The MOFO are nice sculpts TBH I have their Brits and they fit in well with mongrel (The Mongtrel SAS are also Hicks I think - the MOFO ones are soapy combining gives a nice little sabre team :D)
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The Mo-Fo ones do look nice and yes I agree the posing looks about right. In a perfect world someone would do Chileans to match their Argentines. Then I could game the war that nearly happened betwen the two in 1978.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Soberan%C3%ADa
Oh well, dream on.....
If you were to think 20mm instead of 28mm Combat Miniatures did a brilliant little range for the Falklands, and it makes it a damn sight easier getting the supporting weapons. Still it would be nice to see someone do Grytviken and model a 28mm scale Argentine Corvette.
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Hey Carlos, there is a very good film about that conflict between Argentina and Chile. The film is a joint Chilean/Argentine production call Mi mejor enemigo(My Best enemy). I saw it at a Latin American film festival some years back after a Chilean friend recommended it. If you haven't already seen it try to find a copy if you can.
Andrew
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Many thanks, I've not seen that one although I do see some naughty individual has posted what looks like the whole film on youtube.
I did pick up a copy of Iluminados por el fuego in BsAs a few years ago, very good little film about the Falklands/ Malvinas War from an Argentine perspective. If you've seen that wonderful scam film by Bielensky Nuevas reinas/ Nine Queens you'll recognise the lead actor Gaston Pauls.
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Many thanks, I've not seen that one although I do see some naughty individual has posted what looks like the whole film on youtube.
I did pick up a copy of Iluminados por el fuego in BsAs a few years ago, very good little film about the Falklands/ Malvinas War from an Argentine perspective. If you've seen that wonderful scam film by Bielensky Nuevas reinas/ Nine Queens you'll recognise the lead actor Gaston Pauls.
Thanks Carlos. On Amazon it's called "Blessed by Fire." I typed in your title and both appeared.
I've ordered the movie so I'll wait and see.
Cheers,
Helen
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Pleasure, I think you'll enjoy it. It really deals with the shitty treatment the Argentine veterans received during and after the war. When I was there I had a look around to see if I couldn't find a Malvinas campaign medal. seemed to be as rare as hens teeth and when I did locate one they were very expensive. Nazi medals, on the other hand, were two a penny.
The Malvinas memorial in BsAs is a rather curious affair, sitting as it does almost in the shadow of a clock tower that was based on Big Ben. Highlights the considerable irony of the war as there is a substantial British expat community in Argentina with Polo and cricket clubs, even English speaking private schools.
Not war related but if you fancy seeing a good recent film on the Dirty War era, look out for Kamchatka, about a family on the run from the junta. Great film.
Oh and I watched the youtube version of Mi mejor enimigo, that was wonderful thanks for the tip. I will now have to buy a copy to assuage my guilt. Put it on the shelf next to Machuca, the other great Chileno film of the decade.
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Thanks Carlos. I also ordered "Argentine Fight for the Falklands " so I'm looking forward in reading this accout.
Has anyone bought a copy of "Falklands War then and Now" on the conflict? If so any recommendations please, Thank you.
Helen
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Thanks Carlos. I also ordered "Argentine Fight for the Falklands " so I'm looking forward in reading this accout.
Has anyone bought a copy of "Falklands War then and Now" on the conflict? If so any recommendations please, Thank you.
Helen
Desperately want to, but just can't afford it :'(
There was an older, smaller version published some years back as part of the magazine series. That was very good, so I'd hope this is a bigger and better version. All the reviews I've seen have been very positive and a couple of old mates who fought there said it is very accurate and evocative.
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Thanks GM. I saw some reviews and they were quite good.
I too in my army days met a Para sergeant on exchange who had been to the Falklands and was actually wounded by small arms.
Cheers,
Helen
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Razors Edge is also an excellent book. Dont be put off by the cover (Thatcher in an eyepatch!).
The information it contains on the infantry battles is very good, especially for Wargamers.
(hmmm..where did i put my copy again... lol)
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Kevin Dallimore's GB Argies posted on Steve Dean's site
http://www.sdean-forum.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24168
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Wow, nice eye candy! Inaccurately but none the less, prettily, painted.
Must remember to add GB moderns to my list.
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Is it just me or are South Americans generally poorly represented in miniature?
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No, it's not just you. The only dedicated ranges I can think of are the Grenadier Productions range for the wars of independence, the old Frei Corps War of the Triple Alliance range and the recently announced plastic Paraguayans from Wargames Factory (which look like fairly ordinary sculpts), all in 15mm. IIRC someone was talking about or possibly producing a small range of 15mm figures for the War of the Pacific.
Trouble is, there is next to zero knowledge of the various conflicts in the Anglophone world and as such not much interest, which is a considerable pity as not only are some of the wars rather interesting in and of themselves but they feature exotic uniforms and equipment. Even the rather good Foundry book on the War of the Triple Alliance/Guerra do Paraguai hasn't seemed to spark much interest. And there's the other problem. Much of the source material is in either Spanish or Portuguese, which makes it a non-starter for the bulk of the wargaming world.
I've been toying with the idea of commissioning a decent range for the latter in 28mm. Possibly a project for next year starting with Paraguayan and Brazilian infantry.
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I've been toying with the idea of commissioning a decent range for the latter in 28mm. Possibly a project for next year starting with Paraguayan and Brazilian infantry.
I have also been thinking along the same lines... I didn't get past thinking about it, though. I have the foundry book, so the sculptor wouldn't need too much more info than the dolly pics, right?
I did consider converting napoleonics, but that is probably beyond my means at this stage. Also, a 28mm Artigas and gaucho contingent would be magnificent.
Also, you mentioned playing out the Argentine/Chilean conflict. From a quick bit of research it looks like they used a stallhelm, and still do but it is perhaps ceremonial more than anything else.
There are some decent pics in this article:
http://susanrosenthal.com/general/what-happened-in-chile-an-analysis-of-the-health-sector-before-during-and-after-allendes-administration
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By 1978 they were both wearing US M1 pots with field dress. The principal difference between the two is the personal equipment and the small arms. The Chilean Army carried the Swiss SiG 510, which is a fairly distinctive looking weapon. Their marines used HK G-3s. The Argentines, of course, used FALs. If you were doing this in 6mm or even 15mm you could get away with West Germans for the 1980s, like the Ros Heroics ones. Of course it's such a niche interest I can't see anyone wanting to make them and about the only other thing 1970s Chilean troops were useful for was murdering their own people (bit like the Argentines actually). Fun scenario though, as the Brazilian army mobilised along the southern frontier when it discovered the Argentines had.
I probably will go down the commissioning route for the WTA next year. I have a sculptor in mind and would probably sell them through Eureka.
Some generic gaucho types would be useful, you can cover off about half a dozen small wars with these as either Argentines or Brazilians. The Guerra Cisplatina has always been my pet project. The Argentines can be converted from Perry French and the Brazilians from Portuguese, if you aren't too fussy. I have a wonderful Brazilian army staff study from the 1920s that has probably more than everything you ever wanted to know about it.
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late to the party - but the Mo-Fo Falklands War stuff is lovely... have loads of the Brits and some of the Argies... they paint up really nicely...