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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: WarGameGuru on October 04, 2010, 03:02:37 PM
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I've posted a review of the Wargames Factory Shock Troops boxed set today. Here's a little snipit from it...
These are some of the most highly anticipated plastic models to be released in 2010. After a few shipping delays, and then packaging delays they're finally among us. The Wargames Factory Greatcoat Troopers eventually were renamed the Shock Troopers on the packaging, but elsewhere they're still called the Greatcoat Troopers on the very same packaging. So what to call them is a little confusing at first. I'll just refer to them as the Shock Troopers throughout this article.
What separates most of the Wargames Factory stuff from the majority of the competition, is that they use 3D CAD software to create the models, instead of using a traditional physical model sculptor. They also have in place what they call the Liberty and Union League, which is a program where if a person suggests an idea for a sprue, and if 1,000 people promise to pre-order that sprue, then they'll put that sprue into production, and it can become the next project from Wargames Factory. The person who submitted the idea is rewarded with 10x of those sprues, and is given a $100 gift certificate for Wagames Factory products too. Wargames Factory is also based here in the US, right outside of Boston, Massachusetts.
Upon opening the box you'll find six plastic sprues worth of models. Each sprue is identical, and you can make 3 models from each sprue. Therefore this is an 18 model boxed set of Shock Troopers. I also counted 38 pieces per sprue total.
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http://wargameguru.weebly.com/review---wargames-factory-shock-troops-models.html
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These are some of the most highly anticipated plastic models to be released in 2010
seriously? were they? ;D
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seriously? were they? ;D
Well they were pushed back once due to a shipping delay, and then after that there were delays with the packaging, and many had pre-ordered them to boot. I can't think of any other sci-fi models released this year that were as anticipated as these due to so many variables, not just based on how cool they are. Can you name another, or was the sole purpose of your post to poke fun, and be sarcastic, just because?
The fact remains, while I don't play 40k much anymore, it and Warmachine are probably the most played, and the most in the spotlight war-skirmishgames games out there, and that crowd, especially the Imperial Guard players, have eagerly awaited the release of these models more than anyone else. That's a pretty big crowd too.
I bet Wargames Factory has cashed in nicely on the massive 40k player base with these models.
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never anything exciting about their plastics... only good for conversion fodder, but then you don't need a box of 20 of the things and single sprue shipping isn't cost effective... besides they've been out for ages... nothing new about the Liberty League thing either - Eureka beat them to that.
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never anything exciting about their plastics... only good for conversion fodder, but then you don't need a box of 20 of the things and single sprue shipping isn't cost effective... besides they've been out for ages... nothing new about the Liberty League thing either - Eureka beat them to that.
Yes but Wargames Factory gave Eureka full credit for that too. I you define "ages" as a couple of months, I guess you could say the Shock Troops have been out forever. However I don't feel 2-3 months tops is "ages", and it's still quite a relevant product.
I cover and produce articles based on the order which I receive the products too, and some companies I guess are just slower than others at sending stuff out, as the Mantic Games Stuff and Wargames Factory stuff ended up in my hands not all that long ago, and then I had to go through the other products that arrived ahead of them first to be fair.
I think relevancy is totally a matter of opinion too.
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I'm not going down that road again ::)
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The set I was really looking forward to was Greek hoplites - I've been waiting 32 years since I last managed to get hard plastic ancients.
(Rospaks did a small range of hard plastic 25mm Greeks, Macedonians, Persians)
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and the majority of todays plastics can't match the detail and quality of those plastics from 32 years ago... yet people go mad over them... a bucket of Army Men has better depth of detail than some plastics...
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I bet Wargames Factory has cashed in nicely on the massive 40k player base with these models.
I would agree but also with their British (Praetorian Guard)
You also have to realize for a relatively newer company, it does take a while to iron out the kinks. I see the details increasing with each set and the price point is still very hard to beat.
I only have some of their vikings but they are quite nice.
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The fact is, however you feel about the qualities of the products, that there is a large crowd of followers of WF products on their forum. I guess some people might buy some of their figures since they keep making them… ;)
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The fact is, however you feel about the qualities of the products, that there is a large crowd of followers of WF products on their forum.
You're right there. They have acquired a big following, and I notice that they won the TMP poll for best new figures of the year with their Vikings. Yes, that's right, according to the TMP electorate, WF's vikings are better figures than the Perrys Wars of The Roses and Napoleonic cavalry sets, not to mention all sorts of top quality metal releases.
To me, the WF Vikings are crudely posed, two dimensional and lacking in surface detail. But there's a big group of people out there who clearly think they're the dog's proverbials.
People are strange ;) ::)
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and the majority of todays plastics can't match the detail and quality of those plastics from 32 years ago... yet people go mad over them... a bucket of Army Men has better depth of detail than some plastics...
Once again, that's a matter of opinion, and I respect that's how you feel. Personally, plastic or metal it doesn't matter to me which I end up with, as long as "I feel" they look nice, and are worth the price.
To compare the Wargames Factory models to plastic soldiers from 32 years ago is a bit extreme, and I think that's exaggerating things quite a bit too. I sense extreme sarcasm in your words.
I also think it's counter productive on these, or via any forums for people to jump in on a thread, covering a topic they clearly don't care about, just to jump in and spread some negativity.
You don't like plastic you've made that clear, you also made it clear that don't like Wargames Factory models. The name of this thread clearly states what it's about, Wargames Factory Shock Troop models, which you've admitted to being in the know about enough to have an opinion on them, so other than to jump in and poke at me, what was the purpose of your post?
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I find myself agreeing with WGG here, nobody's forcing anybody to buy or play with particular toys. I would like to think that we are all mature enough to live and let live.
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I find myself agreeing with WGG here, nobody's forcing anybody to buy or play with particular toys. I would like to think that we are all mature enough to live and let live.
Thank you sir. That's my point exactly. I don't really like ACW models, but I don't pop into the those parts of any forum to spread my dislike for the genre.
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To be fair, your review is quite balanced. You point out the shortcomings in sculpting quality vis a vis the fact that they don't cost much. I haven't seen these in the flesh, but from all the pictures I certainly think these look to be a step up from the Vikings. Let's hope they keep improving...
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stop looking for motives Guru, it's a forum, people can post what they like about a topic... including not liking something... it's not all about you...
as for a learning curve on the production, Immortal's plastic Greeks look ok, nice enough detail... the Perry stuff is superb - how TMP voted WF's vikings over anything the Perry's made in plastic is insane... quality plastic can be produced, it has nothing to do with the age of the company or how long they've done plastics...
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stop looking for motives Guru, it's a forum, people can post what they like about a topic... including not liking something... it's not all about you...
as for a learning curve on the production, Immortal's plastic Greeks look ok, nice enough detail... the Perry stuff is superb - how TMP voted WF's vikings over anything the Perry's made in plastic is insane... quality plastic can be produced, it has nothing to do with the age of the company or how long they've done plastics...
Nope it's about you, because you said...
and the majority of todays plastics can't match the detail and quality of those plastics from 32 years ago... yet people go mad over them... a bucket of Army Men has better depth of detail than some plastics...
And now you're saying "quality plastic can be produced"
Then please say what you mean, and mean what you say, because it's getting a little confusing trying to follow just what you're trying to say. It changes from post to post. lol
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what are you on about?
Wargames Factory, Warlord Games, Gripping Beast, Immortal, Victrix and Perry off the top of my head... Perry are top notch dogs danglies in plastic, the rest aren't... degrees of aren't, but aren't... I'd say that's a majority of todays ranges...
and I never said quality plastics can't be produced - some of the stuff from 32 years ago are quality plastics, as is some of todays stuff... you're the one that got it in your head that I'm antiplastic...
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There was I thinking antiplastic was a starter in a fancy pizzeria...:~}
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Thank you for your review my friend.
Personally i don't like the design on the guns and maybe the shoulder boards, but that's my opinion.
Let's all agree that plastic is the future and if we have our issues with the companys, let's contact them sharing with them our ideas and suggestions if we want the future of our hobby to be better.
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There was I thinking antiplastic was a starter in a fancy pizzeria...:~}
Oh, how I dislike that stuff. lol
I like the basic rifles the troops had but otherwise the figures themselves weren't for me. On the note of GW fans going nutty over these things I have evidence of that. A good friend of mine purchased a number of them along with the zombies and Mantic's ghouls too I believe. The shock troopers were planned to be used as guardsmen for his Inquisitorial force, or were they witch-hunters?
Please keep it friendly, you two. I mightn't be a moderator, but it still bothers me to see squabbling over the silly notion of individual opinions. Keep it out of our faces, friends. :)
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Please keep it friendly, you two.
hey... the only thing I commented on was product...
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They are crap, sorry. I am not too keen on plastics in general, but I know GW has some decent plastics (among the hordes of horrid ones), and Perry seem nice, and Warlord makes some ECW ones that I am mildly interested in. But these are simply horrible in my opinion.
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I have the ECW command sprue - ok, not brilliant, the hair in particular is a bit soft on detail, but then it's one of those poncey ringlet type do's that was fashionable so would be tricky to cast I guess...
and by a coincidence I received some bits kindly sent by some Frothers for a project - Perry British Line infantry bodies and WF Numidian arms (as I needed bare arms)...
the Perry are absolutely lovely sculpts and I'm only looking at the bodies/legs :-* - seriously tempted to do Nappy skirmish...
the WF arms - they barely have defined fingers... poopoo of the highest order, but I need bare arms and it's them or Catachan steroid freaks.... >:(
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the WF arms - they barely have defined fingers... poopoo of the highest order, but I need bare arms and it's them or Catachan steroid freaks.... >:(
You can have all of my Catachan arms. I will NEVER have a use for them. :o