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Miniatures Adventure => VSF Adventures => Topic started by: Dewbakuk on 20 October 2010, 09:37:36 AM
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The Victorian period certainly had it's fads and for a short time there was a resurgence of dueling (hobby/honour, unlikely to the death), but doing so while wearing full plate and swinging bastard swords... I want to do the VSF version!
These will be Knights of Malta and will form the bodyguard for a couple of Papal characters I'm doing. I'd like to create something along the lines of this guy from Foundry (never released as far as I can tell).
(http://www.kevindallimore.co.uk/MODELS/VICTORIANA/images/Untitled-5.jpg)(http://www.kevindallimore.co.uk/MODELS/VICTORIANA/images/Untitled-4.jpg)
This image of the Deus Sister shows the pistons on the legs and a different power pack.
(http://www.kevindallimore.co.uk/MODELS/VICTORIANA/images/DEUS%20GIRL1ii.jpg)
The powerpacks/boilers and pistons aren't a problem. Weaponry will probably be sabres and pistols. I'm at a bit of a loss over bodies though. I thought of GW knights but the armoured legs I could find have big puffy trousers. The Perry WotR plastics would only give me about 2 pairs of useable legs per box (although it's a possible). I want about 20 of these guys...
Any suggestions?
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this guy from Foundry (never released as far as I can tell).
(http://www.kevindallimore.co.uk/MODELS/VICTORIANA/images/Untitled-5.jpg)(http://www.kevindallimore.co.uk/MODELS/VICTORIANA/images/Untitled-4.jpg)
Ooohh.......with 2 pics / paint jobs it must have been cast...............................
Sorry to move away from topic!
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The Perry's also do metal men-at-arms in full plate, although they have polearms rather than swords:
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/WR/wr_15.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/WR/wr_14.jpg)
Only two packs though. Still, if you're planning on chopping them up anyway....
The only other thing I could think of was a similar pack from Old Glory, but then you have the usual casting and bizarre anatomy issues with them. Again though, if they are for conversions, they might be worth a look:
(http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/prodimages/WOR/Wor_7.gif)
http://www.oldgloryuk.com/disp_item.php?c=88&oc=1075
Don't know of a better alternative in plastic, sorry.
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Indeed Perry and Foundry immediately jump to mind.
Perhaps the Warmachine Cygnar dudes could also work:
http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units
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Ooohh.......with 2 pics / paint jobs it must have been cast...............................
Sorry to move away from topic!
Indeed but the Kevin Dallimore site is the only place I've ever seen it and my contacts with foundry/ex-foundry types came up blank. Most of them didn't know it existed...
Indeed Perry and Foundry immediately jump to mind.
Perhaps the Warmachine Cygnar dudes could also work:
http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units
Not been able to find anything useful on the Foundry site but I could have been looking in the wrong places. The Cygnar storm knights etc were actually the first thing I looked at but they don't really fit and I just can't handle huge shoulder pads for this set up :)
Jollybob - Cheers, hadn't noticed that first pack, I might be able to work with that. The only reason I'd been looking at plastics is it'd be easier to do the unarmoured sleeves with epaulettes, or at least the right arm anyway. The left is a little more difficult.
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You know they a mechanical falcon with them, right? lol
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De nada. :)
There's also Black Tree (with all the concommittant delivery problrems that entails):
http://www.blacktreedesign.com/uk/product.php?productid=24157&cat=2494&page=1
(http://www.blacktreedesign.com/uk/images/P/hyw1028-01.jpg)
Those are Hundred Years War rather than War of the Roses though, so the armour is different. If the style suits though, again the Perry's probably have some that might actually get to you this decade. ;)
These ones, in fact:
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/ao/ao24.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/ao3.jpg)
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html
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Ok, looks like I'm bored at work today.... lol
I just had a thought about these lads too:
http://www.alternative-armies.com/Retained_Knights.htm
Ion Age Retained Knights from Alternative Armies. A little rough and ready, maybe, but might be a good basis for conversions as they look a little steam-punky already.
(http://www.alternative-armies.com/images/ia001f_1ws.jpg) (http://www.alternative-armies.com/images/ia001r_1ws.jpg)
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Testudo Minatures. C15th European knights.
http://www.g-rava.it/opere/testudo_tannenberg_eng.htm#Cavalieri Polacco-Lituani
Lots of the foot figures have no photos though... ::) The mounted knights are lovely ;D
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Jolly Bob, great find. They work for me, (although its not my project lol)
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Look at Front Rank's WotR. They are bigger than Perry's and have great detail. None of them have bare heads though (some of Mirliton's fantasy humans do). I was looking for something similar but then I decided that 28mm knights were too small so I got some Steamboy power armors (http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j143/pentaro/steambot.jpg) lol
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Ok, looks like I'm bored at work today.... lol
I just had a thought about these lads too:
http://www.alternative-armies.com/Retained_Knights.htm
Ion Age Retained Knights from Alternative Armies. A little rough and ready, maybe, but might be a good basis for conversions as they look a little steam-punky already.
(http://www.alternative-armies.com/images/ia001f_1ws.jpg) (http://www.alternative-armies.com/images/ia001r_1ws.jpg)
I was about to post these guys but then scrolled down, I think they make very good VSF candidates and have a hankering after them myself :D
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The Steamboy armour is perhaps a tad large ;D
Front Rank has some promise though, this pose would be quite easy to cut down to just it's body and legs, although why anyone would choose it normally.....
(http://www.frontrank.com/images/level4/337.jpg)
The Iron Age figure doesn't work for me but it was a good suggestion.
The Testudo figures could be good, but without seeing pics I 'ain't buying.
A mechanical falcon probably wouldn't be that hard ;)
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Front Rank has some promise though, this pose would be quite easy to cut down to just it's body and legs, although why anyone would choose it normally.....
(http://www.frontrank.com/images/level4/337.jpg)
Hello sailor, indeed... lol
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The Steamboy armour is perhaps a tad large
Isn't bigger always better? >:D
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Just a thought you could always go into the 16th century for a bit of Swashbuckling ruffs and tights for the Maltese :) there muust be more opportunities in rennaisance figures
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Ruffs and tights? I think I can manage without :)
Might be worth a look at some conquistador figures though.
For supporting troops I'm going with Pontifical Zouaves, having just discovered their existence!
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A mechanical falcon probably wouldn't be that hard ;)
It might make a nice alternative to a pistol, but depending on the level of tech your thinking of it might be more of a self stabilizing rocket then a sentient machine. Still, it would make quite a inspiring weapon.
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I don't want to be seen as hijacking the initial posts, but I thought that this post from my Blog, which details the construction of some Aeronef Knights of St. John might be new to some posters and add a little variation to the 28mm postings.
The Blog entry says it all so I'm not going to add any more now. See;
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/2009/04/aeronef-knights-of-st-john.html
I keep meaning to get some more Turkish Nefs finished, but 'other' project keep getting in the way!
Tony
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/
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I stumble into VSF land and find you discussing Wars of The Roses figures!
Inconceivable! ;)
lol
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No worries Tony. When I first thought of the idea I popped off to your blog to see if you'd done anything bigger and because I might do a Nef for them.
I stumble into VSF land and find you discussing Wars of The Roses figures!
Inconceivable! ;)
lol
Perhaps but with your extensive knowledge you should be able to contribute :D
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I was thinking once about a troop looking like that:
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/20060609163521.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt196/Comsquare/bighuge_big.jpg)
Pics are taken from a game called "Rise of Nations", I think.
Oh, and Dewbakuk, what about Zombie Cowboys ;)
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Rise of Legends actualy :) It was the follow up game, used the same engine but with a much better setting and troop balance.
I've actualy stolen a couple of things from that game, particularly some of the building concepts and I'd like to make a few of the big mechanical guys.
Zombie cowboys... yeah... Westwind goodies in a pile on my desk... BLAM excuse passed... erm... where's my camera?
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Did you not fancy Menoth as an Inquisistion Army, Dewbakuk? I seem to recall we discussed it for the Atlantis campaign back in the Spring - I think that's what persuaded ushistoryprof to play Menoth as Spain v Khador as Russia in the campaign.
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Not really. Part of the problem is I have a big Menoth army already that I don't want to convert to fit and any Menoth figures I get will fit in that army rather than my VSF stuff. The other thing is I don't want these guys to be an over the top zealot force, they're themed to fit in with a VSF force I've just started working on and are mostly there in an 'advisory' role.
I did consider some of the Menoth knights though with arm and head swaps but the angled armour would make the piston augmentation etc awkward.
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I was about to post these guys but then scrolled down, I think they make very good VSF candidates and have a hankering after them myself :D
I know I am an AA freak, but these aren't actually as rough as you might think. They are beautiful sculpts by Bob Olley.
AA actually do a bits pack, with just the backpacks somewhere, if that's what you're after.
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Not really. Part of the problem is I have a big Menoth army already that I don't want to convert to fit and any Menoth figures I get will fit in that army rather than my VSF stuff. The other thing is I don't want these guys to be an over the top zealot force, they're themed to fit in with a VSF force I've just started working on and are mostly there in an 'advisory' role.
I did consider some of the Menoth knights though with arm and head swaps but the angled armour would make the piston augmentation etc awkward.
Dew, what of the Cygnar line? I think the Sword Knights or the Long Gunners would work well. The Rifleman form the IKRPG line would work real well. :-)
Grimm
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As stated earlier ::) Cygnar was the first range I looked at. I haven't totally discounted the Sword Knights but I'm wanting to avoid tabards etc.
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As stated earlier ::) Cygnar was the first range I looked at. I haven't totally discounted the Sword Knights but I'm wanting to avoid tabards etc.
Ah ha, as i was typing my above response i was thinking to myself did he already mention Cygnar. It was too obvious. I went back real quick to look and missed the earlier comment.
OK though Sword Knights are out. What of the other stuff? What about the Long Gunners? Or the IKRPG Rifleman i mentioned? :-)
Grimm
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Nothing to add old chap but a cracking idea for a project! It's a good job I've spent all my florins on tripods or I'd be tempted.
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Long gunners don't have enough armour. I considerd the assorted storm knight types but they have an awful lot of quilting etc and are possibly a bit big.
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Personally I was looking at the Precursor Knights. You'd have to replace the mace with a sword (or maybe not because the mace is very kewl) and their heads seem in keeping with what you want and also can be easily replaced. The shield hand would be where I put the pistol.
But as you say, most likely the major obstacle with Warmachine is that the figures are almost certainly very large, though I don't know that for sure. I've always liked the Warmachine minis but could never figure out what to do with them... o_o
Wish you good luck on the project (it's a great idea) and am looking forward to what you come up with.
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Nothing to add old chap but a cracking idea for a project! It's a good job I've spent all my florins on tripods or I'd be tempted.
I have to agree. I recently read a book about the Knights of Malta and the Turkish Seige and I think that this a perfect idea for a VSF army. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.