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Title: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Hammers on 29 November 2010, 12:23:29 PM

(http://shop.warlordgames.co.uk/ekmps/shops/warlord/images/wgp-tyw-01-gustavus-iso.jpg)

(http://shop.warlordgames.co.uk/ekmps/shops/warlord/images/wgp-tyw-02-wallenstein-iso.jpg)

Right nice, I think!
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Captain Blood on 29 November 2010, 12:35:37 PM
I rather like the figures - bundles of character. Not so keen on the horses to be honest, especially Gustavas Adolphus' mount, which only vaguely resembles a horse at the front end. Supremely ambitious pose and concept, but I fear the sculptor hasn't quite pulled it off in the execution...  :?
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 29 November 2010, 01:48:19 PM
Yes, the first one looks rather like a raptor, but as you said, top marks for trying a differnet pose  8)

I like the jowls and bags on Wallenstein  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Arthur on 29 November 2010, 03:06:59 PM
Gustavus' horse definitely looks odd : the head angle seems wrong in relation to the neck. The Wallenstein figure is much better IMHO. There's a side view of him on the Warlord site and the horse looks okay - although I agree with our good captain that horse anatomy is a perennial problem with the Warlord C17th generals.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Hammers on 29 November 2010, 03:14:47 PM
- although I agree with our good captain that horse anatomy are a perennial problem with the Warlord C17th generals.

It doesn't stop there. There are not many that sculpt good horses. Perrys (which also means GW LotR) and Ebob do.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Mancha on 29 November 2010, 03:38:04 PM
As an aside, it always seems strange to me when a company credits the painter, but ignores the sculptor.  I never look at a mini and wonder who painted it; rather, my first thought is always "I wonder who sculpted that?"
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Yankeepedlar01 on 29 November 2010, 04:17:57 PM
It doesn't stop there. There are not many that sculpt good horses. Perrys (which also means GW LotR) and Ebob do.

Agree about Ebob horses, not so sure about the Perrys though, often on the small side it seems to me. Also, they have a limited range of horse poses it seems to me.
David
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Captain Blood on 29 November 2010, 04:34:37 PM
Must admit, I do like painting Perry horses, especially the newer stuff. Very 'cleanly drawn'. Although of course it's all a matter of taste.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: dodge on 29 November 2010, 04:36:43 PM
I like them

Gustav will look a bit silly at the head of an army with an out of control horse though  :D

Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Mancha on 29 November 2010, 04:56:03 PM
Gustav will look a bit silly at the head of an army with an out of control horse though  :D

He'll look great at the head of a cavalry charge though.  :)
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Hammers on 29 November 2010, 05:02:14 PM
I like them

Gustav will look a bit silly at the head of an army with an out of control horse though  :D



A bit of trivia: GIIA's horse was named Streiff and a lot of Swedish boys and girls know this because his stuffed remains are on display in (http://Kungliga Livrustkammaren) in Stockholm (Royal Amroury).

I am not sure that's how I want to spend eternity, starring fixedly at a wall, myself all stuffed with shredded newspaper.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Phil Robinson on 29 November 2010, 05:50:04 PM
He'll look great at the head of a cavalry charge though.  :)

I would think that is the point.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: dodge on 30 November 2010, 09:22:39 AM
I would think that is the point.

was only joking  :'(

Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Tym on 01 December 2010, 01:13:48 PM
Did a quick search on Google to find a horse with the same head position
could only come up with one. 
Horse being unloaded at a dock.  Head appears to be in that position because some men are pulling it.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/3365460.jpg%3Fv%3D1%26c%3DIWSAsset%26k%3D2%26d%3D45B0EB3381F7834DC3C3E0F4AD3400C7F9C4AF33ED242BF5207CAAE8C4C94190&imgrefurl=http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3365460/Hulton-Archive&usg=__0U6eUNK_wW0NK-PNb7HAvlAvgTM=&h=594&w=473&sz=50&hl=en&start=11&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=BBBhCj_M2_KAJM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=108&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhorse%2Blanding%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1I7DMUK_en-GB%26tbs%3Disch:1
Saw figures in the flesh at the weekend and the usual problem of them being smaller than there own plastics
I like the idea of something different but I will stick to TAG
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Phil Robinson on 01 December 2010, 01:22:09 PM
was only joking  :'(



Oops! didn't word that very well did I.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: dodge on 01 December 2010, 07:44:31 PM
Oops! didn't word that very well did I.

I've been inconsolable for 2 whole days  ;)

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Blackwolf on 01 December 2010, 10:16:00 PM
I like them,horses not too bad,but why are they hatless?
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Phil Robinson on 01 December 2010, 11:09:58 PM
I like them,horses not too bad,but why are they hatless?

Do horses wear hats? ;)
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Arthur on 01 December 2010, 11:59:29 PM
Saw figures in the flesh at the weekend and the usual problem of them being smaller than there own plastics
I like the idea of something different but I will stick to TAG

I imagine the Wallenstein figure would not look too out of place at the head of a TAG army. TAG is also my default manufacturer for all things Imperial and TYW-ish, although I may look somewhere else for cuirassiers as I'm not overly fond of the TAG heavies : they're about the only Nick Collier sculpts that somehow don't work for me, which is odd as I positively love the TAG TYW range. I was thinking of using the Bicorne cuirassiers instead, although they may be a tad larger than the TAG cavalry.

I'll most certainly invest in the Warlord Wallenstein figure, even though in real life the man almost certainly wore a back and breast over a buff coat rather than the full 3/4 armour 17th century painters traditionally depicted military commanders in.  
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: cdr on 04 December 2010, 04:44:41 PM
They are also showing Johan t'Serclaes Count Tilly  currently (probably the best Belgian general ever  ;))

Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Arthur on 04 December 2010, 05:04:34 PM
And there he is :

(http://www.warlordgames.co.uk/neo/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/WGP-TYW-03_Tilly_iso.jpg)

Not available yet, but release is apparently imminent.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Captain Blood on 04 December 2010, 05:58:14 PM
Again, a really nice, characterful figure.

Just not convinced by the horse  :(
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on 04 December 2010, 06:44:25 PM
agree, the mount looks odd...moody..
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: mweaver on 04 December 2010, 10:13:33 PM
I like all three of the characters, but the horses do look both small and not quite right to me.  If horses and riders are completely separate, that might work out.
Title: Re: Wallenstein and Gustav II Adolf from Warlords!
Post by: Blackwolf on 04 December 2010, 11:37:23 PM
Do horses wear hats? ;)

 O course,of course,if that horse happens to be a talking horse,the wonderful Mr Ed.........