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Miniatures Adventure => Old West => Topic started by: nervisfr on December 02, 2010, 11:38:29 AM
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well, just found this on the web : From the Cohen brothers !
http://www.truegritmovie.com/intl/uk/ (http://www.truegritmovie.com/intl/uk/)
the same story but without John Wayne.........does it's look as great as the original ?
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Well, I like Jeff Bridges, and the story suits the Coens perfectly. I was quite excited about this for a minute, until I realised that they could have made a completely new film for the same price. We have too many remakes already.
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I must admit I am now completely fed up with all the remakes, surely they could have done and original movie.
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I saw the trailer last night at the cinema. I must say I was originally very, very concerned about the remake as the original is such an iconic western and how to do you replace John Wayne?
The new film apparently stays more faithful to the book and does look quite promising, so I will definitely go and see it. Its not often you get a decent Western made in this day and age :)
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Looks quite cool, and I really like the Coen Brothers.
But...
I have remake fatigue. I'm not helping to pay for any more remakes on principle from now on. My cash is only going to people who are doing more than just rehashing old stuff. Not interested, sorry.
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I must admit I am now completely fed up with all the remakes, surely they could have done and original movie.
Yes, but I adore the Coen brothers as they most often gets it done just so.
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To be honest, Oh brother where art thou was also a remake ... :)
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I saw the trailer last night at the cinema. I must say I was originally very, very concerned about the remake as the original is such an iconic western and how to do you replace John Wayne?
The new film apparently stays more faithful to the book and does look quite promising, so I will definitely go and see it. Its not often you get a decent Western made in this day and age :)
Yes, I'd heard that too 8)
I've been looking forward to this one since I first heard they were making it.
The Coen brothers films are usually great on so many levels:
O Brother Where Art Thou :-*
The Big Lubowski :-* (also with Jeff Bridges)
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Also not a fan of remakes and I would usually laugh at any attempt to remake a good John Wayne movie but...this looks fantastic!
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yieha and its with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM
Honestly ...
Iam looking forward to see this movie. Thats because I love the Dude more than the Duke !
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Can't wait for what will be another fantastic Cohen movie.
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...Thats because I love the Dude more than the Duke !
HERETIC!
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As already stated why a remake? And one of Duke's finest at that! >:(
Oh well, at least its a new western and if a money spinner maybe it'll set off the usual 'follow my leader' trend that seems to dominate in Hollywood!
2011 - year of the westerns anyone? lol
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As already stated why a remake? And one of Duke's finest at that! >:(
Oh well, at least its a new western and if a money spinner maybe it'll set off the usual 'follow my leader' trend that seems to dominate in Hollywood!
2011 - year of the westerns anyone? lol
Original well made westerns, yes. Well crafted, slightly new slant re-makes, maybe.... Rehash with nothing to make it different enough to make you enjoy the story, No.
Garcias,
Glenn
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even the cohen have no more imagination for do better than a remake.........?
Strange. :'(
by now, Hollywood is a big nest of lazy writers. Let's go to plunder what was done in the last century and let's make it revival with this material. Easy and cheap to make big money...... :?
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That is really a problem nervisfr. But I think its not that bad with a 40 years old movie. That happened before with movies from the 20`s filmed new in the 30`s , 40`s or 50`s
I think what is more disturbing that Hollywood makes remakes from successful and brilliant European films. I don t get the point why a good movie should be better or different when its filmed new. Probably it is more American and sells better.
Anyway... I am looking forward to True Grit. It can t be worth than Stagecoach with Cash, Nelson and Waylon Jennings ;)
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There's no bigger Cohen Brothers fan than me, but their remake of "The Ladykillers" was not very good and it added nothing to the original.
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oh, for Ladykillers, it's a good movie with an excellent Tom hanks, very well directed by the Cohen brother. lol
but, like most remake, not comparaison with the original.... :'(
so for True Grit, i think it'll be a good western if you don't related to the original one.
Anyway, most of spectators (less than 30 years old) don't know the john wayne version.... lol
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I don't know, I love both versions of "The Ladykillers" but they are so different I don't even consider the second one a remake. I'm expecting the same from True Grit. Maybe it can redeem Jeff Bridges for that horrible King Kong remake in the 1970s. ;)
When I told my wife (a huge fan of westerns and John Wayne) about this last night she was sure it would be horrible...until she watched a couple of trailers. Now I think she is as excited to see it as I am.
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I was leery when I heard this was on the way, but given the cast & directors (and the idea that it's hewing a bit more closely to the book rather than the first film) I'm looking forward to it.
Hollywood's problem isn't lazy writers, it's fearful studio executives. These days, about 75-80% of a movie's total lifetime revenue has to happen in the first three weeks it's in the theaters - and more than half of that has to happen on the first weekend. They refuse to make, distribute and promote a film that isn't easily marketable to most of the movie-going public. Mostly, the studios want "product", and they want something that's pretty much the same as the last thing that made mega-bucks, only "a little better".
But only a very little bit different, because different is risky, and they're spending millions of someone else's dollars...
Sad but true. With the economy shaky, they're all afraid of ending up like MGM, with major projects and properties sitting on a shelf because their creditors called in all the notes early and sent them to bankruptcy court. (MGM's sitting on the finished-but-might-never-be-released "Red Dawn" remake, and the "might-never-be-made" newest James Bond film, title and shooting date entirely uncertain...)
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even the cohen have no more imagination for do better than a remake.........?
Strange. :'(
by now, Hollywood is a big nest of lazy writers. Let's go to plunder what was done in the last century and let's make it revival with this material. Easy and cheap to make big money...... :?
Money is what it is all about now days.
Gracias,
Glenn
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oh, for Ladykillers, it's a good movie with an excellent Tom hanks, very well directed by the Cohen brother. lol
Come on Nervisfr - 'excellent Tom Hanks', the only actor ever to be out acted by a basketball! lol
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I see it as being not so much a remake of the John Wayne movie, but a movie that follows the book, so I'm interested in seeing it. Cast is great too. I suppose, when you think about it, that a film version of a book is also a 'remake' of sorts, but we don't usually (I say 'usually') have any problem with them. The obvious exception, of course, is the movie version of Cormac McCarthy's All the Pretty Horses. Brilliant book, bloody awful movie 'remake'.
But anyway, I think this one's going to be great.
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Come on Nervisfr - 'excellent Tom Hanks', the only actor ever to be out acted by a basketball! lol
Some actors have the advantage of having a part written specifically for them...
SteveN
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I think the new version is a very enjoyable movie. Jeff Bridges gargles his way through the movie brilliantly. lol
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I saw the new True Grit last week and I thought that it was very good. I don't remember the John Wayne version all that well (I think I saw it upon its original release and never since). The little girl's performance is absolutely fantastic.
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Don't care about the remake debate. On their day the Cohen brothers are the best directors on the planet, period. Jeff Bridges is a superb actor, and this is a great story. So it bodes well. Definetly going to see it.
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Don't care about the remake debate. On their day the Cohen brothers are the best directors on the planet, period. Jeff Bridges is a superb actor, and this is a great story. So it bodes well. Definetly going to see it.
If that's your opinion you won't be disappointed. I hold the Coens to be among the best to and Jeff Bridges let lose to do his best is a real treat.
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I saw True Grit and it was awesome!
Now I have to see the original...
And it's the COEN brothers...no H ;)
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Saw it last week, loved it. Gotta support the 'local heroes" (Coen Bros grew up in the other end of the Minneapolis suburb in which I have resided for 20+ years)
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Come on Nervisfr - 'excellent Tom Hanks', the only actor ever to be out acted by a basketball! lol
Actually I believe it was a volleyball...
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Saw it yesterday and can't say I was too impressed - I just didn't get the western feel from watching it.
I have not seen the original, I am a Coen fan (perhaps in decline as their ratio of good vs bad movies start to even out).
I found this to be a "OK" movie, would rate it as a 6, 7top even for a Coen movie.
As a Coen movie it dangles somewhere around their middle work like Arizona Junior, Hudsucker Proxy, O brother where are thou and Burn after reading. It is not close to the excellent movies like Big Lebowski, Millers Crossing, The man who wasn't there, No country for old men and Fargo.
At least it was better than A serious man which I didn't "get" because of my lack of all the exclusively Jewish jokes (the beginning was really good though and I wish that the movie would be about the guy coming back from the dead instead).
I also think it is lazy to make remakes upon remakes.
As a western it simply didn't work for me, Jeff Bridges just plays a generic southern drunk which we have seen portrayed a hundred times already, the little girl is obnoxious, the main villain which we don't get to see until the end of the movie is simply uninteresting and we don't know anything about him. Then suddenly Barry Pepper becomes the villain in the last 10 minutes of the movie? What? With a weird and unsuspenseful shootout that is forgettable.
The whole 3rd act is in fact rushed and sloppy, as the movie is slowly building up towards something the payoff is very meager.
The settings and directing were not especially good either, just felt very poor on western settings, people, feel and atmosphere. Matt Damon was surprisingly good though and I think he came off as the only interesting character in the entire movie.
The more I think about it the more I feel that the movie didn't work because there was no sense of danger to any of the characters really, no suspense in any of the "action" scenes, the girl got her way throughout the movie outmaneuvering everyone with her wit and even when she got into "danger" the situation quickly leveled out.
Not a western I will buy once it's released on DVD. :?
Of the 3 "Oscar contender" movies I've seen so far (Black Swan, Social Network, True Grit) this was the most disappointing and surprisingly enough the Social Network which I thought would suck is a far superior movie in terms of characters, writing, pace and even directing. The Coens could do so much better if only they weren't lazy making remakes.
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The original True Grit is on TV right now and from the scenes Ive seen so far. It looks like theyve changed almost nothing.
Someone at work said that the original True Grit is just another remake of the River Queen. I dont know if thats true or not.
Oh and my apostrophe button isnt working see --- È
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Pls pls pls...just don t watch it if you don t like remakes, don t like westerns or think the Coen Bros are on a downfall but stop spoiling the movie and I dont wanna know that they didn t change anything or who became the surprise villain in the final 10 minutes...because I haven t seen it yet ! :)
Thank you !
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I don't care who's in it, only that Glen Campbell's not :D
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Saw it Friday and I loved it. ( and I am a big John Wayne fan). Visually stunning, great acting, very faithful to the book, more so than Wayne's version. We don' t see enough westerns made anymore, so thank you to the Coen bros. :)
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I also loved it my only criticism is maybe the pace was a bit slow at times. Matt Damon as a cowboy was also a very pleasant suprise.
I also must echo the demand for more cowboy films andCowboys and Aliens does not count
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Well I suppose Matt Damon as a cowboy is a lot easier to buy than Matt Damon as Francois flippin' Pienaar...
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I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with the naysayers on this topic, saw this on Friday and absolutely loved it! It's based on the book it's not a direct remake, the narrative is slightly different from the "original"(more in keeping with book), the music is fantastic based on traditional hymns. The cinematography is brilliant, certainly feels like a western.
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Thank you Somnambulist !
I think sometimes the people get obsessed with The Dukes only Oscar rewarded movie.
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i saw it yesterday and i really liked it.
When I was a kid I was a big fan of western and I think I have seen almost all wayne's movies, and I din't get the feeling to be watching a standard remake from True grit (Valor de Ley in spanish).
But in the other side I don't think it's a better film than "Unforgiven" as i read in some media.
I agree damon (an actor i usually dislike) works really fine on his role.
If the film looks like a western or not is a different discussion, to me it looks like, but i know people saying films like Unforgiven, Pale Rider, Deadman or series like Deadwood aren't really westerns.
I don't know if deserves 10 oscar, I really don't pay attention to Oscars to evaluate a film's quality.
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Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it. Would be very surprised if it was a contender for the main Oscar prizes though (Social Network and The Kings Speech are better movies). Five fine performances: Cogburn, the girl, Matt Damon (excellent), the main baddy in the sheepskin chaps (would have liked a lot more of him, he really looked and acted the part) and the cotton trader at the start. Some of Anatoli's criticism resonate with me. The pay off was too short, and therefore missed an opportunity to buld tension, as hence the baddies didnt really get going (especially Josh Brolin). 4 out of 5 for me, definitely worth seeing.
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Don't care about the remake debate. On their day the Cohen brothers are the best directors on the planet, period. Jeff Bridges is a superb actor, and this is a great story. So it bodes well. Definetly going to see it.
Ignatief is right on the button there.
My wife arranged (without me knowing) for us to go and see it as one of my Valentine's treats yesterday. I thought it was superb. As one of you guys said, it's forty years since the last version.
Bridges is one of those actors who's matured into himself, and is now able to handle this sort of role with ease. I don't go crazy for every Coen brothers film, but their best are brilliant, and I wasn't disappointed. Great story, great film, great western. If you haven't seen it - do.
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Just saw it. Very, very good movie but I had a hard time understanding the Marshall and the Ranger. They slurred way too much. Should have had subtitles.
Also, the Victorian-American speech was a bit over the top.
I wish they had spent some more time on Lucky Ned because he was a surprisingly interesting character.
Other than that, magnificent movie.
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I wish they had spent some more time on Lucky Ned because he was a surprisingly interesting character.
Agree
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Well I saw it Saturday...and had I been paying attention when I got home would have taken the time to watch the John Wayne version on Film 4...lol...I found it just as it was finishing... (as a kid/teenager I loved his films and this one along with the other titled Rooster Cogburn with Katherine Hepburn were favorites).
I dont think comparisons should be made between the 2 versions - both IMO suit the time they were made and illustrate how film making has changed and in some instances hasn't.
The dialogue = yes it was extremely hard to understand at times but IMO authentic.
The strength and character of the young girl - was perfect - illustrating how quickly children of the day had to grow up.
The landscape at a time when America was still being discovered - vast/bleak and empty and not seeing a soul for days = was spot on.
The bear on the horse episode was inspired and totally believable.
The animosity between the Texas Rangers / US Marshals -extremely funny and demonstrated how little has changed even today between agencies.
The great Sharps and Henry debate gave me a wry smile (amended... my error leadfool thanks)
A sense of deja vu with some of the scenes - reminding me of the PS3 title Red Dead Redemption
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I saw it and enjoyed it. It almost makes up for the 2 hours of time wasted watching that drek, No Country for old men.
I had no problem following the dialogue, I actually was the only one in the theatre laughing at some of it. then again I am old.
I missed the rifle debate. But the texas ranger had a Sharps carbine, likely in 45-70. The character of the pursuit, the man with many names, with the burn mark on his face, had a Henry rifle. not a Martini-Henry. The Henry was from 1861-65 in 44 rimfire, and was made by the Wincester company. The Martini-Henry was a single shot British rifle, that shot a large cartridge. The Henry shot a pistol cartridge, but held a bunch of em.
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Agree
The brilliant Barry Pepper (played the sniper in Private Ryan) as Lucky Ned Pepper was excellent. Like his predecessor Robert Duval he seems to be developing the knack of appearing in a film for 15 minutes and nicking it from under the noses of the leads.
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The brilliant Barry Pepper (played the sniper in Private Ryan) as Lucky Ned Pepper was excellent. Like his predecessor Robert Duval he seems to be developing the knack of appearing in a film for 15 minutes and nicking it from under the noses of the leads.
That's bold talk for a one eyed fat man! :D
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Fill your hand you son of a bitch! lol
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"We'll sleep here and follow in the morning."
"But we promised to bury the poor soul inside!"
"Ground's too hard. Them men wanted a decent burial, they should have got themselves killed in summer. "
That's LAF talk... :)
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Here's something REALLY frightning on the remake front!
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=30256 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=30256)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I think Hollywood is finally about to implode!